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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => World and local news => Topic started by: Antonio. on January 20, 2013, 03:22:38 pm
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In the Albanian populated town of Preshevo in Southern Serbia, was added a monument in November 2012 in memory of the guerrillas who fought Serbian forces during the insurgency in the Preshevo Valley from 1999 to 2001. The monument included the names of the 28 soldiers killed during the insurgency as well as the coat of arms of the UCPMB (Albanian: Ushtria Çlirimtare e Presheves, Medvegjes dhe Bujanocit - English: Liberation Army of Preshevo, Medveda and Bujanovac.) The monument was placed in front of Preshevo's town hall in the town's center.
The government in Belgrade stated two months ago that the monument was illegal and should be removed by the Ethnic Albanians in Preshevo, just after Albania's 100th year celebration of independence, which was also celebrated in Preshevo. The government in Belgrade claims the monument is a provocation, although there are similar serbian monuments in Kosovo. Belgrade stated that "a memorial to an organisation of terrorists is not allowed." Fourteen young Serbs from Krushevc, Shabac and Belgrade were stopped near Nis on December 24, 2012 as they were heading to Preshevo to destroy the monument. The group claimed they were just visiting the city, but three from the group were in violation due to having metal weapons. The rest of them were released
After many deadlines and threats being given from the government in Belgrade, the monument was removed today by serbian special forces sent from Belgrade at around 7:00 AM. There were over 200 policemen in the center of Preshevo as the monument was being removed by bulldozers. Tensions have now rosen even more in Preshevo and former UCPMB commander Orhan Rexhepi told the reporters at the scene that this is a "historic day" and that he thanks Serbia "for giving Albanian councilors in three municipalities in southern Serbia a reason to voice their opinion on territorial autonomy."
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The monument:
(http://www.preshevajone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/permendorrj.jpg)
Monument being removed:
Aksioni i xhandarmerisë serbe gjatë largimit të lapidarit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHvfL_z2yXg#)
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To be honest, I do not see why killing your brother deserves a monument.
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To be honest, I do not see why killing your brother deserves a monument.
Elaborate.
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If they want to honor people that killed serbians they should move away from Serbia. It kinda sucks that their ethnically albanian city is under Serbia, but their country, their rules. Everyone would be against this if, say, some muslim minority praised 9/11 in the United States.
Of course I'm speaking from an uneducated point of view I hardly know anything about albanians in Serbia
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If they want to honor people that killed serbians they should move away from Serbia. It kinda sucks that their ethnically albanian city is under Serbia, but their country, their rules. Everyone would be against this if, say, some muslim minority praised 9/11 in the United States.
Of course I'm speaking from an uneducated point of view I hardly know anything about albanians in Serbia
Yes, but if you look at it like this, their rules are nothing but discrimination, because there's a similar monument in memory of the Serbian soldiers in a village of Bujanovac, which has an absolute Albanian majority. If that monument in Preshevo was a provocation, and was added where there are 99 percent Albanians, why is it allowed for a Serbian monument to be added in an area of 99 percent Albanians rather than adding it in where there a majority of Serbians? And yes, I do understand "their country, their rules" but to keep the ethnic tensions low and for Serbia to get closer to EU (let's not mention the problem with Kosovo) things can't be going on like this...
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The memorial monument was dedicated to an official registered terrorist organization.
Every country in the world would do the same on its soil, no matter who's ethnic majority is present there.
There's over 2000 destroyed Serbian Churches and Monasteries most of them older then 800-900 years on Kosovo who's currently not under Serbian Government power yet by Albanian majority leaders, and this is just a monument of an officially registered terrorist organization.
I also think the problem was since the monument was placed infront of the City Hall, downtown Preshevo, they should have just placed it on the cemetary or some similiar place.
Also there's the fact that the monument was illegally build, without following the law procedure for it.
Post Merge: January 20, 2013, 05:55:07 pm
Also pointing this out one more time, for those who might have 'missed' it.
This topic is not to show hatred against one another but just to discuss the situation and give opinions. Any flaming and unnecessary provoking will be reported. If you are going to comment "remove this topic because it is a sensitive subject" then don't post nor view the topic.
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The memorial monument was dedicated to an official registered terrorist organization.
Yes, I am sure to Serbia anyone who fights back or for freedom is a terrorist, and the civilians that are killed are terrorists and criminals, including the ones who are under an adult age. Or they can be a hero only if they did something like Ratko Mladic did...
Every country in the world would do the same on its soil, no matter who's ethnic majority is present there.
Alright, let's see how it would feel if Gazimestan or the monument similar in Mitrovica which is similar to the one that was in Preshevo.
There's over 2000 destroyed Serbian Churches and Monasteries most of them older then 800-900 years on Kosovo who's currently not under Serbian Government power yet by Albanian majority leaders, and this is just a monument of an officially registered terrorist organization.
Oh, Mosques were never destroyed by the Serbs? What happened to all those Mosques in those other Southern Serbia cities like in Nis, which is now all Serbs and only one mosque left, which is also ready to fall down?
I also think the problem was since the monument was placed infront of the City Hall, downtown Preshevo, they should have just placed it on the cemetary or some similiar place.
When you do that, we'll consider it.
Also there's the fact that the monument was illegally build, without following the law procedure for it.
And that fact is? There's also the fact where a Serb created the names of the soldiers, their birthday, date they died and where they were from on the monument...
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Yes, I am sure to Serbia anyone who fights back or for freedom is a terrorist, and the civilians that are killed are terrorists and criminals, including the ones who are under an adult age. Or they can be a hero only if they did something like Ratko Mladic did...
You need to search for the definition of terrorist organization. Serbia delivered Ratko Mladic to the International Law Tribunal, your version of 'Ratko Mladic' aka Hashim Tachi is president of the unrecognised country Kosovo.
UCBMP was a terrorist organization who did terrorist acts mostly on civilian targets. Armies fight other Armies, its a big difference. And it was on CIA list of terrorist organization as well as on UN list, not on Serbia list only.
Alright, let's see how it would feel if Gazimestan or the monument similar in Mitrovica which is similar to the one that was in Preshevo.
Gazimestan is a religion monument that's old since the Kosovo battle of 1389. This is a monument of a terrorist organisation. You can't compare those two things, besides when Gaizmestan was build, there was no Albanians on Kosovo.
Oh, Mosques were never destroyed by the Serbs? What happened to all those Mosques in those other Southern Serbia cities like in Nis, which is now all Serbs and only one mosque left, which is also ready to fall down?
When you do that, we'll consider it.
2 Mosques were attacked in the entire territory of Serbia, after the massacres that happen to Kosovo Serbs in 2004.They were rebuild the same way. They're still there, open and working. That's not the case with over 2000 Churches/Monasteries who're protected by UNESCO cause its world's heritage. Not only that no one is rebuilding them, they're turned into public toilets, stable for cows/horses, and every attempt from individuals or Church, to ask permission to rebuild them is denied.
And that fact is? There's also the fact where a Serb created the names of the soldiers, their birthday, date they died and where they were from on the monument...
I dont see what's your point. When ever you wanna build something, you need construction permission, building permission, aka following the law procedure for it. None of it was done, and it was a 'wild built' called officially in the law.
Many peoples houses and such got removed cause of it, its the law you gotta follow it.
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Elaborate.
I do not care if you call yourself Albanians, Serbians or Clownians. You all have been living there for the last 1000 years or so. And I am pretty sure that there is not a single family that does not have a member on the 'other side' somewhere. Wish to fight over who has the better imaginary friend? Stop calling it ethnic fights and tell that you want your religion to rule.
Russia has 136 ethnic groups and all religions of the world (though some are forbidden). While we often know ehtnic background from the name, we do not roll in the streets trying to separate all in to their own mountain.
Europe is doing its best to unite in order to stop the pointless fighting over little pieces of land, and you do the opposite. Time to reach the 21st century.
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You need to search for the definition of terrorist organization. Serbia delivered Ratko Mladic to the International Law Tribunal, your version of 'Ratko Mladic' aka Hashim Tachi is president of the unrecognised country Kosovo.
Yes and you only hid him for what, 16 years? And the only reason you delivered him because you were informed that if he was caught, it would get Serbia closer to the EU. Other than that, you still find his terrorism acts as a heroic thing, which is why you hid him in the first place. Hashim Thaci didn't target both men and boys because of their religion, try again. Also, he's prime minister, not the president.
UCBMP was a terrorist organization who did terrorist acts mostly on civilian targets. Armies fight other Armies, its a big difference. And it was on CIA list of terrorist organization as well as on UN list, not on Serbia list only.
Actually no, UCPMB targeted Serbian police and army. This was triggered after all the stuff Serbs were doing to ethnic Albanians in Kosovo before UCK or UCPMB ever even formed. Yes, that's why our leaders ran away from the Hague in order not to face war crime charges[sarcasm].
Gazimestan is a religion monument that's old since the Kosovo battle of 1389. This is a monument of a terrorist organisation. You can't compare those two things, besides when Gaizmestan was build,
Other monuments that I stated still stay in question.
there was no Albanians on Kosovo.
LoL.
2 Mosques were attacked in the entire territory of Serbia, after the massacres that happen to Kosovo Serbs in 2004.They were rebuild the same way. They're still there, open and working. That's not the case with over 2000 Churches/Monasteries who're protected by UNESCO cause its world's heritage. Not only that no one is rebuilding them, they're turned into public toilets, stable for cows/horses, and every attempt from individuals or Church, to ask permission to rebuild them is denied.
False. I'll make my statement specific about Nis. Out of the 24 Mosques that were in Nis, there's one left, and like I already stated, it's ready to fall down to dust. And if I'm informed right, I don't believe that many mosques existing on today's date in that area. It's an eye for an eye, you don't get what you want when doing someone else any better.
I dont see what's your point. When ever you wanna build something, you need construction permission, building permission, aka following the law procedure for it. None of it was done, and it was a 'wild built' called officially in the law.
Many peoples houses and such got removed cause of it, its the law you gotta follow it.
Yes, these laws were followed with your monuments? It was added in front of the town hall, in which the Albanian leaders added it there, not just a group of Albanians who want to show their nationalistic side.
I do not care if you call yourself Albanians, Serbians or Clownians. You all have been living there for the last 1000 years or so. And I am pretty sure that there is not a single family that does not have a member on the 'other side' somewhere. Wish to fight over who has the better imaginary friend? Stop calling it ethnic fights and tell that you want your religion to rule.
Russia has 136 ethnic groups and all religions of the world (though some are forbidden). While we often know ehtnic background from the name, we do not roll in the streets trying to separate all in to their own mountain.
Europe is doing its best to unite in order to stop the pointless fighting over little pieces of land, and you do the opposite. Time to reach the 21st century.
We are all aware that there is no such thing as pure blood, but we still represent our nationality and our people, if we don't that, anyone can step on us, and I'm not just speaking for Albanians here. Actually religion has nothing to do with it, especially considering Albanians are not only Muslims...
Europe is doing its best to unite in order to stop the pointless fighting over little pieces of land, and you do the opposite. Time to reach the 21st century.
Past and following events are the reason. Things won't change, it's bad blood that's been going on for longer than you think.
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Sorry to say, but that is tribal mentality. Believing you must rule others in order to have influence is forgetting that you will get what you gave.
Look at Israelian-Palestine and you know that you are the same.
Unable to think or understand that only by working togehter you will advance.
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I do not care if you call yourself Albanians, Serbians or Clownians. You all have been living there for the last 1000 years or so.
Nope.
And I am pretty sure that there is not a single family that does not have a member on the 'other side' somewhere. Wish to fight over who has the better imaginary friend? Stop calling it ethnic fights and tell that you want your religion to rule.
Elaborate.
Russia has 136 ethnic groups and all religions of the world (though some are forbidden). While we often know ehtnic background from the name, we do not roll in the streets trying to separate all in to their own mountain.
Chechenia. Almost the same story.
Europe is doing its best to unite in order to stop the pointless fighting over little pieces of land, and you do the opposite. Time to reach the 21st century.
We've been uniting when Europe was separating. But it wasn't someone interest to have a strong country like Yugoslavia was.
And don't get me wrong, my intention in correcting you isn't based in my believing in opposite of what you're talking about. Mine and Antonio's friendship, and the fact I trust him more then I trust myself sometimes, proves that. And knowing him, he has the same opinion.
So both of us are and many more people in our lives, are a live proof that we're all thinking the way you described.
Yes and you only hid him for what, 16 years? And the only reason you delivered him because you were informed that if he was caught, it would get Serbia closer to the EU. Other than that, you still find his terrorism acts as a heroic thing, which is why you hid him in the first place. Hashim Thaci didn't target both men and boys because of their religion, try again. Also, he's prime minister, not the president.
He was hiding since the 'democratic' revolution in 2000. The Government of Serbia had a warrant on him since then. And again, Serbian Parlament has condemned his acts as war crimes, and not only that one, yet all that happen in Ex-Yugoslavia.
Yes Hashim 'Snake' Thaci targeted organ translations from the kidnapped Serbs, and earned a lot of money in the most grossed way possible. Don't give lectures to someone if you're even worst then him. In Srebrenica all the victims were shot, not slaughtered organ per organ.
Actually no, UCPMB targeted Serbian police and army. This was triggered after all the stuff Serbs were doing to ethnic Albanians in Kosovo before UCK or UCPMB ever even formed. Yes, that's why our leaders ran away from the Hague in order not to face war crime charges
They entire UCPMB ran as soon as Crvene Beretke announced they're being deployed to that area. Your leaders on Kosovo are the biggest Drug Lords in Europe, we all know that, and lets not be hypocrite about it.
Other monuments that I stated still stay in question.
Like?
LoL.
Go check it out yourself. Let me highlight that for you: "On Kosovo" as a region, not today's Kosovo with Metohija. Kosovo region is north from Prishtina, everything south and south-west is Metohija.
False. I'll make my statement specific about Nis. Out of the 24 Mosques that were in Nis, there's one left
Are you talking about the period of 200 years ago? Since there's one mosque in Nis last who got attacked, rebuild, and open. Those weren't Albanian Mosques anyway.
and like I already stated, it's ready to fall down to dust.
They were rebuild the same way. They're still there, open and working.
And if I'm informed right, I don't believe that many mosques existing on today's date in that area. It's an eye for an eye, you don't get what you want when doing someone else any better.
They never did. If it was eye for an eye, we would burn down everything until we reach Istanbul mate.
Yes, these laws were followed with your monuments?
In which case exactly? If they're not removed then probably yes. How can you not understand a simple law fact, that you can't build something without pappers, contracts, permission to do it?
"Hey guys lets just get bricks and build a house" You can't do that just like that.
It was added in front of the town hall, in which the Albanian leaders added it there, not just a group of Albanians who want to show their nationalistic side.
It has no place to be infront of Town Hall which represents Republic of Serbia. Imagine Ratko Mladic's monument in front of Town Hall of Srebrenica. Or Al Quaida's monument in NY. You must be realistic about things, there's no country in the world that wouldn't do the same.
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Also let me give you a personal heads up. Only reason why our pussy ass politicians had the cojones to remove it, is cause your Albanian Leaders received money and benefits to 'swallow' that.
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Chechenia. Almost the same story.
We've been uniting when Europe was separating. But it wasn't someone interest to have a strong country like Yugoslavia was.
And don't get me wrong, my intention in correcting you isn't based in my believing in opposite of what you're talking about. Mine and Antonio's friendship, and the fact I trust him more then I trust myself sometimes, proves that. And knowing him, he has the same opinion.
So both of us are and many more people in our lives, are a live proof that we're all thinking the way you described.
Chechhnya is a Muslim problem. You want to call it the same?
The reason Yugoslavia collapsed was mainly because there was no longer a strong government that could unite the differences. The problem with autocratic leadership is that it removes others with capabilities, so if the leader falls away the country is left to the dogs.
The friendship you and Antonia have is proof that the differences are nothing that can not be settled.
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Chechhnya is a Muslim problem. You want to call it the same?
Kosovo is the holy land of Orthodox Christians, just like Meka and Medina is the holy land of Muslims, Jerusalem is the holy land of Jews, and Vatikan is the holy land of Catholics. Albanians are traditional deducted Muslims.
It does have a religion aspect as well.
The reason Yugoslavia collapsed was mainly because there was no longer a strong government that could unite the differences. The problem with autocratic leadership is that it removes others with capabilities, so if the leader falls away the country is left to the dogs.
And the reason that happen is:
Weight of Chains | NEW TRAILER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qi50Mun4RA#ws)
I recommend you watch it, its quite good
The Weight of Chains | Težina lanaca (2010) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waEYQ46gH08#ws)
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Kosovo is the holy land of Orthodox Christians, just like Meka and Medina is the holy land of Muslims, Jerusalem is the holy land of Jews, and Vatikan is the holy land of Catholics. Albanians are traditional deducted Muslims.
It does have a religion aspect as well.
As said, stop calling it an ethnic conflict and show it for what it is. A war of religion.
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Its both ethnic and religion conflict. And nobody is denying that.
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Its both ethnic and religion conflict. And nobody is denying that.
I haven't researched this topic well enough to give a clear reply, but you may be looking for the phrase "cultural conflict", since that would include both ethnic and religious background in the situation. Not sure if it helps your discussion or not, but I figured it'd be worth mentioning. :)
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He was hiding since the 'democratic' revolution in 2000. The Government of Serbia had a warrant on him since then. And again, Serbian Parlament has condemned his acts as war crimes, and not only that one, yet all that happen in Ex-Yugoslavia.
Yet it's already been stated many times before that Serbia did not try to stop the situation in Bosnia, they just aided it. Also, big coincidence that he's "found" not a long after EU announces that proposal to Serbia.[/quote]
Yes Hashim 'Snake' Thaci targeted organ translations from the kidnapped Serbs, and earned a lot of money in the most grossed way possible. Don't give lectures to someone if you're even worst then him. In Srebrenica all the victims were shot, not slaughtered organ per organ.
Yes, Ramush Haradinaj did that as well, as Serbia claims. Yet he didn't run from the Hague nor be found guilty of the accused crimes. And if it was that public and nicely proved to the whole world with evidence that these claims are true, like Mladic's case, then action would be taken.
They entire UCPMB ran as soon as Crvene Beretke announced they're being deployed to that area. Your leaders on Kosovo are the biggest Drug Lords in Europe, we all know that, and lets not be hypocrite about it.
Okay? They were still having clashes with the Serbian forces. Not only in Preshevo, but the most biggest ones were in villages of Bujanovac. As for that statement about the leaders, refer to what I wrote above.
Like?
The one in Mitrovica is a good example.
Go check it out yourself. Let me highlight that for you: "On Kosovo" as a region, not today's Kosovo with Metohija. Kosovo region is north from Prishtina, everything south and south-west is Metohija.
Yes, and in that area a fort of Dardania with the name Besiana dates back to the 6th century, around the time when the Slavs were just coming to the Balkan Peninsula. It comes from the writing of Procopius of Caesarea, you probably heard or read about him.
Are you talking about the period of 200 years ago? Since there's one mosque in Nis last who got attacked, rebuild, and open. Those weren't Albanian Mosques anyway.
Nope, years after the Ottoman Empire fell. The time where Albanians were a bigger majority in the area of Nis, but they were ethnically cleansed and thousands were sent to Turkey and or force to flee in other areas, mainly Kosovo. In the area in the middle of Nis and Vranje, there was Albanian minority, all the way down to Kosovo.
They never did. If it was eye for an eye, we would burn down everything until we reach Istanbul mate.
I don't have any doubt that you don't want to do that, but too bad it's not that easy and nearly impossible.
In which case exactly? If they're not removed then probably yes. How can you not understand a simple law fact, that you can't build something without pappers, contracts, permission to do it?
I understand, but it's funny these laws were easily passed when an exact same monument was added for the Serbs in the village of Lucane in Bujanovac which has 99.9 percent Albanians.
"Hey guys lets just get bricks and build a house" You can't do that just like that.It has no place to be infront of Town Hall which represents Republic of Serbia. Imagine Ratko Mladic's monument in front of Town Hall of Srebrenica. Or Al Quaida's monument in NY. You must be realistic about things, there's no country in the world that wouldn't do the same.
The town hall represents the town of Preshevo. We have our own government, our own votings and our own leaders. These rights were won back in 2001. The ones that represent The Republic of Serbia are the bigger heads in Belgrade. And it was not added in a place where Serbians were slaughtered or something, like in those two examples you just stated.
Also let me give you a personal heads up. Only reason why our pussy ass politicians had the cojones to remove it, is cause your Albanian Leaders received money and benefits to 'swallow' that.
What ex. UCPMB commander Orhan Rexhepi said to the reporters while the monument was taken down speaks for itself. "This is an historic day for the Albanians in Preshevo", "I thank Serbia for giving Albanian councilors in three municipalities in southern Serbia a reason to voice their opinion on territorial autonomy."
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Removed.
Build them a monument.
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Build them a monument.
Not sure if they have the budget to build a monument.
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Stefan, do not post extreme graphic images like those again.
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Stefan, do not post extreme graphic images like those again.
Why? It's just the people who deserve a monument.
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Why? It's just the people who deserve a monument.
The issue was the dead human head.
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Why? It's just the people who deserve a monument.
I don't have to see what you posted, but don't act like Serbs are anywhere close to innocent.
Protest in Preshevo, today.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/775052_538382876186412_1879851312_o.jpg)
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I don't have to see what you posted, but don't act like Serbs are anywhere close to innocent.
There was a picture of KLA members holding chopped off heads.
Serbs are terrorists:
(http://www.vreme.com/g/images/432451_68-9_1998.jpg)
Also, what about the orthodox graveyards being destroyed now. We removed your monument without any damage on it.
(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/554485_573407479354447_996413727_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/46286_398578996901661_1237201086_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/184718_391921767567855_1429817117_n.jpg)
Destroyed Orthodox cemetery in Kosovo by Albanians (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VVgkTPSeRM#)
And the monument to national liberation fighters in WWII was destroyed
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/735060_482929115101258_2088985500_n.jpg)
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Albanians are having a larger hatred towards Serbs. Look at the churches and monastaries they have destroyed. Then compare it to our situation. Serbia has mosques and as you can see in the video the monument was not brutally destroyed.
Like Cofiliano said Kosovo is the holy land of Orthodox Christians. Look at what Stefan posted.
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There was a picture of KLA members holding chopped off heads.
http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/warcrimes.htm (http://www.alb-net.com/warcrimes-img/warcrimes.htm)
The link contains extreme graphical images. If you have a low heart, don't view the content of the website.
Serbs are terrorists:
(http://www.vreme.com/g/images/432451_68-9_1998.jpg)
You offer someone a bottle of water and expect to be crowned king of the world? Sorry, it doesn't go like that. Your damage isn't and never will be forgotten.
Also, what about the orthodox graveyards being destroyed now. We removed your monument without any damage on it.
(http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/554485_573407479354447_996413727_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/46286_398578996901661_1237201086_n.jpg)
(http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/184718_391921767567855_1429817117_n.jpg)
Destroyed Orthodox cemetery in Kosovo by Albanians (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VVgkTPSeRM#)
And the monument to national liberation fighters in WWII was destroyed
(http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/735060_482929115101258_2088985500_n.jpg)
Removing it was more than enough damage. Ruining a memorial for soldiers who died for the freedom and safety of their people is more than enough damage and very emotional.
When Dacic said that he would come to Preshevo and remove the monument with bulldozers, Prishtina replied and said "we also have bulldozers that we can use in our republic". So, that was your fault. I don't really agree with the graveyard incident, but hey, now you understand how important that monument was, not only to the Albanians in Preshevo, but to all Albanians.
Post Merge: January 21, 2013, 11:24:24 pm
Albanians are having a larger hatred towards Serbs. Look at the churches and monastaries they have destroyed. Then compare it to our situation. Serbia has mosques and as you can see in the video the monument was not brutally destroyed.
Like Cofiliano said Kosovo is the holy land of Orthodox Christians. Look at what Stefan posted.
Having a larger hatred? Who started the hatred just after the fall of the Ottoman Empire? We didn't do that damage "just for the lolz", you sparked the fire. Yes, probably that holy just for Serbs. What mosques?
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Obviously with no offense; but do you think removing a monument is worse than having churches and graveyards destroyed?
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Kosovo is the holy land of Orthodox Christians.
Hell, since when raising monuments to terrorists, dont bullshit me that they are "libernators" or "freedom fighters", they commited crime agains humanity, and heck you raise them a god damn monument, in Serbia?
Fuck that, might as well make a monument about Al Quaeda in Boston or a monument to honor the Nazi Germany in Sant Petersburg.
Churches and graveyards we're assaulted and desimated by, some (not everyone) but some albanians the past night.
The ending of the monument was predicted, it was raised intentionally to aspire the conflicts between the Kosovian Serbs and Kosovian Albanians.
Wanna make a monument about "libernators"? Make it in your own country/city/backyard.
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Obviously with no offense; but do you think removing a monument is worse than having churches and graveyards destroyed?
You provoke, you get hit. No matter what damage is being returned.
Hell, since when raising monuments to terrorists, dont bullshit me that they are "libernators" or "freedom fighters", they commited crime agains humanity, and heck you raise them a god damn monument, in Serbia?
f**k that, might as well make a monument about Al Quaeda in Boston or a monument to honor the Nazi Germany in Sant Petersburg.
Churches and graveyards we're assaulted and desimated by, some (not everyone) but some albanians the past night.
The ending of the monument was predicted, it was raised intentionally to aspire the conflicts between the Kosovian Serbs and Kosovian Albanians.
Wanna make a monument about "libernators"? Make it in your own country/city/backyard.
What crimes did they create? Fighting the terrorists off their people who've been killing them for years is terrorism? Is heroism what Mladic did? Those two examples can't really be compared to this one.
Sure, we'll do that when you remove yours in the areas of Kosovo where you're still a majority, let alone the areas where you're not. Until then, be quiet.
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You provoke, you get hit. No matter what damage is being returned.
According to this sentence we can destroy Mekka now.
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By the way, here's our monument that was "lightly damaged".
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/19416_538837862807580_1912559756_n.jpg)
Post Merge: January 21, 2013, 11:38:00 pm
According to this sentence we can destroy Mekka now.
In Mekka, Muslims from all around the word go and do their religious servings, it's like no where near comparable to Kosovo. On Kosovo, it's only that so important for you. I don't see other countries with Orthodox Religion giving so much of a shit for Kosovo like you. Making Kosovo so important in a religious aspect is like making any other country so important because it holds one religion that a majority of the country practices.
Also, in Kllokot the graves were damaged by Albanians. 27 of them, because the monument that was removed from Preshevo had 27 names of the soldiers inducted into the memorial. Other ones have already been proved that Gypsies did it and a 48 year old Gypsie was arrested for destroying Serb graves and stealing some stones for personal gain.
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Uhm, arsen, rape, human firearm narcotics traffiking, murder is not counted as terorrism? Okay ill throw a frag or two at by passers and rape their deas bodies, i mean thats not terorrism.
Serbian millitary operations were to protect the serbs in Kosovo from the Albanian 'libernators'.
Everyone knows that you libernate by shooting at civilians, rapeing,arsen... Yeah, learn some facts bud'.
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Uhm, arsen, rape, human firearm narcotics traffiking, murder is not counted as terorrism? Okay ill throw a frag or two at by passers and rape their deas bodies, i mean thats not terorrism.
Serbian millitary operations were to protect the serbs in Kosovo from the Albanian 'libernators'.
Everyone knows that you libernate by shooting at civilians, rapeing,arsen... Yeah, learn some facts bud'.
Killing children is heroism to you? The poisonings in Prizren, that was to "protect the serbs?". Check that link I posted, maybe you'll open your eyes for once and learn that Serbs are no where near to innocent.
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Killing children is heroism to you? The poisonings in Prizren, that was to "protect the serbs?". Check that link I posted, maybe you'll open your eyes for once and learn that Serbs are no where near to innocent.
Aw, well budd the same kids had fraggmentational grenades and possed guns, so sure its okay for the kids to shoot people.
Yes, the Serbian effort in thr war was heroic for meu, atleast our
president didnt use to chop open woman and kids for organs.
Albanian nationalism ftw xd putting your pretty links wont replace all the shit you did during the war.
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Yeah, learn some facts bud'.
...maybe you'll open your eyes for once...
...putting your pretty links wont replace all the shit you did during the war.
All of you watch the wording please. This doesn't need to get provocative.
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Both sides committed war crimes. It doesn't matter in the war, both sides are wrong. They must work in a common path from now on or the future generations will finish what the old started.
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there was no Albanians on Kosovo.
Can't be, Albania has a lot taken part since the 1st war world even that they have their own independent state...
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Sure, we'll do that when you remove yours in the areas of Kosovo where you're still a majority, let alone the areas where you're not. Until then, be quiet.
Tony don't be a retard and compare removal of a monument dedicated to SOLDIERS as you say who were nothing but terrorists, and that fact isn't coming from Serbia, yet by the entire fucking world including your keeper that you like so much USA and NATO have them registered and consider them a terrorist fucking organization, with destroying Serbian graveyards and churches that's happening last couple of days.
-In the village of Klokot near Vitine 27 Serbian graves were destroyed- 20.jan. 2013, 21:28
-On the Orthodox Graveyard in the village of Priluzje, district Bucitrn last night around 23:00CET, the biggest chapel of the family Andjelkovic was blown up with dynamite. Cause of the powerful explosives parts of the blown chapel were found in the surrounding fields. Acces to the cemetery is not allowed, because its believed that there are other graveyards that are mined.
-On the Orthodox Cemetary in Miloshevo, there was several graves digged up and ruined, and the local chapel was burn down.
-Over 50 graves were ruined and destroyed on the Orthodox Cemetary in Prizren.
This is all last 48hours, and you're addressing us with bs? I didn't even add the facts you destroyed a monument dedicated to anti-fascistic heroes just because Serbs build that up. You dont even let the dead rest in peace, so don't be a fucking hypocrite and bs us with 'eye for an eye' story cause blowing up and digging up graveyards is the most gross and disgusting thing, its fucking sadistic.
And all of you, stop fucking talking about the past, the war, who did what, cause this isn't a topic for it, and the war is fucking over long time ago, yet from all your writing a man would think its still going on, this is a topic about the removal of the Monument in Preshevo and its consequences stick to the subject, not Serbs vs Albanians war/fight/debate on Kosovo/etc.
Post Merge: January 22, 2013, 02:13:45 pm
]In Mekka, Muslims from all around the word go and do their religious servings, it's like no where near comparable to Kosovo. On Kosovo, it's only that so important for you. I don't see other countries with Orthodox Religion giving so much of a shit for Kosovo like you. Making Kosovo so important in a religious aspect is like making any other country so important because it holds one religion that a majority of the country practices.
That's because you dont know nothing on Orthodox Religion, every Orthodox nation has its own independent church yet they're connected true Orthodox brotherhood, every nation among them has its own 'Pope', each nation has its own holy Orthodox places of their own and Kosovo has the biggest amount and the oldest Orthodox churches/monasteries in the world.
We fucking had a religion aspect on Kosovo 800 years ago, it was our holy land back then, it is today, and it will always be, no matter what happens, not last 50 years when you guys took majority on it. And you know all of this good enough, so dont you even attempt questioning does Kosovo for us have a 'religious aspect' or did we 'make it important', cause those things are facts that everyone knows, and you're doing nothing then insulting our religion in claiming otherwise.
Post Merge: January 22, 2013, 02:20:09 pm
P fucking S: Last night a Serbian house in Pec(Peja) was burn down, thank God there were no casualties...
So is this an 'eye for an eye'? After destroying, burning, digging up graves and churches last 48 h, people and their houses started getting attacked, cause of a ONE army monument who were a terrorist group...
If this is an eye for an eye, you'll see what happen when your time is up.
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Aw, well budd the same kids had fraggmentational grenades and possed guns, so sure its okay for the kids to shoot people.
Yes, the Serbian effort in thr war was heroic for meu, atleast our
president didnt use to chop open woman and kids for organs.
Albanian nationalism ftw xd putting your pretty links wont replace all the shit you did during the war.
Yes, five year olds went out to to fight the Serbian army. Dude, be fucking realistic. Right, he just had "heros" like Mladic do it for him...
Enough about the subject.
And all of you, stop f**king talking about the past, the war, who did what, cause this isn't a topic for it, and the war is f**king over long time ago, yet from all your writing a man would think its still going on, this is a topic about the removal of the Monument in Preshevo and its consequences stick to the subject, not Serbs vs Albanians war/fight/debate on Kosovo/etc.
Tony don't be a retard and compare removal of a monument dedicated to SOLDIERS as you say who were nothing but terrorists, and that fact isn't coming from Serbia, yet by the entire f**king world including your keeper that you like so much USA and NATO have them registered and consider them a terrorist f**king organization, with destroying Serbian graveyards and churches that's happening last couple of days.
Dude, you're trying to mix my words and think that those inducted in the memorial were terrorists for me? If that was the case, I wouldn't give one shit about the situation. Those "terrorists" helped their people get more rights in Southern Serbia, because if that didn't happen, Albanians would still be getting cut with chainsaws in Serbia caffes, being beaten and discriminated by police.
-In the village of Klokot near Vitine 27 Serbian graves were destroyed- 20.jan. 2013, 21:28
-On the Orthodox Graveyard in the village of Priluzje, district Bucitrn last night around 23:00CET, the biggest chapel of the family Andjelkovic was blown up with dynamite. Cause of the powerful explosives parts of the blown chapel were found in the surrounding fields. Acces to the cemetery is not allowed, because its believed that there are other graveyards that are mined.
-On the Orthodox Cemetary in Miloshevo, there was several graves digged up and ruined, and the local chapel was burn down.
-Over 50 graves were ruined and destroyed on the Orthodox Cemetary in Prizren.
This is all last 48hours, and you're addressing us with bs? I didn't even add the facts you destroyed a monument dedicated to anti-fascistic heroes just because Serbs build that up. You dont even let the dead rest in peace, so don't be a f**king hypocrite and bs us with 'eye for an eye' story cause blowing up and digging up graveyards is the most gross and disgusting thing, its f**king sadistic.
This is showing you about how fed up people are with your shit and discrimination. Like I said, you sparked the fire. Am I happy about this? No, because I can't even picture myself breaking down graves. But, you need to wake up and remember this is 2013, not some decades ago where Albanians were just as important as dogs in your country.
Post Merge: January 22, 2013, 02:13:45 pm
That's because you dont know nothing on Orthodox Religion, every Orthodox nation has its own independent church yet they're connected true Orthodox brotherhood, every nation among them has its own 'Pope', each nation has its own holy Orthodox places of their own and Kosovo has the biggest amount and the oldest Orthodox churches/monasteries in the world.
Yet my statement still stands where your "orthodox brothers" really show the same interest for Kosovo as you do.
We f**king had a religion aspect on Kosovo 800 years ago, it was our holy land back then, it is today, and it will always be, no matter what happens, not last 50 years when you guys took majority on it. And you know all of this good enough, so dont you even attempt questioning does Kosovo for us have a 'religious aspect' or did we 'make it important', cause those things are facts that everyone knows, and you're doing nothing then insulting our religion in claiming otherwise.
Good for you, but too bad Kosovo is not in your control anymore, nor will it ever be. Last 50 years? Let me get a good laugh out of that. Quite frankly I don't care about what religion has to do with any of the Serbian-Albanian situation. And yes, the part of "making it important" is true, just for your advantage or argument.
Post Merge: January 22, 2013, 02:20:09 pm
P f**king S: Last night a Serbian house in Pec(Peja) was burn down, thank God there were no casualties...
So is this an 'eye for an eye'? After destroying, burning, digging up graves and churches last 48 h, people and their houses started getting attacked, cause of a ONE army monument who were a terrorist group...
If this is an eye for an eye, you'll see what happen when your time is up.
As your argue you continue to make the same provocations and then ask "why is all this happening around us". You need to wake up one day and see things more clearly, because right now, you don't.
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You didn't give a single answer on your 'eye for an eye' bullshit. You're justifying and making it equal in attacking people and their houseses, destroying churches and blowing up graveyards last 48 hours, with removal of a one monument who was illegally build and dedicated to soldiers who committed war crimes in that same country. That's fucking sick mate, and I know you're aware of it.
Also our Orthodox Brothers give enough shit, that Kosovo is still a illegal self-proclaimed colony, and not even close or will ever be a country, cause our 'Orthodox Brothers who dont give a shit' will never allow you guys coming close to UN, not to mention becoming a member.
And when it comes to people this is how much 'they dont give a shit'..
Kosovo is Serbia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh__P4ynXjk#)
Ultras: Kosovo is Serbia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzbS7iWqYhE#)
Over 200 ultra groups from Russia, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Belarus, Ukraine, but not only from Orthodox countries yet from Poland, Slovakia, Chech Republic, Spain, France etc...
And they all sound something like this:
Kosovo is Serbia(F.C.D.K.-F.C.D.D.) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPNFbzOaIOA#)
Bulgarian ultras - Kosovo is Serbia Ubij Siptara (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bMg7co4xII#)
some of them are making protests in their own country to show how much they 'dont give a shit'
Poland fans -Kosowo jest Serbskie ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDOWJOTyy2M#)
Slovak brothers protesting the independence of "Kosovo" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swcyzCmhoeM#)
and some of them went to Kosovo to show how much they 'dont give a shit'
Kosovo je srce Srbije! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9XxFCTR9kA#)
Not to mention how many Greeks and Russians and from other Orthodox countries, volunteers were fighting on Kosovo, not for Radical Islamic hegemony like you were getting volunteers from Al Quaida, who basicly made your 'freedom fighters" terrorist group, who's monument was removed
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You are avoiding the issue.
You have to face and accept that burning houses, churches and attacking people because your terrorist monument got removed is sick and retarded as f*ck. I wonder when counter-action will be taken so you have a feeling what it's like.
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You didn't give a single answer on your 'eye for an eye' bullshit. You're justifying and making it equal in attacking people and their houseses, destroying churches and blowing up graveyards last 48 hours, with removal of a one monument who was illegally build and dedicated to soldiers who committed war crimes in that same country. That's f**king sick mate, and I know you're aware of it.
It is eye for an eye, especially in a situation like Serbia-Albania. If you shoot me today and I survive, then tomorrow I must just kill you, or vice-versa. It doesn't have to be equal, you sparked it, now that happened. If you had not of ruined the memorial, nothing would've happened. Again, continuing with the provocation that started the whole problem.
Also our Orthodox Brothers give enough shit, that Kosovo is still a illegal self-proclaimed colony, and not even close or will ever be a country, cause our 'Orthodox Brothers who dont give a shit' will never allow you guys coming close to UN, not to mention becoming a member.
And when it comes to people this is how much 'they dont give a shit'..
Kosovo is Serbia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh__P4ynXjk#)
Ultras: Kosovo is Serbia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzbS7iWqYhE#)
Over 200 ultra groups from Russia, Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Belarus, Ukraine, but not only from Orthodox countries yet from Poland, Slovakia, Chech Republic, Spain, France etc...
And they all sound something like this:
Kosovo is Serbia(F.C.D.K.-F.C.D.D.) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPNFbzOaIOA#)
Bulgarian ultras - Kosovo is Serbia Ubij Siptara (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bMg7co4xII#)
some of them are making protests in their own country to show how much they 'dont give a shit'
Poland fans -Kosowo jest Serbskie ! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDOWJOTyy2M#)
Slovak brothers protesting the independence of "Kosovo" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swcyzCmhoeM#)
and some of them went to Kosovo to show how much they 'dont give a shit'
Kosovo je srce Srbije! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9XxFCTR9kA#)
Nice, we got 98 countries who recognize The Republic of Kosovo, we got our own constitution, our own leaders and you have no saying in Kosovo nor have any control of it. So, take your own advice that you said to me and accept that "The Kosovo Saga is over". What's even more funny, some those countries recognize Kosovo as a republic, so head to the football topic in the speakerbox section, because you look confused.
Not to mention how many Greeks and Russians and from other Orthodox countries, volunteers were fighting on Kosovo, not for Radical Islamic hegemony like you were getting volunteers from Al Quaida, who basicly made your 'freedom fighters" terrorist group, who's monument was removed
Right, you didn't need to since you had Serbian terrorists already from the start... Good for you, we also had volunteers from other countries as well, like Bosnia and Croatia.
You are avoiding the issue.
You have to face and accept that burning houses, churches and attacking people because your terrorist monument got removed is sick and retarded as f*ck. I wonder when counter-action will be taken so you have a feeling what it's like.
Never denied it. About time you start accepting the facts and not just point fingers. Too bad you will never do that, even after the world has seen what the truth really is. We've went through much worst pain from you, so much that we'd probably just be invulnerable to it.
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Nice, we got 98 countries who recognize The Republic of Kosovo, we got our own constitution, our own leaders and you have no saying in Kosovo nor have any control of it. So, take your own advice that you said to me and accept that "The Kosovo Saga is over". What's even more funny, some those countries recognize Kosovo as a republic, so head to the football topic in the speakerbox section, because you look confused.
The amount that voted for independence was not even close to the majority (which is legally needed).
Only shows in what corrupted world we live in.
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The amount that voted for independence was not even close to the majority (which is legally needed).
Only shows in what corrupted world we live in.
But the larger majority voted independence, which sounds like a fair vote IMO.
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But the larger majority voted independence, which sounds like a fair vote IMO.
What..?
The amount that voted for independence was not even close to the majority
Aka not even 50 percent of the countries voted for independence.
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What..?Aka not even 50 percent of the countries voted for independence.
Wrong. There are 193 countries in the UN, out of the 193, 98 recognize Kosovo. Do the math.
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Wrong. There are 193 countries in the UN, out of the 193, 98 recognize Kosovo. Do the math.
Yes, while first there were 88 or something supporting independence.
What I meant to say is despite Russian protests to stop the voting, it continued like Russia has no say. Which is what I meant with the world we live in comment.
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While I understand that you are all in a heated debate, I have already warned you all that provocative comments won't be allowed. Flaming is included in that. Keep your posts civil and don't attack one another if you wish to continue this discussion.
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While I understand that you are all in a heated debate, I have already warned you all that provocative comments won't be allowed. Flaming is included in that. Keep your posts civil and don't attack one another if you wish to continue this discussion.
Please note that flaming is only when it is directed towards a person. Directed towards a persons actions or statements it is not.
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lawl guys you dont even have idea what's going on down here.
I live in south Serbia near Kosovo. Well in my city there is not a single Albanian guy, they all got back. And 15km away from me is city Bujanovac wich is 48% populated by Albanians. Around Bujanovac there is ultra mega giga special forces of Serbia like SAJ, JSO... Because of that many peoples started moving away or going back to Albania. Albanians keep claiming Serbian city as their only because they are protected by U.S.A atm tbh i would like to see them without their support ...
Currently they are saying that there is 2mil Albanians on Kosovo, bullshit, there are like 800k wich is normal, like they are imigrants. And imagine if my whole city populates part of e.g Hungary and claim that as Serbia or make it as new country.
And also I see you are saying how more than 50% countries voted for Kosovo independence, well think about it. Will Montenegro where 70% peoples say that they are Serbians vote for independence, would Macedonia do that?!? No, U.S.A forced em to do that like all other countries.
And that about monumentum did you read post name? "in Albanian populated town in Southern Serbia lawl . Let's build monumentum for Japanese kamikazes who suicided in Perl Harbor, yeah why not, they were heroes of their country?
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lawl guys you dont even have idea what's going on down here.
The irony...
I live in south Serbia near Kosovo. Well in my city there is not a single Albanian guy, they all got back. And 15km away from me is city Bujanovac wich is 48% populated by Albanians. Around Bujanovac there is ultra mega giga special forces of Serbia like SAJ, JSO... Because of that many peoples started moving away or going back to Albania. Albanians keep claiming Serbian city as their only because they are protected by U.S.A atm tbh i would like to see them without their support ...
What town you live in? Nis, Vranje? There was Albanians there too at one time, though they were all ethnically cleansed. Bujanovac is 55-60 percent Albanians, while the rest are Serbs and Gypsies. Exact amount isn't known since there wasn't a census made in a while. But, Albanians are larger in numbers there. Lol, you don't know anything about the southern cities populated by Albanians, after WWII when more aggression was put on Albanians by the Serbs, riots gathered and men with just melee weapons tried to fight off armed police men. This was in the late 40's and early 50's. So, no, we aren't claiming these cities as ours just yesterday.
Currently they are saying that there is 2mil Albanians on Kosovo, bullshit, there are like 800k wich is normal, like they are imigrants. And imagine if my whole city populates part of e.g Hungary and claim that as Serbia or make it as new country.
There isn't two million but just over 1.7 million. Too bad Albanians were there long ago, you just going there and populating it is a whole different thing.
And also I see you are saying how more than 50% countries voted for Kosovo independence, well think about it. Will Montenegro where 70% peoples say that they are Serbians vote for independence, would Macedonia do that?!? No, U.S.A forced em to do that like all other countries.
FYROM and Montenegro have large Albanian minority as well as Albanian political parties. Not to mention the other minorities also wanted to recognize Kosovo. In FYROM, you already know the situation.
And that about monumentum did you read post name? "in Albanian populated town in Southern Serbia lawl . Let's build monumentum for Japanese kamikazes who suicided in Perl Harbor, yeah why not, they were heroes of their country?
Yes, same town where you gave rights to those Albanians and promised equal rights after signing the treaty in 2001. Looks like those promises aren't being fulfilled. That's also not thing the same as this situation...
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It's a funny thing if you remember Carla del Ponte, she was sent to prove that Serbs committed crimes, while she found out the situation is reversed.
Just remember the so called "yellow house".
Maybe you've heard of 10 Serbs who have been arrested on the orthodox Christmas. Well I don't really know what did they do with them, but one of them has been released sterilized.
@Antonio - Albanians on KosMet request the same rights that Serbs have there. Well, if you want to be treated like animals you're free to do it.
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What town you live in? Nis, Vranje? There was Albanians there too at one time, though they were all ethnically cleansed. Bujanovac is 55-60 percent Albanians, while the rest are Serbs and Gypsies. Exact amount isn't known since there wasn't a census made in a while. But, Albanians are larger in numbers there. Lol, you don't know anything about the southern cities populated by Albanians, after WWII when more aggression was put on Albanians by the Serbs, riots gathered and men with just melee weapons tried to fight off armed police men. This was in the late 40's and early 50's. So, no, we aren't claiming these cities as ours just yesterday.
I live in Vranje, there wasn't Albanians btw, and if there was maximum- 10-50
I know about other cities that are populated and whatever you say they are on Serbian territory and they are immigrants ATM.
There isn't two million but just over 1.7 million. Too bad Albanians were there long ago, you just going there and populating it is a whole different thing.
Just was waiting from you to post smth like this,
Explain me why are they avoiding to be listed. My friend asked one and he told him that other Albanians said that they don't want to have names I.E without Q because there is no Q in Serbian, for real is that a reason!? They just want to keep old number of peoples.
FYROM and Montenegro have large Albanian minority as well as Albanian political parties. Not to mention the other minorities also wanted to recognize Kosovo. In FYROM, you already know the situation.
Lol, i got family in Montenegro and ask peoples on street where are they from, 70% of them will you Serbia there was poll if you dont belive me,
And about Macedonia, whole north Macedonia is like part of Serbia, so please...
No one will like any Albanian in Serbia. Once America stops spectating, there wont be a single Albanian on Kosovo/Serbia, I am sure in that.
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Keep Calm And Love GOLD AG!!!
Po dhelpnat dinake neper mengjese kur vijn
Mledhen pak si shum se a kthehen nuk e dijn !
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Tom,
This is Argonath RPG, official language here is English, no posts in foreign language.
And whatever you said you should write it on English.
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It's a funny thing if you remember Carla del Ponte, she was sent to prove that Serbs committed crimes, while she found out the situation is reversed.
Just remember the so called "yellow house".
Never has been proved. I would like to know how she knew this kind of information? Was she present while this happened? Just a propaganda. If her evidence could be proven and considering her former position in the Hague, she would've been able to do something in court.
Maybe you've heard of 10 Serbs who have been arrested on the orthodox Christmas. Well I don't really know what did they do with them, but one of them has been released sterilized.
They disrespected police. A investigation is to be launched, plus I don't see how exactly you can be beaten in a court house with other witnesses there, including the judge. No judiciary bodies accepted any of these claims. That's another subject anyways, we can talk about that in a separate topic when it's been fully looked into.
@Antonio - Albanians on KosMet request the same rights that Serbs have there. Well, if you want to be treated like animals you're free to do it.
Your statement doesn't make sense. Why would we be asking for more rights in Kosovo?
I live in Vranje, there wasn't Albanians btw, and if there was maximum- 10-50
That's because this was years before you and I were born. Albanians in the Toplica area were all ethnic cleansed. 20-25 percent of Albanians in Kosovo can retrace their roots to this area.
I know about other cities that are populated and whatever you say they are on Serbian territory and they are immigrants ATM.
Just was waiting from you to post smth like this,
Explain me why are they avoiding to be listed. My friend asked one and he told him that other Albanians said that they don't want to have names I.E without Q because there is no Q in Serbian, for real is that a reason!? They just want to keep old number of peoples.
You don't know the meaning of "immigrant". Those people have generations and generations that live there and you call them "immigrants"? LoL.
Dude, what the fuck are you talking about? Names listed in what, censuses? That's called boycotting, and the Albanians in the south did that for the Serbian census. I hope you were talking about that, because I don't really understand what you're talking about.
Lol, i got family in Montenegro and ask peoples on street where are they from, 70% of them will you Serbia there was poll if you dont belive me,
And about Macedonia, whole north Macedonia is like part of Serbia, so please...
And I also got cousins in Montenegro, lol. Yes, that's why through a voting they separated from you, and that's why their ethnic group of "Montenegrin" holds 45-50 percent of the population. North FYROM can't be "like part of Serbia". Either it is, or it isn't. You're posting complete non-sense...
No one will like any Albanian in Serbia. Once America stops spectating, there wont be a single Albanian on Kosovo/Serbia, I am sure in that.
You'll wake up from this dream one day.
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Aleanca Kuq e Zi dhe disa student kosovar dhe shqiptar kan vendosur qe do ta rindertojn monumentin nga e para :D
:ps: Sry For Albanian
Red and Black Alliance and some Albanian and Kosovo students have decided to rebuild The monument again :D
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Yes, while first there were 88 or something supporting independence.
What I meant to say is despite Russian protests to stop the voting, it continued like Russia has no say. Which is what I meant with the world we live in comment.
When was it 88? I think you're trying to debate about something you really have no clue about. Russia has a say for their own country and probably for their allies, but they can't force the whole world to not recognize Kosovo.
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Our government needed to react immediately and take down this monument, but they waited for too long and albanians ,again, started their media war.
Did you Really think that we just gonna sit back and look, and not take it as a provocation?
There is more then 20 monuments in southern Serbia that were build in honor of other killed terrorist but not one was build in front of the city hall, be happy that only this one was removed.
Almost every day you can hear about our cemetery's being vandalized and they never catch those pity souls that do it, so I don't know why are you bitching about.A couple of nights ago monument raised in honor of Serbian kids that were killed in NATO bombing was damaged, someone actually shoot at it.Look at yourself before you start pointing fingers.
You are not stronger then the State and it's Law.
And we all remember this church, one out of many
Unistavanje Srpske Crkve u Podujevo od strane siptarskih ekstremista Mart 18 2004 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33lN9-3mr6w#)
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There is more then 20 monuments in southern Serbia that were build in honor of other killed terrorist but not one was build in front of the city hall, be happy that only this one was removed.
Almost every day you can hear about our cemetery's being vandalized and they never catch those pity souls that do it, so I don't know why are you bad girling about.A couple of nights ago monument raised in honor of Serbian kids that were killed in NATO bombing was damaged, someone actually shoot at it.Look at yourself before you start pointing fingers.
20 monuments? Like which ones? A tombstone of a dead UCPMB soldier isn't a monument, it's a tombstone. You sparked the fire, bringing over 200 soldiers in Presevo to take one monument down and soldiers laughing as the camera as pointed at them. That's what we're bitching about. You now know that discrimination can happen on your people as well.
You are not stronger then the State and it's Law.
I hope one day, you will take your own advice.
And we all remember this church, one out of many
Unistavanje Srpske Crkve u Podujevo od strane siptarskih ekstremista Mart 18 2004 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33lN9-3mr6w#)
Ah yes, Podujevo, the same town where Serbian Army slaughtered 19 women and children. The same massacre that was proven in the court and the perpetrators were punished for it.
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It is eye for an eye, esurvive, then tomorrow I must just kill you, or vice-versa.
No its not, its bullshit. The things going on at the moment has nothing to do with 'eye for an eye'. Only with pure hatred and shamless attacks on people.
It doesn't have to be equal
It is eye for an eye
Nice, we got 98 countries who recognize The Republic of Kosovo
Incorrect.
we got our own constitution
Incorrect.
, our own leaders
Yes known war lords, and biggest dealers in Europe-fact.
and you have no saying in Kosovo nor have any control of it.
Incorrect, try going to North Kosovska Mitrovica and see what happens.
So, take your own advice that you said to me and accept that "The Kosovo Saga is over".
You just dont get it.. The moment the NATO/USA stoppes protecting you and that moment is gonna definitly happen in the future cause of the geo-political path the world is going, we can finish the "Kosovo problem" in 72h and we're not gonna be the only one in the region cleaning up the problems.
What's even more funny, some those countries recognize Kosovo as a republic, so head to the football topic in the speakerbox section, because you look confused.
Can't since Kosovo isn't a country, it can't participate in any UEFA or FIFA competitions, which means I wont find anything about it in the football topic. Sucks..
Right, you didn't need to since you had Serbian terrorists already from the start... Good for you, we also had volunteers from other countries as well, like Bosnia and Croatia.
And you completly got fucked together with all of them. UCK had nothing then complete defeats in every equal army vs army fight, cause of which they went doing terrorist attacks, teached by Al Quaida.
About time you start accepting the facts and not just point fingers. Too bad you will never do that, even after the world has seen what the truth really is. We've went through much worst pain from you, so much that we'd probably just be invulnerable to it.
Yes the same world that in general denies the fact that Kosovo is a country.
You didnt even feel 10 percent of the pain we been trough last 100 years. And our pain is different cause we didnt stood behind some other country and begged to be colonized like you did, we stood strong alone and fought the entire NATO, while you were getting raped in the military aspect.
You're talking complete and utter bs, and you're constantly spining the facts that can not be more clear, and in teh same time you're justifiying dugging up graves, blowing up churches, attacking people's houses, and mining the chapels, cause of a one monument that was removed cause it was illegally there. I said already, that's fucking sick and you know it.
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No its not, its bullshit. The things going on at the moment has nothing to do with 'eye for an eye'. Only with pure hatred and shamless attacks on people.
Oh, same hatred Serbia and Milosevic showed after the break-up of Yugoslavia?
Incorrect.
Elaborate.
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The Constitution of the Republic of Kosovo. It exists, doesn't matter how much you want to deny it.
Yes known war lords, and biggest dealers in Europe-fact.
Yep, because that's what the court has proven.
Incorrect, try going to North Kosovska Mitrovica and see what happens.
What happens? It's territory of The Republic of Kosovo, police are there defending your people, be lucky.
You just dont get it.. The moment the NATO/USA stoppes protecting you and that moment is gonna definitly happen in the future cause of the geo-political path the world is going, we can finish the "Kosovo problem" in 72h and we're not gonna be the only one in the region cleaning up the problems.
72 hours would be ethnic cleansing like in 1999 right? Even though this is a dream for you, you proved a lot of statements of mine from this comment.
Can't since Kosovo isn't a country, it can't participate in any UEFA or FIFA competitions, which means I wont find anything about it in the football topic. Sucks..
Having to do with the team and it's allowance has nothing to do with the content you posted. So, let me re-state that for you and you might understand me this time, go post about your ultra groups in the football topic, the same ones which are from countries that recognized Kosovo.
And you completly got f**ked together with all of them. UCK had nothing then complete defeats in every equal army vs army fight, cause of which they went doing terrorist attacks, teached by Al Quaida.Yes the same world that in general denies the fact that Kosovo is a country.
What has defeat have to do with terrorist attacks? First you deny the fact they even fought with armies, now you contradict yourself. Go be proud of yourself somewhere, where it really matters and where you're less butt-hurt.
You didnt even feel 10 percent of the pain we been trough last 100 years. And our pain is different cause we didnt stood behind some other country and begged to be colonized like you did, we stood strong alone and fought the entire NATO, while you were getting raped in the military aspect.
Hahahahahah, you mad bro. That's exactly why you're throwing stupid provocations, and it shows you have nothing else to do rather than boast about complete non-sense.
You're talking complete and utter bs, and you're constantly spining the facts that can not be more clear, and in teh same time you're justifiying dugging up graves, blowing up churches, attacking people's houses, and mining the chapels, cause of a one monument that was removed cause it was illegally there. I said already, that's f**king sick and you know it.
Same way you justify not only war crimes in Kosovo, but also other countries in the Balkan. And once again, take your own advice.
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20 monuments? Like which ones? A tombstone of a dead UCPMB soldier isn't a monument, it's a tombstone. You sparked the fire, bringing over 200 soldiers in Presevo to take one monument down and soldiers laughing as the camera as pointed at them. That's what we're bad girling about. You now know that discrimination can happen on your people as well.
call them what ever you want tombstones by the sides of the road, and a lot of them, albanian flags in southern Serbia and that ugly monument in Presevo, those were the first sparks ..How are you not ashamed to talk about discrimination when our people are being discriminated every day down there.
Also Cofi opening borders with Kosovo and returning it this moment wouldn't be the smartest thing, as you said the war lords, and biggest dealers in Europe are there, they would infect us like a plaque , cleaning it all the way to Adriatic sea should be our primary.Again NATO wont be there forever to guard them..
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Lol, Nikos. I won't even bother replying to that immature shit.
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I don't need you to answer me, that's just a honest opinion ,maybe a bit ruff because of your provocations ,but everyone here have a same opinion like me ;)
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Oh, same hatred Serbia and Milosevic showed after the break-up of Yugoslavia?
How can you put a name of a country, a name of a dictator who ruled 22 years ago, in the same context with the angry mob who's burning people houses down in 2013, in the period of peace, blowing up their cemeteries not letting the death rest in peace, destroying a anti-fascistic monument, all cause of a monument removal dedicated to a terrorist group?
You make no sense at all, you're just throwing out random things when ever I prove you completely wrong and incorrect about your statements.
Face it, you attempted justifying this from the start with the sentences and approach 'an eye for an eye', and when it turned out to be nothing but a reason for a massive attacks and human life's were getting in danger, you pull out some bs from the past like 'Milosevic, Mladic, Serbia, Bla bla"
Do you want me to do that? Do you really think I dont have much more material to shut your mouth on those subject about the last 100 years of Serb-Albanian problem? With no offense or provoke intended bro.
-How bout we talk about SS division Skenderbeg and the crimes who were so disgusting that their German mentors were vomiting?
-How bout we talk about Fascistic Albanian army crimes committed during the same occupation of Kosovo in WWII?
-How bout we talk about the fact, that your biggest national leaders are the biggest heroin drug lords in Europe?
-How bout we talk about it, how proud you are on them cause of it?
-How bout we talk about that your current Prime Minister earned millions in cutting off organs from POW and kidnapped civilians for years, more then 300 people??
-How bout we talk about the fact, that your "Albanian Freedom Fighting Army" and the rest of Albanian terrorist groups in the entire Balkan were all made, financed, build, developed, supplied by Al Quiada?
-How bout we talk about the fact, that Serbs and Croats got more illirian blood in their DNA then you guys?
-How bout we talk about Djordje Kastrioti aka Skenderbeg, the biggest national hero of Albanians, who was a child from the Serbian Royal Family Kastriotic, given birth by a serbian mother, wrote and talked on serbian cyrilic, was the biggest financier and developer since Stefan Nemanja of the most holy Serbian monastery Hilandar , married to a Serbian woman, gave Serbian names to his childs, etc?
-How bout we talk about the fact that 80 percent of today's Kosovo's Albanians don't have a background on Kosovo older then last 60 years?
Do you want me to start jumping around this subjects like you're doing when ever you dont have a reasonable answer to provide?
Keep the Pandora Box closed, and stick to the bloody topic >Removal of the Monument and its consequences.
Elaborate.
Oman, Sao Tome, Guinea-Bissau and Principe has removed their recognition of Kosovo as independent country last 2 months.
The Constitution of the Republic of Kosovo. It exists, doesn't matter how much you want to deny it.
You and Me can write down the consitituion of our street, doesnt mean its valid. Fact is No one on Kosovo has any sovergnity or real political power, except USA.
Yep, because that's what the court has proven.What happens? It's territory of The Republic of Kosovo, police are there defending your people, be lucky.
Actually its not. Police is from the EULEX, all Government institutions in the North Kosovo are Serbian Government Institution who's under Serbia's Government System, not Prishtine's.
72 hours would be ethnic cleansing like in 1999 right? Even though this is a dream for you, you proved a lot of statements of mine from this comment.Having to do with the team and it's allowance has nothing to do with the content you posted.
72 hours is how long your 'freedom fighting' army would last in a direct duel with our Army. The same what Crvene Beretke did to UCPBM.
So, let me re-state that for you and you might understand me this time, go post about your ultra groups in the football topic, the same ones which are from countries that recognized Kosovo.
You talked bs about our Orthodox Brothers, you got screwed with facts, links, videos, pictures, you tell me where to go.
You're the one who's definitly in need of more re-search on the subjects you wanna debate with people, before throwing random untrue statements which you can't backup with any proves/facts.
What has defeat have to do with terrorist attacks? First you deny the fact they even fought with armies, now you contradict yourself. Go be proud of yourself somewhere, where it really matters and where you're less butt-hurt.
Go read more about the military aspect of UCK vs Serbian Army during the Kosovo war, cause its obvious you don't know anything about it, or you wouldn't post such non sense.
And about the butt-hurt part, says the guy justifying attacking people, in danger their life, burning their houses, blowing up their graveyards cause of a one stone monument.
Hahahahahah, you mad bro. That's exactly why you're throwing stupid provocations, and it shows you have nothing else to do rather than boast about complete non-sense.
You're the one started it. You open this topic and started the shitstorm in this particular way. I was being a genuine gentlmen until you didnt started opening the Pandora Box that you yourself said on the beginning of the topic, people shouldn't do.
Same way you justify not only war crimes in Kosovo, but also other countries in the Balkan. And once again, take your own advice.
I didn't meet anyone who justified any war crimes.. So I don't know what's your propaganda telling you this days about 'Bad Serbs' but if you're gonna be a fool and believe that, and then use it to justified the riots and witch hunting of ghetto's in which Serbs live this days on Kosovo, and all cause of one stone monument of a terrorist organization, then be my guest.
But don't come back here, and tell me how I or anyone here justified any war crimes anywhere, cause that's an insult and you should have know better.
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How can you put a name of a country, a name of a dictator who ruled 22 years ago, in the same context with the angry mob who's burning people houses down in 2013, in the period of peace, blowing up their cemeteries not letting the death rest in peace, destroying a anti-fascistic monument, all cause of a monument removal dedicated to a terrorist group?
Because you're trying to show nothing but innocents even when your dictator was committing crimes not only in one country, but several. And you can stop saying "terrorist group" every time because I'm not even taking that seriously.
You make no sense at all, you're just throwing out random things when ever I prove you completely wrong and incorrect about your statements.
Lol, or the other way around? All my comments stayed on topic but were just presented with another situation...
Face it, you attempted justifying this from the start with the sentences and approach 'an eye for an eye', and when it turned out to be nothing but a reason for a massive attacks and human life's were getting in danger, you pull out some bs from the past like 'Milosevic, Mladic, Serbia, Bla bla"
Again, because you think this was nothing and that they are heroes even though you know the crimes they did. And like I said, it stayed on topic but was just on the same topic which was specifically "crimes".
Do you want me to do that? Do you really think I dont have much more material to shut your mouth on those subject about the last 100 years of Serb-Albanian problem? With no offense or provoke intended bro.
Come with the propaganda, bro.
-How bout we talk about SS division Skenderbeg and the crimes who were so disgusting that their German mentors were vomiting?
It's true, but let's not mention the ethnic cleansing of Albanians just before and after Ottoman Empire, which was mainly the cause of participation with the Nazi. On other hand, not all Albanians were for the SS division, a lot of them even fought alongside with Serbs against the Nazis.
[-How bout we talk about Fascistic Albanian army crimes committed during the same occupation of Kosovo in WWII?
You were doing that years before. Please tell me how many Albanians you expelled and sent to Turkey?
-How bout we talk about the fact, that your biggest national leaders are the biggest heroin drug lords in Europe?
We can do that once it's proven.
-How bout we talk about it, how proud you are on them cause of it?
Yes, I will be getting a tattoo of Ramush Haradinaj on my chest soon.
-How bout we talk about that your current Prime Minister earned millions in cutting off organs from POW and kidnapped civilians for years, more then 300 people??
Sure, once it's proven.
-How bout we talk about the fact, that your "Albanian Freedom Fighting Army" and the rest of Albanian terrorist groups in the entire Balkan were all made, financed, build, developed, supplied by Al Quiada?
Bullshit, it had foreign support from countries like Germany and Switzerland. Do you even know how much many Albanians given from foreign countries in order to fund the KLA? Now, once again, we can talk about it when it's proven, which will never be because it's a propaganda.
-How bout we talk about the fact, that Serbs and Croats got more illirian blood in their DNA then you guys?
LoL. Yep, that's why the extinct language of Illyrian has not died out in only one language, and that's Albanian, also the same extinct language that was spoken in the areas of today's Albania. And your statement is some-what true, though Croats have much more Illyrian blood than Serbs.
-How bout we talk about Djordje Kastrioti aka Skenderbeg, the biggest national hero of Albanians, who was a child from the Serbian Royal Family Kastriotic, given birth by a serbian mother, wrote and talked on serbian cyrilic, was the biggest financier and developer since Stefan Nemanja of the most holy Serbian monastery Hilandar , married to a Serbian woman, gave Serbian names to his childs, etc?
This shows how ignorant you are and how much jealousy you have. Skanderbeg is known as an ALBANIAN NATIONAL HERO by the whole f**king world, though Serbia wants to make others believe that Skanderbeg was a Serb. It could be true that his mother was a Serb, but there's a lot of theories that she was either Albanian, Serbian, Bulgarian, Macedonian etc. And even if she was a Serb, that doesn't make Skanderbeg a Serbian. Kastrioti is a known Albanian Royal Family, but only claimed by you to be a Serbian one. Skanderbeg knew Albanian, Serbian, Greek, Bulgarian, Latin, Turkish and Italian. Correct me I'm wrong, at this time Serbian was written mostly in Cyrillic, not like today where it's often seen written with the Latin alphabet. Also, my father can speak Serbian fluently and even write in Cyrillic, does that make him a Serb? This was where Albanians were all fully christian and orthodox names were common and even today, you can go to Albania and you will see Albanians with orthodox names, but written in Albanian equivalents, same like Serbia does it with their equivalents and Greek with theirs. Mix relations existed, which was very common at that time. And let's not even mention Skanderbeg was the creator of the League of Lezhe, which included ALBANIAN PRINCIPALITIES which formed the FIRST ALBANIAN UNIFIED STATE. Because Skanderbeg is like the second Alexander the Great, doesn't mean you to try to claim he's a Serb just because of your jealousy of what he did as an Albanian.
-How bout we talk about the fact that 80 percent of today's Kosovo's Albanians don't have a background on Kosovo older then last 60 years?
LoL. The Dardanian Kingdom, nothing more has to be stated.
Do you want me to start jumping around this subjects like you're doing when ever you dont have a reasonable answer to provide?
My statements stayed on same topic, just different situations. You on the other hand stated false information which are probably only 5% correct.
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Oman, Sao Tome, Guinea-Bissau and Principe has removed their recognition of Kosovo as independent country last 2 months.
Only Nigeria, Uganda and Sao Tomeo are disputed.
You and Me can write down the consitituion of our street, doesnt mean its valid. Fact is No one on Kosovo has any sovergnity or real political power, except USA.
Let's say your statement was correct, you think that even the USA would think that constitution was invalid? You think it would of broke away from Serbia without a new constitution? Kosovo doesn't go by Serbian laws, so call it invalid all you want.
Actually its not. Police is from the EULEX, all Government institutions in the North Kosovo are Serbian Government Institution who's under Serbia's Government System, not Prishtine's.
Yes but also Kosovo police have duties to guard the bridge. Enjoy that while you have it, because Mitrovica is Kosovo territory and blocked by Kosovo border, not the other way around.
72 hours is how long your 'freedom fighting' army would last in a direct duel with our Army. The same what Crvene Beretke did to UCPBM.
Time will tell. Again, butt-hurt and talking about so called "military victories".
You talked bs about our Orthodox Brothers, you got screwed with facts, links, videos, pictures, you tell me where to go.
Screwed with Ultra Groups? LOL. Ask your brothers why they recognized Kosovo.
You're the one who's definitly in need of more re-search on the subjects you wanna debate with people, before throwing random untrue statements which you can't backup with any proves/facts.Go read more about the military aspect of UCK vs Serbian Army during the Kosovo war, cause its obvious you don't know anything about it, or you wouldn't post such non sense.
Which is? Yes, because everything you posted is nothing but true... This military aspect still has nothing to do with you contradicting yourself nor any connection with the last statement...
And about the butt-hurt part, says the guy justifying attacking people, in danger their life, burning their houses, blowing up their graveyards cause of a one stone monument.
I'm not the one boasting about military victories, which were most of the time massacres.
You're the one started it. You open this topic and started the shitstorm in this particular way. I was being a genuine gentlmen until you didnt started opening the Pandora Box that you yourself said on the beginning of the topic, people shouldn't do.
You provoked with your comments and I fought back with situations on your side that have the same connection and relations to the current problem.
I didn't meet anyone who justified any war crimes.. So I don't know what's your propaganda telling you this days about 'Bad Serbs' but if you're gonna be a fool and believe that, and then use it to justified the riots and witch hunting of ghetto's in which Serbs live this days on Kosovo, and all cause of one stone monument of a terrorist organization, then be my guest.
But don't come back here, and tell me how I or anyone here justified any war crimes anywhere, cause that's an insult and you should have know better.
I think you've never met yourself, Cofi. The same person who thinks what Mladic did is right and not wrong, same person who thinks kids who got killed in Kosovo is not wrong. Also, it's not just you, but also others claiming that all Albanians killed in Kosovo are terrorists.
Killing children is heroism to you?
Aw, well budd the same kids had fraggmentational grenades and possed guns, so sure its okay for the kids to shoot people.
We both know how this subject is for both of us, and let's be happy there is no direct hatred being thrown and the debate is pretty peaceful.
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