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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Reece on January 05, 2013, 11:41:06 pm
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A gunman who barricaded himself inside a townhouse after killing three people in the home was shot to death by police on Saturday in Aurora, Colorado, the same Denver suburb where 12 people were slain in a movie house massacre last July, police said.
But the motive for the killings was not immediately understood.
We're trying to find out what set this guy off," she told Reuters.
A hostage-negotiation team called to the scene had sought to talk the suspect into surrendering for about five hours before police moved to shoot tear gas into the home at about 8:00 a.m. (10:00 a.m. EST/1500 GMT), prompting the gunman to open fire on officers from inside, police said.
About an hour later, the gunman began firing at police again from a second-floor window, and police returned fire, killing the suspect, according to a police statement following the incident. No police were wounded.
Officers entering the townhouse found the bodies of the gunman and three other people - two men and a woman - who were presumed to have been shot hours earlier before police were called to the scene.
"None of the officers heard gunshots until they were directed at us at about 8 o'clock," Carlson said. The woman who escaped the home also told police the victims were shot before she fled.
The names of the gunman and his three victims were being withheld until the coroner could confirm their identities and notify next of kin, authorities said.
The episode kept residents in much of the surrounding community awake overnight, as police notified neighbors of an emergency situation and evacuated several adjacent blocks.
One neighbor, Sunil Pawar, 59, said he received a reverse 911 call advising him to stay inside and away from windows before police later showed up to ring doorbells and escort residents of the townhouse development to safety.
Pawar said he opted to stay put, later hearing gunshots, followed by the voices of police calling to the gunman though a bullhorn, saying, "Sonny, we want to talk to you, pick up the phone, Sonny."
Another neighbor, Michael Ignace, 46, said he had previously spoken with the man suspected of the shooting, and "he seemed like a reasonable guy, and we talked about motorcycles."
The standoff and shooting unfolded just a few miles south of the Aurora movie theater where 12 people were killed and 58 others wounded when a lone gunman opened fire there in July during a midnight showing of the Batman film, "The Dark Knight Rises."
The suspect in that rampage, former college student James Holmes, is due back in court on Monday for a hearing in which prosecutors will seek to convince a judge they have sufficient evidence to put him on trial.
The Colorado movie theater killings had ranked as deadliest mass shooting in the United States last year until a December 14 massacre at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, where a gunman shot 20 school children and six adults to death before taking his own life. The shooter in that case also had killed his mother at their home.
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You need more guns America? -.-
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Aurora again? The authorities learned nothing since the last attack it seems.
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Well I guess as long as the Second Amendment is left untouched, this can and will continue.
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Sounds like America never learns.
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Blaming a country for a couple sick people going on rampages every few months is a joke. If you look at the real statistics for shootings worldwide, you'll find that this happens every day. It's just these that happened to get public attention during a time where the news is searching for ratings...
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Blaming a country for a couple sick people going on rampages every few months is a joke. If you look at the real statistics for shootings worldwide, you'll find that this happens every day. It's just these that happened to get public attention during a time where the news is searching for ratings...
USA's situation is particular. Also, why are you calling every person who makes this kind of stuff insane/sick/whatever? For your info, these people are immersed in a culture of violence - it has to do with something else than state of mind.
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Once again, America can become more strict on fun laws all they won't. But as I've said before, that won't fix shit.
How will you remove somethings that's been in surplus for the past 200+ years?
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USA's situation is particular. Also, why are you calling every person who makes this kind of stuff insane/sick/whatever? For your info, these people are immersed in a culture of violence - it has to do with something else than state of mind.
If you are willing to take another person's life for no reason at all, you are indeed mentally sick.
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Remove guns to prevent crime? Sorry, I forgot criminals followed the law.
If you are willing to take another person's life for no reason at all, you are indeed mentally sick.
This.
Well I guess as long as the Second Amendment is left untouched, this can and will continue.
Easier said than done. Revoking a bill of rights would take years upon years to do. Your better off making weapons harder to get, which I agree with. Physiological testing and mental health need to be the primary address is permitting firearm purchasing as in most cases it'll make it harder to get weapons legally, thats ignoring the fact there are more illegal firearms on the street than legal ones.
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Blaming a country for a couple sick people going on rampages every few months is a joke. If you look at the real statistics for shootings worldwide, you'll find that this happens every day. It's just these that happened to get public attention during a time where the news is searching for ratings...
If a family consists of 10 members, 8 of which are mad(as in mentally disabled), It'd still be called a family of mentally disabled people right?
I find it right to blame the country now, since the occurrence of such incidents has increased rapidly.
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If a family consists of 10 members, 8 of which are mad(as in mentally disabled), It'd still be called a family of mentally disabled people right?
I find it right to blame the country now, since the occurrence of such incidents has increased rapidly.
You are contradicting your own statements by saying it's wrong to stereotype the family, but fine to stereotype the country for the faults.
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You are contradicting your own statements by saying it's wrong to stereotype the family, but fine to stereotype the country for the faults.
I didn't say its wrong to stereotype the family, its absolutely right in my view. :devroll:
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Blaming a country for a couple sick people going on rampages every few months is a joke. If you look at the real statistics for shootings worldwide, you'll find that this happens every day. It's just these that happened to get public attention during a time where the news is searching for ratings...
Quit calling all the people who do the shootings sick because half of them arnt, they are people trying to make a stand for something using guns which America's governments let them have because they never learn, you can keep blaming the 'sick people' just to avoid the problem that is your country but the fact is, the solution is to get rid of guns which you guys can't seem to do because guns are not the problem, according to Americans anyway.
Let me point you back in the direction of this again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerford_massacre)
After his massacre the UK stamped down completely on guns, since then there has only been 1 mass shooting, I do not understand why the f**k you Americans don't see that guns are the problem, it makes me understand that number 20 position on the world intelligence list, deny your problems and they will just cause you more trouble as guns are doing in America right now.
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Blaming a country for a couple sick people going on rampages every few months is a joke. If you look at the real statistics for shootings worldwide, you'll find that this happens every day. It's just these that happened to get public attention during a time where the news is searching for ratings...
Every few weeks you got a mass murder going on, it's not a fucking coincidence.
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Every few weeks you got a mass murder going on, it's not a f**king coincidence.
2 Mass shootings in 6 days to be correct, if not more that were not broadcast.. :poke:
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Every few weeks you got a mass murder going on, it's not a f**king coincidence.
Of course it's not. Look at the U.S. population.
Quit calling all the people who do the shootings sick because half of them arnt, they are people trying to make a stand for something using guns which America's governments let them half because they never learn, you can keep blaming the 'sick people' just to avoid the problem that is your country but the fact is, the solution is to get rid of guns which you guys can't seem to do because guns are not the problem, according to Americans anyway.
If they weren't "sick", they wouldn't be killing people. It's that simple.
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If they weren't "sick", they wouldn't be killing people. It's that simple.
Ok so your soldiers who kill the Taliban are sick.
You don't talk a whole lot of sense man.
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Ok so your soldiers who kill the Taliban are sick.
You don't talk a whole lot of sense man.
That is a whole 'nother argument that I don't think we should go into here, but as I said, I think anyone who kills someone is sick in some way or another.
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That is a whole 'nother argument that I don't think we should go into here, but as I said, I think anyone who kills someone is sick in some way or another.
No it's not, you're saying if someone kills someone they are mentally ill... How do you know the killer isnt trying to make a stand for something he/she believes in through murder? Though I'de personally never murder someone to make as stand, and I don't think many other people would, you can't just call them all ill, the problem lays with America's ignorance on guns.
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This is not happening simply because of mental illness, poor gun control, violence in culture, increased media coverage, or any other particular reason. The cause is a combination of many different factors, so it is not wise to lay the blame on only one of them.
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Very poor gun control indeed. Carrying a rifle or a firearm in public is allowed in US and even the police is not allowed to check your ID.
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This is not happening simply because of mental illness, poor gun control, violence in culture, increased media coverage, or any other particular reason. The cause is a combination of many different factors, so it is not wise to lay the blame on only one of them.
Lack of gun control, armed street gangs everywhere, the American 'more guns is what we need' attitude, shit government.
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Very poor gun control indeed. Carrying a rifle or a firearm in public is allowed in US and even the police is not allowed to check your ID.
Umm...no it's not.
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Umm...no it's not.
88.8 guns every 100 citizens. I wonder what you do with all those weapons. I guess housewives don't cook the meal with a flamethrower or call the kids for dinner with a grenade.
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88.8 guns every 100 citizens. I wonder what you do with all those weapons.
Keep them until you feel the need to kill someone. :roll:
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This is not happening simply because of mental illness, poor gun control, violence in culture, increased media coverage, or any other particular reason. The cause is a combination of many different factors, so it is not wise to lay the blame on only one of them.
Correct, if the media didn't give attention to the maniacs in the first place then other maniacs would not think they would get any attention out of shooting up a school. I know the killers name, but I do not know any single name of the children. Very sad when you think of it like that.
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88.8 guns every 100 citizens. I wonder what you do with all those weapons. I guess housewives don't cook the meal with a flamethrower or call the kids for dinner with a grenade.
Some people have multiple weapons. There are hunters, Police, gun enthusiasts, gun shows, antique weapon collectors, and the list goes on and on. That's like comparing the number of guns owned to the number of internet connected devices in the U.S. (http://www.usatoday.com/story/technologylive/2013/01/03/internet-connected-devices-usa/1806565/)
And for the record, there are laws in every state regarding guns. No, you can't walk down the street with a rifle, nor can you prevent the Police from checking your ID. Those are both false claims that aren't true in a single state in the country.
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Umm...no it's not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1UkfirtoDQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1UkfirtoDQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehIt8l19C5k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehIt8l19C5k)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2dC8MDKKTE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2dC8MDKKTE)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1UkfirtoDQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1UkfirtoDQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehIt8l19C5k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehIt8l19C5k)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2dC8MDKKTE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2dC8MDKKTE)
Biased videos. Open carry, even in states where it's allowed without a permit, still requires the weapons to be purchased legally. Open carry is just carrying the gun on you visibly. Concealed carry is having it hidden on you. Officers have the right to stop you, ask you for your ID, and request your permit, if applicable in the state you live in, regardless of whether you have done anything wrong or not.
I live in the United States, and I have extensive knowledge on the laws here. I am telling you that this:
Very poor gun control indeed. Carrying a rifle or a firearm in public is allowed in US and even the police is not allowed to check your ID.
Is completely incorrect.
Please check state and federal laws, and local Penal Codes, if you do not believe me.
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Some people have multiple weapons. There are hunters, Police, gun enthusiasts, gun shows, antique weapon collectors, and the list goes on and on. That's like comparing the number of guns owned to the number of internet connected devices in the U.S. (http://www.usatoday.com/story/technologylive/2013/01/03/internet-connected-devices-usa/1806565/)
And for the record, there are laws in every state regarding guns. No, you can't walk down the street with a rifle, nor can you prevent the Police from checking your ID. Those are both false claims that aren't true in a single state in the country.
You are once again finding another reason round the main problem.. What Dolfa said is correct. :poke:
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You are once again finding another reason round the main problem.. What Dolfa said is correct. :poke:
What Dolfa said is not correct at all. There is not a single fact to support it. Check the laws before you make statements backing up false information.
http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/StatePatrol-Main/CBON/1251594549010 (http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/StatePatrol-Main/CBON/1251594549010)
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Only a few states (including the one I live in) has Constitutional Carry law, meaning we can either open carry or concealed without permits, but if you carry a rifle in public slinged on your back down a street, that's just asking for trouble if someone who isn't well educated to laws would call 911.
Common sense..
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He is carrying a sniper in his back and a gun wide open. The cop won't dare to ask his ID or he will get in trouble. If it's not allowed but still gets away with it then your police sucks, which would explain more the fact about all these shootings.
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Only a few states (including the one I live in) has Constitutional Carry law, meaning we can either open carry or concealed without permits, but if you carry a rifle in public slinged on your back down a street, that's just asking for trouble if someone who isn't well educated to laws would call 911.
Common sense..
Do you still wonder how the shootings could be prevented when you and your neighbors are going down to the local corner shop carrying a hand gun? :lol:
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He is carrying a sniper in his back and a gun wide open. The cop won't dare to ask his ID or he will get in trouble. If it's not allowed but still gets away with it then your police sucks, which would explain more the fact about all these shootings.
You are still making things up. There is not a single thing that prevents an officer from checking your ID. In fact, all they need is reasonable suspicion. Open and concealed weapon carry is more than enough for reasonable suspicion. And no, you can't carry a sniper rifle out in the open. Arizona has the least strictest weapon laws in the country, and even they don't allow that. There are laws regarding how to transport weapons like that too.
Also, don't tell us our Police suck. Our Police do a wonderful job of preventing and stopping crimes on a daily basis in this country when their funding is next to nothing in this economy. You have no right to blame them for a shooting they didn't cause. Get your facts right before you post false information flaming someone's country.
Do you still wonder how the shootings could be prevented when you and your neighbors are going down to the local corner shop carrying a hand gun? :lol:
If you are open-carrying, chances are someone isn't going to pull a gun on you, knowing they'll end up in a shootout. They lose that sense of power pretty quickly when they see someone else is packing heat.
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Americans, if I were you, I'd refuse to leave my home without at least two handguns.
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Americans, if I were you, I'd refuse to leave my home without at least two handguns.
Don't worry. That's what they already do :poke:
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Don't worry. That's what they already do :poke:
Actually, most people don't.
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Actually, most people don't.
I do.
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I do.
You are not most people.
Edit: For those still confused, please refer to this information:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry_in_the_United_States)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States)
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You are not most people.
REALLY???? :mad:
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REALLY???? :mad:
I sure hope not, considering you're one person. If you're most people, then you must have millions of clones in the country. :lol:
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I sure hope not, considering you're one person. If you're most people, then you must have millions of clones in the country. :lol:
Here most people carry guns. You don't even need a CWP to carry a gun in a car. If you're over 18, GOOD TO GO!!!
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Here most people carry guns. You don't even need a CWP to carry a gun in a car. If you're over 18, GOOD TO GO!!!
Which state are you in? I know some states allow weapon carry over 18, but handguns is still a federal law at 21. :P
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Which state are you in? I know some states allow weapon carry over 18, but handguns is still a federal law at 21. :P
South Carolina. Here you can purchase a handgun/rifle once you turn 18. However you cannot buy a handgun from a store until you are 21 (rifles are 18 in stores). But, if you purchase from a private property (registered handgun, etc.) you can buy a handgun at 18.
This law only applies to a car though. At 18 you can carry a handgun in your glove box or other closed container.
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South Carolina. Here you can purchase a handgun/rifle once you turn 18. However you cannot buy a handgun from a store until you are 21 (rifles are 18 in stores). But, if you purchase from a private property (registered handgun, etc.) you can buy a handgun at 18.
This law only applies to a car though. At 18 you can carry a handgun in your glove box or other closed container.
I know there are some laws which allow handgun transfer at 18, but private purchase does worry me a little unless they are also following federal purchase laws. :P
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If you are open-carrying, chances are someone isn't going to pull a gun on you, knowing they'll end up in a shootout. They lose that sense of power pretty quickly when they see someone else is packing heat.
The US just seems like the most lawless country in the world right now, I said seems..
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The US just seems like the most lawless country in the world right now, I said seems..
The UK just seems like the most lawless country in the world right now.
Dramatic police footage: Belfast riots leave 20 wounded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeHfqdMPRtI#)
2011 Belfast Riots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRuuAEtW2c#ws)
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Okay.
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The US just seems like the most lawless country in the world right now, I said seems..
(http://www.strat-talk.com/forum/attachments/sidewinders-bar-grille/53588d1353343837-worst-era-music-since-50s-obama-not-bad-meme-i6.jpg)
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If I was in USA, I'd probably join a gang or something, and start preparing for a civil war. :devroll:
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If I was in USA, I'd probably join a gang or something, and start preparing for a civil war. :devroll:
And that is exactly why you will never be sold a weapon in the United States. :lol:
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The UK just seems like the most lawless country in the world right now.
Dramatic police footage: Belfast riots leave 20 wounded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeHfqdMPRtI#)
2011 Belfast Riots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmRuuAEtW2c#ws)
Gotta support them Loyalists, though half of them are just chavs who like throwing rocks and fireworks at police.
The reason I said the US seems lawless is because sugar is talking about if you carry a gun someone else will pull a gun on you, what the fuck?
Is everyone in the US pulling guns on eachother since nearly everyone has a gun? And Monkey how can N.Ireland be lawless if you can see police enforcing the law. :poke:
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That's how good your police is Open Carry a MP5 and visted by some MPD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVD8fFY86HU#)
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Dolfa.. :lol:
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And that is exactly why you will never be sold a weapon in the United States. :lol:
Gangs got illegal guns you know. :devroll:
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I can only imagine how easy it is to get a gun in the US..
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I can only imagine how easy it is to get a gun in the US..
As easy as getting it on Argonath ;)
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As easy as getting it on Argonath ;)
Yeh because in America you walk into a gun store and /buyweapon :lol:
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Yeh because in America you walk into a gun store and /buyweapon :lol:
Quite sure you don't need to even walk into a gun store, home delivery anyone?
Delivering hot and fresh guns since 1930s! You get it hot within 20 mins or you don't need to pay! :lol:
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Quite sure you don't need to even walk into a gun store, home delivery anyone?
Delivering hot and fresh guns since 1930s! You get it hot within 20 mins or you don't need to pay! :lol:
PizzaHut but GunHut with immediate delivery. :D
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The reason I said the US seems lawless is because sugar is talking about if you carry a gun someone else will pull a gun on you, what the f**k?
You really need to re-read my posts...
I said if everyone in the country were carrying a gun, no one would pull a gun on each other because they know the other person has one.
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Yes, you all know everything about america.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act)
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Yes, you all know everything about america.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act)
Lol funny thing there...the guy it's named after has the same, exact name as my dad. Go figure.
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Yes, you all know everything about america.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Handgun_Violence_Prevention_Act)
Works perfectly however it works.
edit: sarcasm..
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Works perfectly however it works.
Background checks before you purchase, then there is a waiting period.
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Background checks before you purchase, then there is a waiting period.
Yes and of course it stops all these trigger happy mass murderers.
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Yes and of course it stops all these trigger happy mass murderers.
Read the statistics in that link he sent. I'd say it's doing a pretty good job so far.
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Well, I guess this (http://www.saratogian.com/articles/2013/01/09/news/doc50ed9c510203e792649706.txt) is progress.
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Ok, do enlighten me on this, I cleared the background check, I own a nice ol' gun, have owned it since couple of years now. All of a sudden my wife runs away with some random man, I rage and get drunk, go out and start shooting whoever I see.
How does a background check help in chat one? :conf:
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Ok, do enlighten me on this, I cleared the background check, I own a nice ol' gun, have owned it since couple of years now. All of a sudden my wife runs away with some random man, I rage and get drunk, go out and start shooting whoever I see.
How does a background check help in chat one? :conf:
How would a gun ban stop you from killing anyone?
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How would a gun ban stop you from killing anyone?
It would massively decrease the chance of you killing someone with a gun.. I face palm at your question.
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It would massively decrease the chance of you killing someone with a gun.. I face palm at your question.
There are hundred of objects in your house that can be used as a weapon. Your point?
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It would massively decrease the chance of you killing someone with a gun.. I face palm at your question.
With a gun. Let's just start using knives then, shall we?
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With a gun. Let's just start using knives then, shall we?
How many mass stabbings are there in the UK per month? We don't have guns in the UK and I rarely hear of a stabbing.
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How would a gun ban stop you from killing anyone?
It would massively decrease the chance of you killing someone with a gun.. I face palm at your question.
Exactly.
If a gun ban was to be implimented, I wouldn't have a gun in the first place, and even if I do, I wouldn't take it out with me.
and I highly doubt the amount of people I can kill with knife before being controlled..
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You don't hear about knife killings because of guns existing. If you remove guns, you will hear about them...
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You don't hear about knife killings because of guns existing. If you remove guns, you will hear about them...
Right, so we can face the fact that the massive majority of the US public likes to shoot or stab someone, in most modernised countries, you hardly hear about stabbings or shootings, it's only the US, and Sugar you keep finding a bad answer around every statement saying that guns are bad.. I won't even bother posting no more as an American always comes along and says 'No, guns arnt the problem', whats the problem then? Americans themselves? I facepalm at this whole topic and more importantly Americans.
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You don't hear about knife killings because of guns existing. If you remove guns, you will hear about them...
Defending the USA in this case (as many others) is completely senseless. Turns of phrase don't help ;)
You should analize every problem (even yours, as USA) with self critism, thing that you never do, cause the USA is dabbest and is always right.
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thing that you never do, cause the USA is dabbest and is always right.
Yes, like they are telling the UK not to hold a vote to pull out of the EU, piss off, none of your business. :mad:
(Not you, the US government..) ;)
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Yes, like they are telling the UK not to hold a vote to pull out of the EU
That's a bit different.
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That's a bit different.
Still the US thinking they are above everyone else and can tell other countries what to do when they have massive problems of their own.. :poke:
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Still the US thinking they are above everyone else and can tell other countries what to do when they have massive problems of their own.. :poke:
Excuse me, but who ever said we were above anyone else? I don't see that anywhere. This topic occurred in the United States. Don't blame me for discussing it here. If you want to **** on a country, go find another community to do it in.
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Excuse me, but who ever said we were above anyone else? I don't see that anywhere. This topic occurred in the United States. Don't blame me for discussing it here. If you want to **** on a country, go find another community to do it in.
I'm not shitting on any country, I am just saying the US can't keep their noses out of other countries business and focus on their own problems.
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I'm not shitting on any country, I am just saying the US can't keep their noses out of other countries business and focus on their own problems.
No, you're ****ting on other countries. Flaming doesn't change just because of your opinion.
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No, you're ****ting on other countries. Flaming doesn't change just because of your opinion.
And your throwing false accusations at me.. I've said the US can't keep it's nose out of other countries decisions and plans, if the US stopped focusing on other countries and being control hungry then maybe you wouldn't have all these trigger hungry morons running round, maybe guns would actually be banned, maybe your government wouldn't be wasting so much money on a uselessly large military and could point it at emergency services in order to prevent innocent people dying because you all seem to want a gun for some unknown reason.
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You don't hear about knife killings because of guns existing. If you remove guns, you will hear about them...
I remember years ago, here in the UK, the number of knife related crimes was quite high. It's died down quite a bit now but I remember it being all over the news at one point.
Truth is, Matt is right.
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I remember years ago, here in the UK, the number of knife related crimes was quite high. It's died down quite a bit now but I remember it being all over the news at one point.
Truth is, Matt is right.
Go ahead and ban all guns. Even if you remove them all, people will still find another weapon to use. My point still stands.
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Go ahead and ban all guns. Even if you remove them all, people will still find another weapon to use. My point still stands.
And any other weapon they get use will be less lethal than a gun.
An unarmed person can disarm a person with a knife, they cannot disarm a person with a gun, unless they have lightening fast reflexes and are like 1 inch apart which I doubt happens in mass killings, it's understandable that Americans do not want to have a gun ban as it's one of the main hobbies in the US, but unless you want to keep having mass murders it will have to happen..
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And any other weapon they get use will be less lethal than a gun.
An unarmed person can disarm a person with a knife, they cannot disarm a person with a gun, unless they have lightening fast reflexes and are like 1 inch apart which I doubt happens in mass killings, it's understandable that Americans do not want to have a gun ban as it's one of the main hobbies in the US, but unless you want to keep having mass murders it will have to happen..
1. Homemade pipebombs.
2. Chemicals.
3. A guy with a knife in a room full of children. I'm pretty sure it won't matter.
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1. Homemade pipebombs.
2. Chemicals.
3. A guy with a knife in a room full of children. I'm pretty sure it won't matter.
How many pipebomb, chemical attacks and mass stabbings do you hear of in the UK? I hear of none..
Only bringing the UK into it because it's the closest example I know of, of an non-violent country without guns and mass murders.
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How many pipebomb, chemical attacks and mass stabbings do you hear of in the UK? I hear of none..
Only bringing the UK into it because it's the closest example I know of, of an non-violent country without guns and mass murders.
I didn't bring the UK into it. You did.
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I didn't bring the UK into it. You did.
I know.. :poke:
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Go ahead and ban all guns. Even if you remove them all, people will still find another weapon to use. My point still stands.
Yes they will, but no other weapon need basically no training with being as deadly as guns are. Killing 4 grown men with a gun, not that difficult. Killing 4 grown men with a knife....good luck.
1. Homemade pipebombs.
2. Chemicals.
3. A guy with a knife in a room full of children. I'm pretty sure it won't matter.
The guy would have to know how to make an IED or which chemical is actually lethal and how to actually get those.
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Yes they will, but no other weapon need basically no training with being as deadly as guns are. Killing 4 grown men with a gun, not that difficult. Killing 4 grown men with a knife....good luck.The guy would have to know how to make an IED or which chemical is actually lethal and how to actually get those.
The Anarchist's Cookbook is not a myth. It is available all over the internet, despite being banned and highly illegal to own. Anyone can get the information from it.
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The Anarchist's Cookbook is not a myth. It is available all over the internet, despite being banned and highly illegal to own. Anyone can get the information from it.
You say all these mass murderers are 'ill', do you really think an ill person would realise he can find how to make a bomb on google?
To be honest Sugar I think you just try to make an answer for everything.
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You say all these mass murderers are 'ill', do you really think an ill person would realise he can find how to make a bomb on google?
To be honest Sugar I think you just try to make an answer for everything.
Actually, the average person is commonly aware that nearly anything can be found from an internet search. In fact, the news covered it years ago when Al Qaeda was posting videos about it online.
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Actually, the average person is commonly aware that nearly anything can be found from an internet search. In fact, the news covered it years ago when Al Qaeda was posting videos about it online.
Yes, but the average person doesn't have the guts to try to or assemble an explosive let alone use one, just face the fact that guns are bad and they need to go and stop beating round the bush.
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Yes, but the average person doesn't have the guts to try to or assemble an explosive let alone use one, just face the fact that guns are bad and they need to go and stop beating round the bush.
http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2012/07/explosive-device-safely-removed-from-rocklin-parking-lot.html (http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2012/07/explosive-device-safely-removed-from-rocklin-parking-lot.html)
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http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2012/07/explosive-device-safely-removed-from-rocklin-parking-lot.html (http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2012/07/explosive-device-safely-removed-from-rocklin-parking-lot.html)
I just can't even be bothered in arguing with you no more since nothing gets through.
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I just can't even be bothered in arguing with you no more since nothing gets through.
That happened in a major part of the city just months ago.
I have facts to back up my statements.
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http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2012/07/explosive-device-safely-removed-from-rocklin-parking-lot.html (http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2012/07/explosive-device-safely-removed-from-rocklin-parking-lot.html)
Whoa and look at that. No deaths.
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Whoa and look at that. No deaths.
Ya, because they caught it in time.
http://articles.latimes.com/1989-04-04/news/mn-1105_1_pipe-bomb (http://articles.latimes.com/1989-04-04/news/mn-1105_1_pipe-bomb)
1989. This was long before the Anarchist's Cookbook or Google even existed.
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Ya, because they caught it in time.
Yes, and how do you control a shooter that's just opened fire and injured / killed several people already? By the time you take out your own weapon a few are already injured / dead.
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Yes, and how do you control a shooter that's just opened fire and injured / killed several people already? By the time you take out your own weapon a few are already injured / dead.
Not true. That would all depend on the situation. Officers get into shootouts all the time and take down the suspect before they can get a shot off.
It's not something I'd really like to say or think about, but better none or a few than a lot.
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Ya, because they caught it in time.
http://articles.latimes.com/1989-04-04/news/mn-1105_1_pipe-bomb (http://articles.latimes.com/1989-04-04/news/mn-1105_1_pipe-bomb)
1989. This was long before the Anarchist's Cookbook or Google even existed.
So you had to go all back to 1989 to show two deaths. Two less than in Colorado. Yeah you're not proving my point....at all.
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So you had to go all back to 1989 to show two deaths. Two less than in Colorado. Yeah you're not proving my point....at all.
Do your research and I'm sure I'll find more. Keep in mind, I also said they would become more popular if guns were taken away. That is just a plain fact. People will use anything they can as a weapon. Take away the most commonly used one and they'll find something else. Violence is part of human nature, not guns. A gun is harmless until you pull the trigger on your own free will.
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Do your research and I'm sure I'll find more. Keep in mind, I also said they would become more popular if guns were taken away. That is just a plain fact. People will use anything they can as a weapon. Take away the most commonly used one and they'll find something else. Violence is part of human nature, not guns. A gun is harmless until you pull the trigger on your own free will.
You're going in circles rather than pressing the issue.
Yes they will, but no other weapon need basically no training with being as deadly as guns are. Killing 4 grown men with a gun, not that difficult. Killing 4 grown men with a knife....good luck.
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http://www.newsrake.org/index.php?topic=9718.0 (http://www.newsrake.org/index.php?topic=9718.0)
Check that.
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1. Homemade pipebombs.
http://youtu.be/5XPwL8rbLME (http://youtu.be/5XPwL8rbLME)
:roll:
and quite sure, no one would dare do a massacre with a knife if a room is full of 200, 5 year olds.
And since you do not seem to agree with anyone, tell me, what do you think the problem is, Sugar?
The education, government, laws, police force, family principles, which one are you going to blame?
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Not true. That would all depend on the situation. Officers get into shootouts all the time and take down the suspect before they can get a shot off.
When some one with a gun goes to a mass of people, and starts shooting on civilians, I doubt any officer would be able to take down the suspect so quick that nobody would get injured / killed. Guns are too lethal for everybody to have.
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I also said they would become more popular if guns were taken away.
Oh wow, thats one crazy country you live in.. They get their guns taken away so they start creating pipe bombs..
You're only looking desperate by constantly defending guns.
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Won't take anything short of another Columbine incident to get the point through.
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Use some common sense people. If you take away the guns, they will still just find another weapon to use. People are violent by nature. Guns don't make them that way.
And saying there's nothing out there as lethal as a gun that couldn't easily be stopped is not true either. Think about how many anime freaks out there collect katanas and samurai swords now. I know quite a few just off the top of my head. Hell, one of them is a Developer here in Argo...
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and quite sure, no one would dare do a massacre with a knife if a room is full of 200, 5 year olds.
Ever heard of Kim de Gelder ?
The problem lies not in the guns, but in the education.
If all you hear is ' hate them, kill them' sooner or later you might end up doing it.
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If all you hear is ' hate them, kill them' sooner or later you might end up doing it.
Exactly. And that is a worldwide problem, not a national one. The entire human race is at fault for it's own mistakes.
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Exactly. And that is a worldwide problem, not a national one. The entire human race is at fault for it's own mistakes.
However its worldwide because the world watches American movies and music. :girl:
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Sugar, first you blame 'ill' people for the killings, now you blame the entire human race, to be honest I'de rather someone try to massacre with a knife than a gun, so the solution still remains to ban guns, no matter how much you fight it.
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And saying there's nothing out there as lethal as a gun that couldn't easily be stopped is not true either. Think about how many anime freaks out there collect katanas and samurai swords now. I know quite a few just off the top of my head. Hell, one of them is a Developer here in Argo...
really you comparing katanas and samurai swords with a freaking gun? Oh you poor desperate, desperate man.
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Sugar, first you blame 'ill' people for the killings, now you blame the entire human race, to be honest I'de rather someone try to massacre with a knife than a gun, so the solution still remains to ban guns, no matter how much you fight it.
The entire human race has a problem with being addicted to violence. That is the human race's blame. Those who exercise the addiction to kill others are the ones who are mentally sick. The human race could quite easily solve all of these problems...but we are too addicted to power and money to even consider the possibility. That is also the fault of our race.
However its worldwide because the world watches American movies and music. :girl:
You're forgetting about gun-runners, warlords, and people who are fighting to take over other countries.
really you comparing katanas and samurai swords with a freaking gun? Oh you poor desperate, desperate man.
How is that desperate? As I said before: Remove guns and people will find the next weapon of opportunity.
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Sugar, first you blame 'ill' people for the killings, now you blame the entire human race, to be honest I'de rather someone try to massacre with a knife than a gun, so the solution still remains to ban guns, no matter how much you fight it.
Agreed, I personally would try to control if a man was on a killing spree in public, but man, if he had a gun.. where are them sewers..
Guy goes inside a manhole to get a tennis ball, fail. (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82723815#)
The entire human race has a problem with being addicted to violence. That is the human race's blame. Those who exercise the addiction to kill others are the ones who are mentally sick. The human race could quite easily solve all of these problems...but we are too addicted to power and money to even consider the possibility. That is also the fault of our race.
I'm not addicted to violence.. neither is anyone I know of, how can you blame entire human race?
How is that desperate? As I said before: Remove guns and people will find the next weapon of opportunity.
Like what, dildos?
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I'm not addicted to violence.. neither is anyone I know of, how can you blame entire human race?
This was quite funny indeed. Blaming others to be like you now? Thanks, no. The world is different fortunately. There are places where this happens and places where this doesn't happen.
Like what, dildos?
Never say never :poke:
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I'm not addicted to violence.. neither is anyone I know of, how can you blame entire human race?
You enjoy Grand Theft Auto games. You are addicted to it whether you know it or not. Your addiction may not be as bad as others, but it's there.
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The entire human race has a problem with being addicted to violence. That is the human race's blame. Those who exercise the addiction to kill others are the ones who are mentally sick. The human race could quite easily solve all of these problems...but we are too addicted to power and money to even consider the possibility.
I don't know about your county, but I don't know anyone thats addicted to violence.
You are still beating round the bush.
You enjoy Grand Theft Auto games. You are addicted to it whether you know it or not. Your addiction may not be as bad as others, but it's there.
No.. People know wether they are addicted to something or not, theres having fun and being addicted, they are both different things.
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SugarD, it's really goddamn silly how you try to defend your precious 2nd Amendment. No matter how much you'll try to defend the right to buy guns, people will still abuse them. It's how you fight stuff like this.
People get banned for hacks, they find glitches; people get banned for glitches, they use bugs; people get banned for bugs, they script abuse; people get banned for script abuse play retard with the rules.
Humanity will indeed always find a way to do one thing or another, but stripping them of abilities will slow them down.
Imagine a person, in full health and physical peak. He can kill effectively people. You rip off his hands and he won't do jackshit anymore, or at the very fucking least not as effective anymore. Now imagine that with arms being the guns. Same shit applies here.
So, if anyone else ever asks me opinion, strict gun laws MUST be there. Yes, they won't stop killings, but they will severely cut the ability for them to be done.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)
Seeing this list, I could easily say US is amongst thirld world countries in rate of homicides. Even China that has 4 times more population than US and has less homicides. Sure not all were killed by guns but the vast majority was, still shows how 'civilized' US is and how we always have to blame the entire human race.
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I don't know about your county, but I don't know anyone thats addicted to violence.
You are still beating round the bush.
No.. People know wether they are addicted to something or not, theres having fun and being addicted, they are both different things.
Having fun killing people for hours on end, running them over with cars and shooting at cops on your TV is an addiction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)
Seeing this list, I could easily say US is amongst thirld world countries in rate of homicides. Even China that has 4 times more population than US and has less homicides. Sure not all were killed by guns but the vast majority was, still shows how 'civilized' US is and how we always have to blame the entire human race.
An amnesty can be held (as was held here in 1997 when all handguns are banned. Then anybody who is caught gets a hefty prison sentence.
It did work in reducing gun crime, of course it would be dumb to think it would stop it, but here's some information from a BBC article:
In 1995, 44 people between five and 16-years-old were victims of homicide. In 2005-06 the number was less than half of that - and during the in-between years it varied wildly. In the last year, it went up again. Crucially, almost half of all child victims are killed by a parent.
Gun ownership is high in the US, so some time would be needed to carry it out. The US has the highest gun ownership rate in the world - an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership - and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer - 54.8 per 100 people.
But the US does not have the worst firearm murder rate - that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the US is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people.
Snipped from: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownership-world-list) the data is from 2007.
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Having fun killing people for hours on end, running them over with cars and shooting at cops on your TV is an addiction.
No it is not..
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No it is not..
Then what else do you call it?
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Won't take anything short of another Columbine incident to get the point through.
Columbine happened after the 1994 Assault Weapons ban.
and quite sure, no one would dare do a massacre with a knife if a room is full of 200, 5 year olds.
22 children got stabbed in China by a person the same day Sandy Hook happened.
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Then what else do you call it?
Entertainment, killing and running cops/civilians over IRL is completely different to that of a game.
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Entertainment, killing and running cops/civilians over IRL is completely different to that of a game.
Doesn't mean it's not an addiction to violence. If it's entertaining to the point where you play it for hours on end, it's an addiction.
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Doesn't mean it's not an addiction to violence. If it's entertaining to the point where you play it for hours on end, it's an addiction.
You're implying that everyone in Argonath RP's a violent person..
It is not an addiction.
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Doesn't mean it's not an addiction to violence. If it's entertaining to the point where you play it for hours on end, it's an addiction.
Makes no sense.
You're implying that everyone in Argonath RP's a violent person..
Let's organise us and give up to justice indeed ;)
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Let's organise us and give up to justice indeed ;)
To be honest I just give up with arguing with this guy.. There for some reason always happens to be something else to blame other than the main problem/cause and everyone else is always wrong. :poke:
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To be honest I just give up with arguing with this guy.. There for some reason always happens to be something else to blame other than the main problem/cause and everyone else is always wrong. :poke:
I have yet to see you post anything backing up your statements. I have.
You're implying that everyone in Argonath RP's a violent person..
It is not an addiction.
I didn't say an addiction to violence makes you a violent person. Hell, the entire human race is addicted to sex, just like any other animal in nature, but not everyone is a pervert.
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I have yet to see you post anything backing up your statements. I have.
Common sense, which you seem to lack.
I didn't say an addiction to violence makes you a violent person. Hell, the entire human race is addicted to sex, just like any other animal in nature, but not everyone is a pervert.
What does this have to do with America's gun problem..
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You enjoy Grand Theft Auto games. You are addicted to it whether you know it or not. Your addiction may not be as bad as others, but it's there.
> Video games
> Real life
The difference between games and real life is as big as the difference between a penis and a vagina.
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> Video games
> Real life
The difference between games and real life is as big as the difference between a penis and a vagina.
Yet they are both sexual organs. Your argument is not valid.
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How is that desperate? As I said before: Remove guns and people will find the next weapon of opportunity.
Because the whole reason military these days use guns to wage wars is because guns are way more effective in killing people than a freaking katana.
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Because the whole reason military these days use guns to wage wars is because guns are way more effective in killing people than a freaking katana.
You missed my point. I said if you removed guns, people would resort to other weapons, such as a katana.
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You missed my point. I said if you removed guns, people would resort to other weapons, such as a katana.
Once again back to square one.
Yes they will, but no other weapon need basically no training with being as deadly as guns are. Killing 4 grown men with a gun, not that difficult. Killing 4 grown men with a knife....good luck.
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Once again back to square one.
You don't need training to know how to use a katana.
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Still, a gun is a more effective killing machine.
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You don't need training to know how to use a katana.
So just ignoring the other part of the sentence?
Still, a gun is a more effective killing machine.
See, this guy gets it.
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It doesn't matter if a gun is more effective or not. A bomb is more effective than a gun, but that's beside the point anyway.
You guys are completely missing what I'm saying. If you remove guns, they will find other weapons to use. A katana was an example of a highly-effective one.
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Let them find other weapons then. Guns are too lethal for everybody to have. Self-defense is no excuse to that.
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It doesn't matter if a gun is more effective or not. A bomb is more effective than a gun, but that's beside the point anyway.
You guys are completely missing what I'm saying. If you remove guns, they will find other weapons to use. A katana was an example of a highly-effective one.
Bombs take a lot of effort in planning and making it to be as effective as a gun. Katana, effective against a single target when the victim is caught off guard. Take all the shootings you have had in the US these past months and try to think if that many lives would have been lost if the guys would have used a freaking katana.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-8-2013/scapegoat-hunter---gun-control (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-january-8-2013/scapegoat-hunter---gun-control)
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Sugar, Did you forget something, bud? Bombs are already illegal. :poke:
and katanas are more lethal than guns? Since when you can kill someone standing 40 feet away with a katana?
Oh wait, how about those samurai stars, bet many people collect those, or OR How about CDS and DVDS! You can just throw them aiming at someone's neck and woosh, their head will go flying!
Yeah right, stop with the lame excuses..
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stop with the lame excuses..
Exactly.
+ if you (as people - americans) have a problem, it doesn't mean that everyone else has it. (Most of the) Peoples affected by globalization were/are fortunately enough intelligent not to learn that part of your culture.
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Sugar, Did you forget something, bud? Bombs are already illegal. :poke:
and katanas are more lethal than guns? Since when you can kill someone standing 40 feet away with a katana?
Oh wait, how about those samurai stars, bet many people collect those, or OR How about CDS and DVDS! You can just throw them aiming at someone's neck and woosh, their head will go flying!
Yeah right, stop with the lame excuses..
Shoot one shot with a gun. Now slice someone one time with a katana. You tell me which is more lethal.
Exactly.
+ if you (as people - americans) have a problem, it doesn't mean that everyone else has it. (Most of the) Peoples affected by globalization were/are fortunately enough intelligent not to learn that part of your culture.
As I said before, our culture is not to blame. There are people that illegally sell, use, and commit genocide with guns worldwide. You can't put the blame on us.
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Shoot one shot with a gun. Now slice someone one time with a katana. You tell me which is more lethal.
Gun as it can be used multipul times at a distance.
As I said before, our culture is not to blame. There are people that illegally sell, use, and commit genocide with guns worldwide. You can't put the blame on us.
Your culture is to blame as it's what brought the US into the trigger happy attitude it has today.
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Shoot one shot with a gun. Now slice someone one time with a katana. You tell me which is more lethal.
I'm very well aware of what any katana can do, IF and a big IF you can find an original Samurai Katana. :devroll:
But one thing is for sure, you can't kill as many people with a katana as you can with a shotgun.
As I said before, our culture is not to blame. There are people that illegally sell, use, and commit genocide with guns worldwide. You can't put the blame on us.
Man, I'm tired of asking this, and you never seem to answer. :/
If guns are being illegally sold in your state or country, isn't it still a flaw in your gun laws that aren't strict enough that illegal trade of guns is so active?
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If guns are being illegally sold in your state or country, isn't it still a flaw in your gun laws that aren't strict enough that illegal trade of guns is so active?
No. Criminals don't follow laws.
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Then its the law enforcement agencies to be blamed that they can't enforce the laws on criminals?
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Then its the law enforcement agencies to be blamed that they can't enforce the laws on criminals?
I don't think you understand the concept of what a criminal is.
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I don't think you understand the concept of what a criminal is.
Well, I'll be overwhelmed if you enlighten me on what a criminal is in the United States of America.
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22 children got stabbed in China by a person the same day Sandy Hook happened.
In China, people get stabbed. In USA, people get killed. You can recover from most stabs, but you can't recover from any kills.
Also, when safely reporting data about China gives China good image - let's say China is a dictatorship and it hinders our data gathering. But when it gives China bad image - say it safely, yes?
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In China, people get stabbed. In USA, people get killed. You can recover from most stabs, but you can't recover from any kills.
Only 10% of Officer-related shootings in NYC are fatal. The number of stabbings resulting in fatalities are much higher. Officers shoot to kill. Criminals just straight-up attack. I think that shows which one is more dangerous in most scenarios.
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Only 10% of Officer-related shootings in NYC are fatal. The number of stabbings resulting in fatalities are much higher. Officers shoot to kill. Criminals just straight-up attack. I think that shows which one is more dangerous in most scenarios.
Maybe criminals wouldn't need to feel the need to carry guns and knives to protect themselves if America weren't so relaxed when ti came to weapons.
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Then its the law enforcement agencies to be blamed that they can't enforce the laws on criminals?
With the economy we're still struggling with, police departments across the country are forced to downsize to save money. Several cities actually recommended the citizens to arm themselves as a result.
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Maybe criminals wouldn't need to feel the need to carry guns and knives to protect themselves if America weren't so relaxed when ti came to weapons.
You're kidding, right? Criminals carry guns and knives everywhere in the world. They don't do it because of the laws. They are criminals. Criminals don't follow laws, hence their title.
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You're kidding, right? Criminals carry guns and knives everywhere in the world. They don't do it because of the laws. They are criminals. Criminals don't follow laws, hence their title.
People are not born cirminal.
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People are not born cirminal.
It's known that Americans like to think there is good and evil.
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People are not born cirminal.
I agree, but he's saying that stricter laws would stop criminals from breaking said laws. That makes no sense because criminals are criminals because they break the law.
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I agree, but he's saying that stricter laws would stop criminals from breaking said laws. That makes no sense because criminals are criminals because they break the law.
Stricter laws would stop a lot of criminals. As I proved before with statistics from when we banned handguns.
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Stricter laws would stop a lot of criminals. As I proved before with statistics from when we banned handguns.
Laws prevent criminals. They don't stop existing ones.
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Laws prevent criminals. They don't stop existing ones.
And once the existing ones have gone, it's then harder for new criminals.
I don't know how you don't see the obvious or why you keep fighting this case. :poke:
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I don't know how you don't see the obvious or why you keep fighting this case. :poke:
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With the economy we're still struggling with, police departments across the country are forced to downsize to save money. Several cities actually recommended the citizens to arm themselves as a result.
Maybe stop donating trillions of dollars to other countries then? :devroll:
Btw Sugar, stricter laws do stop crime, or at least lower the rate of it. Lets say right now you ticket someone for $250 for not wearing a helmet on bike, you make it $500, and watch them either stop riding a bike or wear a helmet.
Same is going on in India at this time, people demanding chemical/surgical castration for those who perform rape, I hope its made into a law, lets watch who's eager to lose his penis then. :devroll:
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Maybe stop donating trillions of dollars to other countries then? :devroll:
And all that money on the uselessly large military.. :poke:
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And all that money on the uselessly large military.. :poke:
Funniest thing in history which I know of is,
USA was giving 2 Billion dollars every year + military support + expensive weapons to Pakistan for several years to fight terrorism, and in the end, Osama-bin-Laden was found in the very same country US was paying so much to capture/kill him. and not even hiding somewhere, Osama was living very peacefully in his huge ass building, with his several wives.
Pak trolled US epicly there. :rofl:
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Btw Sugar, stricter laws do stop crime, or at least lower the rate of it. Lets say right now you ticket someone for $250 for not wearing a helmet on bike, you make it $500, and watch them either stop riding a bike or wear a helmet.
And if that person is already a criminal who doesn't care about the laws, they won't pay the ticket, and will skip out on their court date. It can go either way. Good people can be prevented from doing bad things, but you can't stop bad people who plan to do them no matter what the law says.
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Good people - bad people
Yay!
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Yay!
Don't misquote me to reword what I said to support you.
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Pak trolled US epicly there. :rofl:
Damn right they did.
I may be straying a bit off topic here, but this amount of money spent on the military could go towards policing and anti-terrorist campaigns in the actual USA, by anti-terrorist I mean all these mass shootings that kill innocent people, why does the US need 10 aircraft carriers in operation with around 4-5 ships following each one as defence, why do you need another 2 which are being built as we speak?
Unless you plan on invading every country on Earth you don't need this many aircraft carriers and you certainly don't need to spend as much on a military as the US currently does.
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to support you.
What did I miss here?
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What did I miss here?
Misquoting me on purpose is just trolling to post-hunt. Stop it.
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Misquoting me on purpose is just trolling to post-hunt. Stop it.
Post hunting? Can you please check my post/day (and then yours)?
I was just underlining how you keep, in a very Bush-ish way, how the world and all the things it includes can easily be identified as good or evil.
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Post hunting? Can you please check my post/day (and then yours)?
I was just underlining how you keep, in a very Bush-ish way, how the world and all the things it includes can easily be identified as good or evil.
1. Don't compare me to Bush.
2. Don't misquote me then.
3. Get back on topic.
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1. Don't compare me to Bush.
2. Don't misquote me then.
3. Get back on topic.
I was just rephrasing what Gandalf said:
People are not born cirminal.
If you keep thinking this way you will never get anything of what we're discussing here. I am on topic.
Never compared you to Bush. I just said your thoughts are quite similar, can I at least think and express an opinion?
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I was just rephrasing what Gandalf said:
If you keep thinking this way you will never get anything of what we're discussing here. I am on topic.
Never compared you to Bush. I just said your thoughts are quite similar, can I at least think and express an opinion?
1. Read my reply to Gandalf.
2. See below:
I was just underlining how you keep, in a very Bush-ish way, how the world and all the things it includes can easily be identified as good or evil.
So yes, I agree. I would like to get back on topic. Please don't misquote me again.