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Title: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Batta on January 29, 2013, 02:06:43 pm
The Boys Scouts of America has said it may overturn its ban on gay members and leaders, and allow local units to choose their own policies on the issue.

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The policy reversal could come once the national board meets next week.

Only last year, the Boys Scouts of America (BSA) reaffirmed its ban on gay members, after a two-year review.

In 2000, the organisation went to the US Supreme Court, saying its policy of "morally straight" conduct fell within its right to freedom of expression.

Deron Smith, a BSA spokesman, said that if the change under consideration came into effect, "the Boy Scouts would not, under any circumstances, dictate a position to units, members, or parents".

But Mr Smith said a change in their policy banning atheists was not being considered.

It would allow parents and sponsors to "choose a local unit which best meets the needs of their families", Mr Smith added.

In July, the Boy Scouts concluded that maintaining its long-standing policy against allowing gay members was "the best policy for the organisation".

But officials within the organisation said local chapters were urging the Boy Scouts to reconsider their decision.

At least two members of the organisation's national board, Jim Turley, chairman and chief executive of consulting firm Ernst and Young, and Randall Stephenson, head of the US telecoms company AT&T, have said they would support a change in policy.

The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation welcomed the move.

"The Boy Scouts of America have heard from scouts, corporations and millions of Americans that discriminating against gay scouts and scout leaders is wrong," said the organisation's president, Herndon Graddick.

"Scouting is a valuable institution, and this change will only strengthen its core principles of fairness and respect."

During the 2012 presidential election, nominees from both major parties - Barack Obama and Mitt Romney - said the Boy Scouts should include gay members and leaders.

Boy Scouts of America, founded in 1910, said that at the end of 2011 it had more than one million adult members.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Marcel on January 29, 2013, 02:18:49 pm
Equal rights for everyone, period.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Matt Murdock on January 29, 2013, 02:38:05 pm
No, just No.

Although I support gay rights and equality and what not, but not this one, children tend to have a tender mind, and whatever you put into it, they adapt it.

Heck if you tell them its ok to have sex with animals.. we might have a generation mating with animals as well.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Batta on January 29, 2013, 03:50:56 pm
children tend to have a tender mind, and whatever you put into it, they adapt it.

Right. Knowing gay people is still not a good reason to think they will manipulate your children. That's just caused by the common place of gays being pedos and monsters..

Reality is different.


Heck if you tell them its ok to have sex with animals.. we might have a generation mating with animals as well.


Kids are "tender-mind" but not stupid.  :rofl:
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Matt Murdock on January 29, 2013, 03:58:14 pm
Right. Knowing gay people is still not a good reason to think they will manipulate your children. That's just caused by the common place of gays being pedos and monsters..

Reality is different.



Kids are "tender-mind" but not stupid.  :rofl:
A survey showed that kids nowadays are more attracted towards animal/filthy/kinky porn/adult movies.

When I was 12 I just liked lesbian videos with dem big ol' titties, not a pig pounding a woman in mud.

Also gay people are good, but not all of them are. I know gay people of both type in reality.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Jellyfish on January 29, 2013, 04:00:38 pm
Kids are "tender-mind" but not stupid.  :rofl:

Children have a tendency to 'pick up' ideologies.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: [WS]Jacob on January 29, 2013, 05:35:29 pm
Did even know such ban exsisted. Over here in the Scouts anyone can become a member or leader. Surely if the army has removed the 'gay ban' then why has a non-miltary organisation still got it? Boy Scouts should be for all to enjoy.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Batta on January 29, 2013, 05:55:41 pm
A survey showed that kids nowadays are more attracted towards animal/filthy/kinky porn/adult movies.

When I was 12 I just liked lesbian videos with dem big ol' titties, not a pig pounding a woman in mud.

That sucks but what does this have to do with what we're talking about? Do you think those kids are being taught to? I actually have no idea/opinion about what could lead a kid to like such stuff..

but not all of them are.

Same goes for "normal" people. What makes you think that the percentage of "bad" people in gays is bigger than the "normal" people?

Children have a tendency to 'pick up' ideologies.

Do you have one/some gay friend(s)? I guess not. It's not like one goes around talking about this subject trying to manipulate children. This is the wrong thing in your thought.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Matt Murdock on January 29, 2013, 07:18:29 pm
That sucks but what does this have to do with what we're talking about? Do you think those kids are being taught to? I actually have no idea/opinion about what could lead a kid to like such stuff..

Same goes for "normal" people. What makes you think that the percentage of "bad" people in gays is bigger than the "normal" people?

No, but most kids learn from what they see, I know I did. You think it wouldn't affect their mind to see a friend of theirs kiss another guy at an age of 12-14? Heck, I remember I learnt most of my bad traits from seeing friends.. rolling up a joint and shit.

And I'd say 50% haven't had a single gay friend who didn't try to hit on me one time or another..
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Batta on January 29, 2013, 07:44:42 pm
You think it wouldn't affect their mind to see a friend of theirs kiss another guy at an age of 12-14?

Wouldn't they see it at school as well? Oh, am I late? Maybe they banned them from public schools as well!

And I'd say 50% haven't had a single gay friend who didn't try to hit on me one time or another..

Did they rape you? I don't think so.. what's different if that comes from a girl or a guy? Obviously there's a difference and something that you may or may not like, but feelings and respect for others' feelings should go over this.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Matt Murdock on January 29, 2013, 09:30:55 pm
School is a different thing, sneaking out in jungle is another.

No, but yeah, I have been forced, ofcourse which I didn't accept. and to be honest I'd behave the same way if a girl tried to do it too, since a pedo type of pervness is just too damn weird o.0

But again, do not forget we are grown ups, kids gonna be kids.

Someday when you have kids, would you allow your kids to be friends with the kids which you know are homosexual ? You might allow your daughter, but I very highly doubt you'd allow your son to be friends with a kid who is homosexual..
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: [WS]Jacob on January 29, 2013, 09:48:12 pm
Someday when you have kids, would you allow your kids to be friends with the kids which you know are homosexual ? You might allow your daughter, but I very highly doubt you'd allow your son to be friends with a kid who is homosexual..
So parents now have full control over who their kids make friends with and if they do not meet the approval of their parents they cannot be friends?
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Matt Murdock on January 29, 2013, 09:51:43 pm
So parents now have full control over who their kids make friends with and if they do not meet the approval of their parents they cannot be friends?
They don't in your side of the world? Cause I'm quite sure here any parent would mind if their kids are friends with a drug addict, smoker, or drinker or eve teaser.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: [WS]Jacob on January 29, 2013, 09:54:28 pm
They don't in your side of the world? Cause I'm quite sure here any parent would mind if their kids are friends with a drug addict, smoker, or drinker or eve teaser.
Well to basically deny a child a friendship just because of the sexuality of another kid is stupid in my mind. That's like saying you can't be friends with any ginger haired boys because I don't like them. But you can be friends with any ginger haired girls you like.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Alsatian on January 29, 2013, 10:13:40 pm
Someday when you have kids, would you allow your kids to be friends with the kids which you know are homosexual ? You might allow your daughter, but I very highly doubt you'd allow your son to be friends with a kid who is homosexual..

Of course I would. Why? Well because I'm not an asshole.

 :)
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Batta on January 29, 2013, 10:27:04 pm
I'm quite sure here any parent would mind if their kids are friends with a drug addict, smoker, or drinker or eve teaser.

Cause being gay is just like being what you said. Great.

Well to basically deny a child a friendship just because of the sexuality of another kid is stupid in my mind.

Exactly. It just shows the narrowness of our minds.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: ~Legend~ on January 29, 2013, 11:12:25 pm
Being homosexual doesn't make you immoral or more likely to do things that would lead to something like a criminal charge... that's the wrong concept altogether. It's a sensitive issue and one that shouldn't be viewed through misconceptions.

The Scout Association is a lot more than that... more than anything else it brings people together and is meant to help develop skills, not create social boundaries or build certain attitudes. That's not exactly its aim (though it would mean different things to different people).

I've been a Senior Scout over in the UK and we generally tended to cut off from any social restrictions or general stereotyping.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Wolfe on January 30, 2013, 03:30:49 am
Not to mention Boy scouts is one of the gayest things around.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Squeak on January 30, 2013, 03:34:41 am
inb4 they pick up a "don't ask, don't tell" policy
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Vector on January 30, 2013, 03:39:41 am
inb4 they pick up a "don't ask, don't tell" policy
hahaha lol
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Salmonella on January 31, 2013, 06:13:34 pm
Being a homosexual isn't the same as being a pedophile, Kyle.

Ah, there it is. The video I saved from back when someone else had visions like this on homosexuality. This might actually serve an educational purpose for some here:

Why are there gay people? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9WKW6fw7I4#ws)
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Hidduh on January 31, 2013, 06:57:21 pm
They don't in your side of the world? Cause I'm quite sure here any parent would mind if their kids are friends with a drug addict, smoker, or drinker or eve teaser.

Really? Are you comparing homosexuality with drug addicts or smokers?
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Pandalink on February 02, 2013, 11:43:51 pm
children tend to have a tender mind, and whatever you put into it, they adapt it.
When I was 12 I just liked lesbian videos with dem big ol' titties, not a pig pounding a woman in mud.
So what, you became gay from watching gay porn? Based on your theory you must be gay.

Did even know such ban exsisted. Over here in the Scouts anyone can become a member or leader.
In America they're still in the fucking stone ages over basic shit like this.
They really need to get over christianity over there already, it's getting old.

Someday when you have kids, would you allow your kids to be friends with the kids which you know are homosexual ? You might allow your daughter, but I very highly doubt you'd allow your son to be friends with a kid who is homosexual..
(http://www.meh.ro/original/2009_12/meh.ro2202.jpg)
Please don't breed.

Really? Are you comparing homosexuality with drug addicts or smokers?
Yea man, did he really just do that?

For one, not being straight is not a fucking character flaw, like a drug addiction. Secondly, whilst kids might join their friends in smoking or taking drugs, you can't join your friends in being gay because it's not fucking contagious or voluntary.

However, you know what can spread? Ideas.
And, for that reason, I'm not convinced I'd be all that happy with my kids being friends with you, as I'd be afraid that you'd fill their heads with the kind of bullshit you're spouting now.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Huntsman on February 06, 2013, 09:28:22 pm
Stop being homophobic. Being gay , lesbian or bisexual is natural and that is already proved by scientists. You CANT change your sexual orientation.
Whoever is born gay, for example, cannot turn straight. Yes, he can force himself to have sexual intercourses with women instead, but he will suffer from a lack of fulfilling his sexual desires, because women just wont be the same to him. You must remember that untraditional sexuality is NOT a disorder. Stop being oldfashioned catholics.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Megamidget on February 06, 2013, 09:35:10 pm
I Cant believe such a ban existed especially in the world we live in today. I feel that whatever your sexuality you should be able to do what you want to do. If you want to be a boy scout then there should be nothing like this stopping you.

My Uncle is the mayor of the town i live in and is himself gay, i feel he is a great example of you should be able to do as you wish and that nothing is out of reach because of sexuality.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Kirgiz on February 06, 2013, 10:16:02 pm
No, just No.

Although I support gay rights and equality and what not, but not this one, children tend to have a tender mind, and whatever you put into it, they adapt it.

Heck if you tell them its ok to have sex with animals.. we might have a generation mating with animals as well.
Fat troll.

EDIT: just read through all your posts, extremely fat troll, i even see fat going out of my monitor.

If you seriously hate gays that much, fine, at the very least I get it, but you are nobody to instill your views on anyone else. Get your own sons and go on to teach them how to be assholes to people who have different views
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: ElMartu on February 07, 2013, 12:19:20 am
Just because somebody has a different opinion about things (no matter how 'wrong' they are), it doesn't mean they are 'trolls'.




IMO gay guys should be allowed to be with kids no problem as long as they keep their sexuality to themselves like any self respecting person in front of children
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Squeak on February 07, 2013, 01:58:51 am
I would never let my kid around a gay guy because everyone knows gay guys are pedophiles deep inside, it has been proven by many scientific studies.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: JDC on February 07, 2013, 03:59:25 am
Stop being homophobic. Being gay , lesbian or bisexual is natural and that is already proved by scientists. You CANT change your sexual orientation.

Interesting. Where is your source?

While there are assertions in favor of the fixed-sexuality theories, there are also stories from people who have long lived and practiced homosexual / heterosexual lifestyles, only to experience a full change to another one later on in life.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Huntsman on February 07, 2013, 04:38:55 pm
Interesting. Where is your source?

While there are assertions in favor of the fixed-sexuality theories, there are also stories from people who have long lived and practiced homosexual / heterosexual lifestyles, only to experience a full change to another one later on in life.

There is a video posted few pages back
also:

http://www.samesexattraction.org/reorientation.htm (http://www.samesexattraction.org/reorientation.htm)

Also , people youre reffering to are bisexuals, not homosexuals
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Batta on February 07, 2013, 04:43:47 pm
I would never let my kid around a gay guy because everyone knows gay guys are pedophiles deep inside, it has been proven by many scientific studies.

Oh, this made my day!

I would really like to know who is the scientist proud of this name.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Ragdoll on February 07, 2013, 04:45:20 pm
"don't ask, don't tell" policy
Exactly what this needs.

Oh, this made my day!

I would really like to know who is the scientist proud of this name.
I believe it was a sarcastic reply to Rytuklis's post.

Stop being homophobic. Being gay , lesbian or bisexual is natural and that is already proved by scientists.
Gay, lesbian or bisexual scientists?
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Batta on February 07, 2013, 04:49:39 pm
I believe it was a sarcastic reply to Rytuklis's post.

Prolly, dunno :3
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Huntsman on February 12, 2013, 02:29:47 pm
If you guys think that homosexuality is a mental disorder, you really need help.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: [WS]Jacob on February 12, 2013, 06:49:56 pm
Exactly what this needs.
No people have to realise some people are gay and just get over it. Why should they hide their sexuality at Scouts when outside of Scouts they are free to tell anyone they want?
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Ragdoll on February 12, 2013, 06:53:56 pm
No people have to realise some people are gay and just get over it. Why should they hide their sexuality at Scouts when outside of Scouts they are free to tell anyone they want?
You think "don't ask, don't tell" is to piss gay people off? No.. it's to protect them from discrimination.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: [WS]Jacob on February 12, 2013, 07:43:15 pm
You think "don't ask, don't tell" is to piss gay people off? No.. it's to protect them from discrimination.
It shouldn't be that way though. If discrimation were acted upon then there would be no reason for the "don't ask, don't tell" policy to exist.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Ragdoll on February 12, 2013, 08:11:03 pm
It shouldn't be that way though. If discrimation were acted upon then there would be no reason for the "don't ask, don't tell" policy to exist.
They're just doing what's easier.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: [WS]Jacob on February 12, 2013, 08:24:41 pm
They're just doing what's easier.
From what I understand they're removing the ban completely not enforcing a don't ask don't tell policy.
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: Morais on February 12, 2013, 08:30:02 pm
Stupid ban IMO. No one stopped Michael Jackson from being with kids... :neutral:
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: JDC on February 13, 2013, 05:41:14 am
Stupid ban IMO. No one stopped Michael Jackson from being with kids... :neutral:

But it did put a stain on his image forever. :devroll:
Title: Re: Boy Scouts of America considers end to gay-member ban
Post by: [WS]Jacob on February 13, 2013, 05:42:46 pm
Stupid ban IMO. No one stopped Michael Jackson from being with kids... :neutral:
Or a certain British Ex-Radio 1 presenter :lol:
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