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Title: Gaming computer build
Post by: Cane on November 29, 2012, 04:18:34 am
Hey Argo, I'm currently trying to build a decent gaming computer under a tight budget. I wasn't really sure if this was the right board to post this, but here goes.

Also, I'm not entirely sure if you consider this as advertising, as I'm posting multiple links to a different site... I apologize if it's a violation of the rules.

This is my current list of items - can y'all take a look at these and see if it's a good build? I could use all the tips I can get. Thanks guys.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146070 - Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339) - HDD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128521 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128521) - Mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320040 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320040) - Wireless Adapter
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130838 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130838) - GPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020) - PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231455 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231455) - RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103962 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103962) - Processor
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Darxez on November 29, 2012, 06:06:06 am
I wish to add something important. Either a good air cooling system, either a water cooling system. Reason why: That CPU get's high temperatures, and the fact it is a AMD, which means they got a good boost speed. But to boost them properly (I advice you to not go higher then 0.5ghz though), you need good cooling.

Either way, there is a 2GB version of that Graphic Card, which is better. Try getting it, it is 60$ more expensive but it is worth the money.
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Nightstorm on November 29, 2012, 06:53:57 am
199$ for that processor?
The same processor from Intel and the price should raise a lot.
Well yes,,as the post says, cooling is very required.
But a question to you mark.
Is it possible to add a water cooling system to a laptop?
Ive got the feeling that my cooling system now isnt even good enough for my 2.0 ghz dual prozessor...
And I drfinetly need a better processor as well.
Anyways good luck with building it up, your list looks good.
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Darxez on November 29, 2012, 07:24:16 pm
No, you can't. There are external coolers on the market, those go under your laptop. They also provide extra USB ports sometimes then. And adding another CPU is possible, but. I don't advice it if this one already gets hot.
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Cane on November 29, 2012, 09:22:51 pm
As I said earlier, I'm on a very tight budget. I plan to not exceed over $750 (I'm currently at about $725 with tax and shipping). From what I hear, AMD's stock coolers for their CPUs are alright. I plan to keep it stock, at least until I can afford to buy a new cooler. Also, the GTX 650 Ti is good as it is now; I really don't think getting a 2GB version is worth it for the price. And with Intel, if I were to replace the processor with Intel, I would have to replace the motherboard as well. Intel is just too expensive, compared to the AMD...
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Gandalf on November 29, 2012, 09:37:27 pm
For a gaming computer you must give most attention to the components you wil need the most.
CPU - middle importance. Do not go for th high-end but stay at the top of a mid-range
HDD - choose speed above volume, the faster the data is presented the lower your FPS
RAM - as much as you can afford, RAM is faster than any HDD so the more you have the better your experience (provided you play games that support new standards)
GPU - the best you can afford. A faster graphics card will take away load from CPU and RAM

Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Darxez on November 29, 2012, 09:48:21 pm
There is no real big difference (cut the fanboy crap which is going to start under me) between AMD and Intel, I've got a AMD computer myself and I haven't got any issue. AMD had the last period a shit period with his market status and their products, right now, they're getting better then Intel with their 6 cores while intel (except the Xeon series, which are expensive) still has 4 even with their latest generation I7 (overpriced, can get a same CPU at AMD for 100$ less). So no.

Anyway, you can do the cooler later indeed.
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Gandalf on November 29, 2012, 09:57:55 pm
Better get a new CPU and do not overclock or boost it. You can do that later on to upgrade once you wish more speed. Any stock cooler is ready for whatever heat the standard specs will create, so as long as you stay away from boosting you are ok.
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Darxez on November 29, 2012, 10:02:30 pm
Depends Gandalf, some AMDs are good overloadable without breaking them down or getting to hot, I always had AMD, sometimes Intel. My Intel I5 in my Macbook (use it for school/scripting only) actually gets hotter then my AMD in my Touchsmart, where my AMD is 0.3ghz (before my HDD got deleted totally) overclocked and I didn't add any new fans (the HDD and RAM are broken though, blame Dixons in Hellevoetsluis).
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Leon. on November 29, 2012, 10:06:41 pm
if you're crazy, go for this processor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103961 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103961)
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Cyril on November 29, 2012, 10:06:58 pm
Quote from: Gandalf on November 29, 2012, 09:37:27 pm
For a gaming computer you must give most attention to the components you wil need the most.
CPU - middle importance. Do not go for th high-end but stay at the top of a mid-range
GPU - the best you can afford. A faster graphics card will take away load from CPU and RAM

Depends, some games are "CPU hungry" (cf: PlanetSide 2), you can have a beast Graphic Card, if your CPU can't follow, you'll be CPU limited and therefore your GPU will be completly useless.
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Gandalf on November 29, 2012, 10:16:36 pm
Quote from: markab99 on November 29, 2012, 10:02:30 pm
Depends Gandalf, some AMDs are good overloadable without breaking them down or getting to hot, I always had AMD, sometimes Intel. My Intel I5 in my Macbook (use it for school/scripting only) actually gets hotter then my AMD in my Touchsmart, where my AMD is 0.3ghz (before my HDD got deleted totally) overclocked and I didn't add any new fans (the HDD and RAM are broken though, blame Dixons in Hellevoetsluis).
I have been taught something about electronics engineering and people a long time ago, which is certainly valid for CPU.

If you are running at top speed or even running at all, you will last for only a small time until you get tired and will have to stop. On the other hand if you are walking you may not reach a short distance as fast, but on the other hand over time you will be able to cover much more distance.

Similar in electronics by letting something run at 80% the expected lifetime increases exponential. Now if you feel you have enough money to let it run limited time and replace then its no problem to do so. On the other hand if your budget is limited it might be very useful to keep it within the standard limits.
Current processors can easily last 5 years or more and outlast multiple coolers...providing they are not stressed to their limits.
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Cane on November 30, 2012, 04:18:17 am
Quote from: Cephalectomy on November 29, 2012, 10:06:41 pm
if you're crazy, go for this processor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103961 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103961)

Haha, I may be crazy, but I'm not insane!

So what do you suggest, Gandalf? Should I keep the current GPU on the list or replace the CPU? If I need to spend more money, I might try to look for a 500 GB HDD with the same speed...
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Darxez on November 30, 2012, 06:04:32 am
Keep the GPU and the CPU. Buying a 8 core processor (add a extra cooler, those get really hot and the stock cooler isn't enough --> AMD themself) within your budget it quite limited, because you'll have to take te GPU with you then, because it would be underrated towards the CPU.. The 8 core is a AM3+, means it would work with your Mobo.

Try getting a other 6 core. Those are good and they've got a general performance, the difference between the 8 and 6 is 15%, which ain't that big for the price difference between both.

Update it later if you are really in need to the 8. The specs you got there are already better then a average computer, and as Gandalf said, it's better to have everything in the mid range.

And a 1TB harddisk has no sense. Either you download/rip so much DVD's or instal that much games... But, a 500GB would do fine probably. Maybe you should consider a SSD.
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Nightstorm on November 30, 2012, 07:02:44 am
Quote from: markab99 on November 29, 2012, 07:24:16 pm
No, you can't. There are external coolers on the market, those go under your laptop. They also provide extra USB ports sometimes then. And adding another CPU is possible, but. I don't advice it if this one already gets hot.
Well, guess Ill have to get a new laptop or quite a better air cooling system.
I didnt wanna add a processor, just put the old one in the rubbish bin...
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Matt Murdock on November 30, 2012, 07:56:55 pm
Quote from: markab99 on November 29, 2012, 09:48:21 pm
There is no real big difference (cut the fanboy crap which is going to start under me) between AMD and Intel, I've got a AMD computer myself and I haven't got any issue. AMD had the last period a shit period with his market status and their products, right now, they're getting better then Intel with their 6 cores while intel (except the Xeon series, which are expensive) still has 4 even with their latest generation I7 (overpriced, can get a same CPU at AMD for 100$ less). So no.

Anyway, you can do the cooler later indeed.
*yawn*

I suggest you take a good look at Gandalf's post Cane, he explained it all.

If you want to create a gaming pc, go for the one which has more graphic memory, as in 2GB instead of 1GB, as games like GTA 4 require more memory than a better processor. Also GT650M is the cheapest kepler in the market. And that extra 1GB, does make a huge difference, consider getting a 2GB DDR3 NVIDIA GT650M, since GDDR5 version makes very unnoticeable difference.

I have the GT650M DDR3 one in my laptop, and I'm yet to find a program which it can't run or lags on it. ;)
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: kun4L on November 30, 2012, 09:24:37 pm
This is very nice topic. :D
By the way i am using AMD since past 4 years now.. "Its a AMD Athlon 7850 With 4Gb ddr2 ram and Saphire HD 6670 1GB ddr5"
As per my side i got high quality graphics in Bf3, Crysis 1-2 Also other heavy games except 1 "Planet Side 2" the issue only rise up when there are lot of people present in a battle if im in low crowded area or alone i can kick my graphics to Medium (Good) and High quality (Ok performance) But i play on low and stay out of crowd but as per the reviews its due to low CPU not graphics..
NOTE : my main HDD in which games were installed is old ide but still overall the PC performs well i keep it off only for 6-7hr (+ Indian weather) :D

Hope my info. helps.. And im trying to upgrade to a QuadCore CPU soon.. I would suggest you the same if you can fit in your budget it will be really great..
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Cane on November 30, 2012, 10:11:16 pm
Quote from: markab99 on November 30, 2012, 06:04:32 am
Keep the GPU and the CPU. Buying a 8 core processor (add a extra cooler, those get really hot and the stock cooler isn't enough --> AMD themself) within your budget it quite limited, because you'll have to take te GPU with you then, because it would be underrated towards the CPU.. The 8 core is a AM3+, means it would work with your Mobo.

Try getting a other 6 core. Those are good and they've got a general performance, the difference between the 8 and 6 is 15%, which ain't that big for the price difference between both.

Update it later if you are really in need to the 8. The specs you got there are already better then a average computer, and as Gandalf said, it's better to have everything in the mid range.

And a 1TB harddisk has no sense. Either you download/rip so much DVD's or instal that much games... But, a 500GB would do fine probably. Maybe you should consider a SSD.

Perhaps the FX-6300 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113286)? Also, I decided to up the GPU with this[/ur] - it's pretty much the same thing as the one before, but it has 2 GB of video memory.

I chose the 1TB HDD because there is very little price difference between the 500GB model from Western Digital (my go-to brand for HDDs). More memory, more fun. I considered getting an SSD, but my current budget doesn't allow me to get one. I can't even afford to buy myself a new monitor, so... I'll get it when I have enough money to, though. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130841)
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Darxez on December 01, 2012, 08:01:47 am
All 2 is fine, get it checked if your PSU has enough power (that graphic card uses a shitload of power..).

Never get a SSD alone, you won't have enough space. Only set main files like windows on a SSD, the rest on the HDD. So, get both. SSD is a good update for later on.
Title: Re: Gaming computer build
Post by: Batta on December 01, 2012, 01:02:11 pm
Getting esacore+ processor is just useless if you want to have a gaming computer within a certain budget.

A quadcore can handle everything perfectly (I suggest Intel..).

Concentrate on the GPU and RAM (which is quite cheap).
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