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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Matt Murdock on January 16, 2013, 08:44:21 pm
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WASHINGTON  Braced for a fight, President Barack Obama on Wednesday unveiled the most sweeping proposals for curbing gun violence in two decades, pressing a reluctant Congress to pass universal background checks and bans on military-style assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines like the ones used in the Newtown, Conn., school shooting.
A month after that horrific massacre, Obama also used his presidential powers to enact 23 measures that don't require the backing of lawmakers. The president's executive actions include ordering federal agencies to make more data available for background checks, appointing a director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and directing the Centers for Disease Control to research gun violence.
But the president, speaking at White House ceremony, focused his attention on the divided Congress, saying only lawmakers could enact the most effective measures for preventing more mass shootings.
"To make a real and lasting difference, Congress must act," Obama said. "And Congress must act soon."
The president vowed to use "whatever weight this office holds" to press lawmakers into action on his $500 million plan. He is also calling for improvements in school safety, including putting 1,000 police officers in schools and bolstering mental health care by training more health professionals to deal with young people who may be at risk.
The president's long list of executive orders also include:
 Ordering tougher penalties for people who lie on background checks and requiring federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
 Ending limits that make it more difficult for the government to research gun violence, such as gathering data on guns that fall into criminal hands.
 Requiring federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
 Giving schools flexibility to use federal grant money to improve school safety, such as by hiring school resource officers.
 Giving communities grants to institute programs to keep guns away from people who shouldn't have them.
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20130116/NEWS02/701169901 (http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20130116/NEWS02/701169901)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323968304578245720749827656.html (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323968304578245720749827656.html)
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Still not enough.
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Get idioticly-given weapons and destroy them.
You may say farmers need them. They let them have a rifle. But there are loads of people not having a reason to own one who actually have a weapon.
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You may say farmers need them. They let them have a rifle. But there are loads of people not having a reason to own one who actually have a weapon.
You can't really justify that for the average, mentally-sane person, though. What if they carry it for self-protection, or they hunt, or shoot for fun at ranges? Saying they can't have guns just because they own them and still follow the laws would just completely violate the Constitution. The overall idea is to keep the weapons out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them...not remove them altogether so no one has them at all.
Although I agree that Obama's plan may not be quite enough, it's definitely a good start in the right direction, as it aims to tackle the problem head-on without even coming close to violating the Second Amendment.
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You can't really justify that for the average, mentally-sane person, though. What if they carry it for self-protection, or they hunt, or shoot for fun at ranges? Saying they can't have guns just because they own them and still follow the laws would just completely violate the Constitution. The overall idea is to keep the weapons out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them...not remove them altogether so no one has them at all.
Although I agree that Obama's plan may not be quite enough, it's definitely a good start in the right direction, as it aims to tackle the problem head-on without even coming close to violating the Second Amendment.
If they shoot as a hobby, their guns should be kept locked at a shooting range, if they go hunting, (which not alot of city goers in the US do) their guns should be kept locked up well at home, if they don't do either, they don't need a gun.
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If they shoot as a hobby, their guns should be kept locked at a shooting range, if they go hunting, (which not alot of city goers in the US do) their guns should be kept locked up well at home, if they don't do either, they don't need a gun.
Both should be locked up at home since they own the gun, but I agree there. In fact, it is a federal law to properly store your weapons safely. The problem is that many people are lazy.
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Both should be locked up at home since they own the gun, but I agree there. In fact, it is a federal law to properly store your weapons safely. The problem is that many people are lazy.
And it's that lazyness that leads to guns being stolen and use for things the owner did not intend, in my area a man had a double barreled shotgun, it wasnt locked up properly and someone I know broke in and stole it then tried to convert it into a Sawnoff, he ended up completely ruining it, but it's pretty obvious it would have been used in more serious crimes as he stole it in the first place, the police caught him after he took pictures of himself and put them on facebook holding the stolen gun, he's now serving a 4 year jail sentence, go rozzers! :D
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If they shoot as a hobby, their guns should be kept locked at a shooting range, if they go hunting, (which not alot of city goers in the US do) their guns should be kept locked up well at home, if they don't do either, they don't need a gun.
The 2nd Amendment is not just about the right to shoot or hunt as a hobby, but to protect themselves from tyranny, including our own Government.
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And it's that lazyness that leads to guns being stolen and use for things the owner did not intend, in my area a man had a double barreled shotgun, it wasnt locked up properly and someone I know broke in and stole it then tried to convert it into a Sawnoff, he ended up completely ruining it, but it's pretty obvious it would have been used in more serious crimes as he stole it in the first place, the police caught him after he took pictures of himself and put them on facebook holding the stolen gun, he's now serving a 4 year jail sentence, go rozzers! :D
Then both the person you know, and the guy he stole it from, don't deserve to have a gun. :P
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Then both the person you know, and the guy he stole it from, don't deserve to have a gun. :P
Agreed. :D
The 2nd Amendment is not just about the right to shoot or hunt as a hobby, but to protect themselves from tyranny, including our own Government.
Do you trust your government if they say you can have the right to protect yourselves from even the government itself? :trust:
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Agreed. :D
Do you trust your government if they say you can have the right to protect yourselves from even the government itself? :trust:
The same government that ran Operation Fast & Furious while pressing for gun control?
The same government who has fully armed task force to protect their families while saying we do not need one?
The same government who can't control their budget that us, our children and grandchildren will have to pay off $17 Trillion Dollars in debt.
No, I do not trust the government who can't run a country and expect us to suck it up and move on
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The same government that ran Operation Fast & Furious while pressing for gun control?
The same government who has fully armed task force to protect their families while saying we do not need one?
The same government who can't control their budget that us, our children and grandchildren will have to pay off $17 Trillion Dollars in debt.
No, I do not trust the government who can't run a country and expect us to suck it up and move on
Then in that case, in my eyes, the US is doomed to civil war and will end up falling apart.
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Then in that case, in my eyes, the US is doomed to civil war and will end up falling apart.
I agree, and the rest of the world is not far off. The European Union is going through similar troubles, as are many countries around the world. If a large one like the US, EU, or UK falls, the world economy will completely collapse. It can't handle another major failure in the system at this point. I fear more than just civil war arising these days.
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I agree, and the rest of the world is not far off. The European Union is going through similar troubles, as are many countries around the world. If a large one like the US, EU, or UK falls, the world economy will completely collapse. It can't handle another major failure in the system at this point. I fear more than just civil war arising these days.
Honestly in my opinion, fuck the EU, the UK should pull out whilst it still can, the EU is nothing but problems and is costing so so many jobs in the UK, another 3 poor countries are set to join the EU this year, where do you think all of it's people will instantly head legally? The UK, this means not only is the UK being dwarfed with migrants it's creating less and less job oppertunitiess for British people. I for one would love a civil war in the UK over this exact thing, I know civil wars kill and are nothing to hope for, but it's the only way the UK will throw all these migrants back to where they came from, open jobs for British people and finally get rid of the shithole called the EU, I've been jobless for 2 years so yes I'm pissed, can't say I'm not trying hard enough either.
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us delicacy : guns and burgers
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LOL
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us delicacy : guns and burgers
us taboo : kinder surprise
welcome to usa
Hey Flaken, I assume you got forum banned and made a new account or..?
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us delicacy : guns and burgers
us taboo : kinder surprise
welcome to usa
Racist stereotyping won't be tolerated on these forums. Take your hatred somewhere else.
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not flaken
not being racist im just saying you guys arent allowing kinder surprise and thats ridiculous in my opinion
Get back on topic. I won't ask nicely again.
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Hey Flaken, I assume you got forum banned and made a new account or..?
i appreciation u comparing me with this righteous man but fuck to u, i am not him.
surely if u say this on me one more time i will report u 2 moderator
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i appreciation u comparing me with this righteous man but f**k to u, i am not him.
surely if u say this on me one more time i will report u 2 moderator
Please use the report function if you have problems with someone's post, and get back on topic. Don't tell users to "**** off".
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I agree, and the rest of the world is not far off. The European Union is going through similar troubles, as are many countries around the world. If a large one like the US, EU, or UK falls, the world economy will completely collapse. It can't handle another major failure in the system at this point. I fear more than just civil war arising these days.
Really? See this is the difference between the Europeans and the Americans. We trust our Government at least to the point where we are saying: "Yeah, don't really care for those guys on top, but they won't start shooting those same people who got them into their power." That's the most basic trust people can have toward their Government and if they don't have that, well the country has failed.
Honestly in my opinion, f**k the EU, the UK should pull out whilst it still can, the EU is nothing but problems and is costing so so many jobs in the UK, another 3 poor countries are set to join the EU this year, where do you think all of it's people will instantly head legally? The UK, this means not only is the UK being dwarfed with migrants it's creating less and less job oppertunitiess for British people. I for one would love a civil war in the UK over this exact thing, I know civil wars kill and are nothing to hope for, but it's the only way the UK will throw all these migrants back to where they came from, open jobs for British people and finally get rid of the shithole called the EU, I've been jobless for 2 years so yes I'm pissed, can't say I'm not trying hard enough either.
Really man? First take a freaking look what kind of jobs those immigrant take away from you. Do you really want to be a handyman or a janitor or work on some shitty factory line. even if your goal is those jobs that immigrants do, do you want to do them having the salary as low as they do? No? Well too bad, welcome to the real world where people want the same shit done with as low cost as possible and immigrants are willing to do this. So, want a job, outsource your skills at the same price as those immigrants do.
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Really? See this is the difference between the Europeans and the Americans. We trust our Government at least to the point where we are saying: "Yeah, don't really care for those guys on top, but they won't start shooting those same people who got them into their power." That's the most basic trust people can have toward their Government and if they don't have that, well the country has failed.
The Collapse of The American Dream Explained in Animation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mII9NZ8MMVM#ws)
In that sense of economy, I don't see much difference...and if I can't trust a country with it's own money, I definitely won't trust it with it's own weapons laws.
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The Collapse of The American Dream Explained in Animation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mII9NZ8MMVM#ws)
In that sense of economy, I don't see much difference...and if I can't trust a country with it's own money, I definitely won't trust it with it's own weapons laws.
That just shows how little you know about economy and how gullible you are to every little conspiracy theory.
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That just shows how little you know about economy and how gullible you are to every little conspiracy theory.
Do your research. I didn't get my facts from that video.
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Both should be locked up at home since they own the gun
No.
I agree, and the rest of the world is not far off. The European Union is going through similar troubles, as are many countries around the world.
No.. Just cause US has a problem doesn't mean every other place in the world has the same problem, so stop thinking that.
If a large one like the US, EU, or UK falls, the world economy will completely collapse. It can't handle another major failure in the system at this point. I fear more than just civil war arising these days.
Last I checked China and India were on top of the world's largest economies list, not the ones you mentioned, UK has already gone broke, if you missed the auctions of some old ships etc by the british royal family to pay off debts.
http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/the-true-cost-of-the-royal-family-explained.html (http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/the-true-cost-of-the-royal-family-explained.html)
and USA isn't far behind either, wait, its actually way way ahead..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210323/Obama-family-costs-taxpayers-1-4BILLION-year.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210323/Obama-family-costs-taxpayers-1-4BILLION-year.html)
*I'm not to be held responsible for whatever the links say, in case anyone finds it offensive*
us delicacy : guns and burgers
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http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101224114952AAItxas (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101224114952AAItxas)
:rofl: I have no idea in what way Sugar finds it racist but its really funny how a kids toy is banned from the country and people are allowed to carry guns in the open. :rofl:
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The gouvernor of Texas said the only way to keep people from shooting children at schools etc, is to pray to God instead of prohibiting weapons. Am I the only one to think this man is incapable for his duties? :poke:
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Do your research. I didn't get my facts from that video.
No no no, this is not how this works. You are trying to prove a point to me, so you shall have to make the first move. So, shall we tango?
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The gouvernor of Texas said the only way to keep people from shooting children at schools etc, is to pray to God instead of prohibiting weapons. Am I the only one to think this man is incapable for his duties? :poke:
I think it was ex-governor.
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Really man? First take a freaking look what kind of jobs those immigrant take away from you. Do you really want to be a handyman or a janitor or work on some shitty factory line. even if your goal is those jobs that immigrants do, do you want to do them having the salary as low as they do? No? Well too bad, welcome to the real world where people want the same shit done with as low cost as possible and immigrants are willing to do this. So, want a job, outsource your skills at the same price as those immigrants do.
I went past a construction site a couple of weeks ago, you know how many British workers I saw there? None.
If that doesn't prove the EU is bad for the UK then I don't know what is, sure the construction company obviously knows they can get minimum wage workers through the EU who are happy to work for the lowest possible money, but theres always British people looking for them jobs and I'de certainly be happy to take one, the EU also wants the UK to get rid of it's own military and create a 'united' military within the EU called the EU Armed Forces (EUAF) which make probibly make the EU the new work superpower when it comes to military power, get lost EU..
And US government, keep your damn nose out of it and stop 'demanding' the UK stay in the EU, go lead your own fucking country or some shit, the US only want the UK to stay in the EU to ruin it and make it some completely un-British mixed race (Not being racist here) shithole, just as they funded the nazi's to help ruin the British Empire, think I'm spreading propaganda bullcrap? Not really, it depends how deeply you look into things, the US has been on the UK's back ever since they gained the super power status and even before that when they were gaining power and the British Empire still existed.
:ps: Jubin I actually would take a 'handyman', cleaner or factory line job, a job is a job no matter how shit it is, something which doesn't come easy today.
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I went past a construction site a couple of weeks ago, you know how many British workers I saw there? None.
If that doesn't prove the EU is bad for the UK then I don't know what is, sure the construction company obviously knows they can get minimum wage workers through the EU who are happy to work for the lowest possible money, but theres always British people looking for them jobs
:ps: Jubin I actually would take a 'handyman', cleaner or factory line job, a job is a job no matter how shit it is, something which doesn't come easy today.
Yes that doesn't prove that EU is bad for the UK, simply proving the point that Eastern Europeans are willing to work harder for less money than British people do and noone should hire people just for the sake of their nationality or race.
:ps: Ah well in your case It's not immigrants problem but rather that you are in the circle of job hell: You won't get a job, because you lack the experience, because you won't get a job...
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No.
No.. Just cause US has a problem doesn't mean every other place in the world has the same problem, so stop thinking that.
Last I checked China and India were on top of the world's largest economies list, not the ones you mentioned, UK has already gone broke, if you missed the auctions of some old ships etc by the british royal family to pay off debts.
http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/the-true-cost-of-the-royal-family-explained.html (http://www.cgpgrey.com/blog/the-true-cost-of-the-royal-family-explained.html)
and USA isn't far behind either, wait, its actually way way ahead..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210323/Obama-family-costs-taxpayers-1-4BILLION-year.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210323/Obama-family-costs-taxpayers-1-4BILLION-year.html)
*I'm not to be held responsible for whatever the links say, in case anyone finds it offensive*
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101224114952AAItxas (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101224114952AAItxas)
:rofl: I have no idea in what way Sugar finds it racist but its really funny how a kids toy is banned from the country and people are allowed to carry guns in the open. :rofl:
1. No? If they own the weapon, why would it be kept at a public shooting range where someone can break in and steal multiple weapons? It would be locked up at home just like their hunting weapons would be.
2. The rest of the world DOES have a problem. The U.S. isn't the one running guns illegally across the world. A lot of countries are. You can't put the blame all on us.
3. His comment was a racial stereotype meant to hurt U.S. users. It doesn't matter if what he was saying is true or not, it's still provoking regardless. Comments like that are not welcome in this community, no matter who's country is being attacked.
No no no, this is not how this works. You are trying to prove a point to me, so you shall have to make the first move. So, shall we tango?
That was meant to be an example. I don't want to get into a political discussion here about the economy. The economic situation discussion was only meant to show a similarity to the gun situation to prove another point about trusting our government, in regards to not having weapons to protect ourselves from them. The video was meant to show that the U.S. is not the only government that can't be trusted.
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Very nice, these laws, but what about the guns that are already in the USA?
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Very nice, these laws, but what about the guns that are already in the USA?
There's not really much that can be done about those since most of them can't be tracked.
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Coincidence that there have been multiple-death shootings less than 6 months apart from eachother, including one where a congresswoman was shot? Nationwide calls for stricter gun control and now Obama's gun-control bill? Fucking planned, it's all fucking planned. I will not say that these shootings are hoaxes or false flag attacks, but why are people surprised this shit happens when the United States continues to bomb the Middle East with drone attacks almost daily? This culture is corrupted and manipulated by people who wish to exploit the masses for their own gain. We will disarm the citizens of the US even more and effectively hand over more power to a government that is nearly omnipotent.
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Coincidence that there have been multiple-death shootings less than 6 months apart from eachother, including one where a congresswoman was shot? Nationwide calls for stricter gun control and now Obama's gun-control bill? f**king planned, it's all f**king planned. I will not say that these shootings are hoaxes or false flag attacks, but why are people surprised this shit happens when the United States continues to bomb the Middle East with drone attacks almost daily? This culture is corrupted and manipulated by people who wish to exploit the masses for their own gain. We will disarm the citizens of the US even more and effectively hand over more power to a government that is nearly omnipotent.
The guy who shot the Congresswoman was mentally unstable, and had a hatred against her specifically. That entire thing was planned out.
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I have checked on the famous 2nd Amendment and as a result got an interesting question for the US citizens.
In the 2nd Amendment only the word 'arms' is used. This means that it refers to any weapon. The problem with this is that currently there are a number of restrictions on weapons (think of a bomb or Apache helicopter) which have been put in place. Also there is no mentioning of restriction by weapons licenses or training.
Does this mean that the 2nd Amendment has already been infringed and those things are in violation of the Constitution?
And if not, why would a further restriction on weapons, or even a ban on guns, violate it?
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An american told me once that he thought US had the best and less abusive democracy. He totally used the liberalism as a word for democracy. In fact, he is totally wrong in many ways, US is known to be the world most liberated people, but without this free gun market, I think they would not be world leading in liberalism either, as liberalism is all about giving the people the choice to do what ever they want, including owning a gun...
Sweden have a really great democracy, but our liberalism is not as high as you possible may see. Example, we need helmet when we need to drive motorbike, we need studded tires on our cars on winter times. If we would remove those things, our liberalism would increase, but people would also die.
I do like the idea of liberalism, but I also think it does not work. The best politic stimulus in my opinion is a mix of politic ideologies. Therefor I think
the americans should remove abit of the liberalism and also work for many more ideologies. Take the swedish parliamentary system as example.
People in United States are offering human lives for something we all call liberalism, is it really worth it is my question?
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and had a hatred against her specifically. That entire thing was planned out.
So his motive was hatred, not because he was mental.
I have checked on the famous 2nd Amendment and as a result got an interesting question for the US citizens.
In the 2nd Amendment only the word 'arms' is used. This means that it refers to any weapon. The problem with this is that currently there are a number of restrictions on weapons (think of a bomb or Apache helicopter) which have been put in place. Also there is no mentioning of restriction by weapons licenses or training.
Does this mean that the 2nd Amendment has already been infringed and those things are in violation of the Constitution?
And if not, why would a further restriction on weapons, or even a ban on guns, violate it?
Alot of gun stores in America have bombs and such, like mortors and grenades, sure you could say 'They have a special license for it' but why do they need them if they cant' sell them because people would need a special license to own them?
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So his motive was hatred, not because he was mental.
Alot of gun stores in America have bombs and such, like mortors and grenades, sure you could say 'They have a special license for it' but why do they need them if they cant' sell them because people would need a special license to own them?
What is this, Somalia? Grenades and motars are completely illegal to civilians. The ones you do see in stores are duds, or sometimes called paperweight.
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What is this, Somalia? Grenades and motars are completely illegal to civilians. The ones you do see in stores are duds, or sometimes called paperweight.
Then why do gun stores have mortars and grenades? I know you shouldn't believe everything on TV, but theres alot of programmes made round US gun stores, and that seems to show them owning and using mortars and such at shooting ranges.
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I have checked on the famous 2nd Amendment and as a result got an interesting question for the US citizens.
In the 2nd Amendment only the word 'arms' is used. This means that it refers to any weapon. The problem with this is that currently there are a number of restrictions on weapons (think of a bomb or Apache helicopter) which have been put in place. Also there is no mentioning of restriction by weapons licenses or training.
Does this mean that the 2nd Amendment has already been infringed and those things are in violation of the Constitution?
And if not, why would a further restriction on weapons, or even a ban on guns, violate it?
Technically arms refers to firearms, however the federal government isn't the one that restricts these weapons directly. Most of the firearms laws are statewide, and exceptions to the Amendment should have been added to the Constitution as Amendments themselves. State laws and federal laws are enforced separately, so states could theoretically have completely different laws that only they could enforce or ignore, but the federal government could still enforce or ignore them in federal situations too.
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Technically arms refers to firearms, however the federal government isn't the one that restricts these weapons directly. Most of the firearms laws are statewide, and exceptions to the Amendment should have been added to the Constitution as Amendments themselves. State laws and federal laws are enforced separately, so states could theoretically have completely different laws that only they could enforce or ignore, but the federal government could still enforce or ignore them in federal situations too.
1. The Amendment clearly says 'arms' and not 'firearms'. One would think the people who wrote it would place such restriction if they wanted.
2. I believe that States are not allowed to pass laws that violate the Constitution. If I am incorrect please tell.
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1. The Amendment clearly says 'arms' and not 'firearms'. One would think the people who wrote it would place such restriction if they wanted.
2. I believe that States are not allowed to pass laws that violate the Constitution. If I am incorrect please tell.
1. Keep in mind that this was written circa 1776, so their definition of weapons back then was very limited compared to today.
2. Yes and no. Legally they cannot infringe on rights granted by the Constitution, however there are exceptions where states can pass their own laws which restrict certain things, as per their own State Constitutions. It's a little hard to explain, and I honestly find it a bit stupid to have such a system.
An example of the federal and state conflict would be something like how California allows medical marijuana with a doctor's prescription, but the federal government still deems marijuana in any form completely illegal. The federal government can still arrest people for using it in California should they choose to, however the state can't if it's used legally according to state law.
However, if this were the opposite situation and the federal government allowed it, and the state didn't, then you would likely have a very serious situation from which the federal government would step in and force them to change the state law.
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Saw an ad on facebook today, which directed me to this page -
https://www.facebook.com/KylesGunshop?sk=timeline (https://www.facebook.com/KylesGunshop?sk=timeline)
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Saw an ad on facebook today, which directed me to this page -
https://www.facebook.com/KylesGunshop?sk=timeline (https://www.facebook.com/KylesGunshop?sk=timeline)
Many businesses have Facebook pages now. They are all trying to keep up with the advertising hype of social media. It likely isn't the only gun shop listed on there.
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Many businesses have Facebook pages now. They are all trying to keep up with the advertising hype of social media. It likely isn't the only gun shop listed on there.
Dude, like their page and check pictures! They have more guns than all GTA games ammunations combined!
Even Auto MP5 and every type of gun you can imagine!
The fuck are those guns doing in public?
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Dude, like their page and check pictures! They have more guns than all GTA games ammunations combined!
Even Auto MP5 and every type of gun you can imagine!
That is because the state they exist in allows the purchase of such weaponry. Not all states, and the gun stores within them, will have the same selections.