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Title: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: Reece on May 24, 2013, 06:40:32 pm: Two men have been arrested on suspicion of endangerment of an aircraft after RAF Typhoon jets were scrambled to escort a passenger plane over the UK.

Police boarded Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) flight PK709, originally en route to Manchester from Lahore, after it was diverted to Stansted.

The men being held are aged 30 and 41, Essex Police said.

Passengers said they had heard threats had been made on board, but there has not been any official confirmation.

However, PIA said all the passengers were safe.

A bomb disposal vehicle has arrived by the plane.

The plane was scheduled to leave Lahore - the capital of the Pakistani province of Punjab - at 09:35 local time (05:35 BST) and had been due to arrive in Manchester at 13:30 BST.

BBC defence correspondent Jonathan Beale said there was a suggestion there had been threats on board during the flight, involving some sort of weapon or bomb - although this has not been confirmed.

Emergency signal
However, one passenger told the BBC that the pilot had informed them there had been threats.

The man said: "We were about half-an-hour away from landing in Manchester and we saw that the plane was taking different actions.

"We did not know anything about it other than the pilots announced that they have landed at Stansted. And we landed, safely. Then he announced that he had a threat from someone, which was why he had landed the plane."

Another passenger, Umari Nauman, told Sky News that cabin crew had said two men had repeatedly tried to get into the cockpit.

"The cabin crew informed us that basically they tried to come into the cockpit a few times and because they had been asked not to do that, they got into a bit of an argument with the crew and made a few threats."

Stansted said the pilot had alerted the authorities to the incident, but the airport did not say what that incident was.

Speaking about the passengers, an airport spokesman said: "They will be taken to a reception centre in the airport where police may wish to interview them about what they have seen. At some point police and the airline will arrange for their onward transportation to Manchester."

Stansted earlier said on Twitter that it was operating normally.

A Manchester Airport spokesman said: "A Pakistan International Airlines aircraft which was due to land at Manchester Airport at 13.30 BST today has been diverted to our sister airport London Stansted, where the authorities are investigating."

The airport said it expected passengers to be put on a coach from Stansted to Manchester later on Friday.

Mashhood Tajwar, a spokesman for PIA, said the incident followed a call to air traffic control.

He said that about 20 to 30 minutes before landing, information received by air traffic control in Manchester had indicated there might have been "some security threat".

"But so far it has not been ascertained what was the real motive behind that call," said Mr Tajwar.

He added: "The plane was diverted to Stansted and it has landed safely over there and all passengers are safe, and they have disembarked."

PIA said there had been 308 passengers on board, as well as 14 crew including pilots, with a mixture of Pakistani and British passport holders.

'Serious incident'
The MoD said responsibility for the incident had passed to Essex Police and the Home Office, and that "our involvement is over".

An MoD spokesman said Typhoon jets could be scrambled after the pilot or crew of a passenger aircraft sends out an emergency signal.

"The purpose of going up is to investigate what the situation is," he said.

"Often when a quick reaction alert aircraft is launched the details are not known, but it is known that a signal has been sent."

Philip Baum, of Aviation Security International, told the BBC: "This is certainly a significant incident, however the fact that fighter jets were scrambled to intercept is not unusual.

"Fighter jets are scrambled when there is a bomb threat, when there is a hijack, when the wrong transponder code is used or if an aircraft cannot communicate with the ground. Often the result is when there is an unruly passenger on board.

"What is interesting in this case is that it would appear that the aircraft was only 10 minutes from landing - these are initial reports coming in - when they decided to divert to Stansted. So to actually change a destination 10 minutes from landing would certainly imply that there was some serious incident taking place."
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 24, 2013, 06:56:29 pm: Sorry but what can fighter jets do if the bomb threats are coming from inside?
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: Cyril on May 24, 2013, 07:00:06 pm: Quote from: [WS]Jacob on May 24, 2013, 06:56:29 pm
Sorry but what can fighter jets do if the bomb threats are coming from inside?

Shoot at the plane!
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 24, 2013, 08:48:27 pm: Quote from: Cyril on May 24, 2013, 07:00:06 pm
Shoot at the plane!
With innocent people inside it? Good idea. :roll:
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: Kojak on May 24, 2013, 09:04:08 pm: Quote from: [WS]Jacob on May 24, 2013, 08:48:27 pm
With innocent people inside it? Good idea. :roll:

Have you forgotten the September 11th attacks?
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: Cyril on May 24, 2013, 09:07:06 pm: Quote from: [WS]Jacob on May 24, 2013, 08:48:27 pm
With innocent people inside it? Good idea. :roll:

It's better for them to shoot it down in case he tries to crash somewhere.
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: Mikal on May 24, 2013, 09:20:46 pm: Quote from: [WS]Jacob on May 24, 2013, 06:56:29 pm
Sorry but what can fighter jets do if the bomb threats are coming from inside?
Do you not know what a fighter jet does?

Quote from: [WS]Jacob on May 24, 2013, 08:48:27 pm
With innocent people inside it? Good idea. :roll:
I'm sorry but how dull are you? 300 innocent people vs millions on the ground, which would you take?
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 24, 2013, 09:39:42 pm: In this instance the pilot was in control of the aircraft it was just threats reported on board, so to blow innocent people to pieces just because some guy is shouting whatever is not really the right way to go. If it was hi-jacked then I would think differently of it.
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: Kojak on May 24, 2013, 09:40:52 pm: They didn't blow it up.
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 24, 2013, 09:44:23 pm: Quote from: Kojak on May 24, 2013, 09:40:52 pm
They didn't blow it up.
I never said they did - it's landed safely. I just said that they shouldn't blow the plane up just because some guy is shouting threats. But if the plane would have been hi-jacked then I would agree that action is needed to save other lives.
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: Cyril on May 24, 2013, 09:47:49 pm: No one said they should blow it up just because someone is shouting threats.
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: Kojak on May 24, 2013, 09:48:05 pm: Quote from: [WS]Jacob on May 24, 2013, 09:44:23 pm
they shouldn't blow the plane up just because some guy is shouting threats.

Why do you keep saying that? Of course they shouldn't blow it up for that reason, and they didn't.
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: [WS]Jacob on May 24, 2013, 09:52:52 pm: Quote from: Kojak on May 24, 2013, 09:48:05 pm
Why do you keep saying that? Of course they shouldn't blow it up for that reason, and they didn't.
Because I think you were both in the mindset that I am totally against blowing up a plane and probably the way I worded it made it sound that way. We are all on the same level, so that's fine.
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: Frank_Hawk on May 24, 2013, 09:56:54 pm: Great to see our armed forces in action:

(http://www.monarchist.org.uk/uploads/3/2/5/2/3252756/618836170.jpg?290)

British Military Power | The British Are Coming | 2013 | HD | (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85RWntolNRI#ws)
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: Mikal on May 24, 2013, 10:00:39 pm: Quote from: Frank_Hawk on May 24, 2013, 09:56:54 pm
Great to see our armed forces in action:

(http://www.monarchist.org.uk/uploads/3/2/5/2/3252756/618836170.jpg?290)
:bow:
Title: Re: Two held after RAF Typhoon jets escort Pakistan plane over UK
Post by: taseen11 on May 24, 2013, 10:12:33 pm: Hmm, the event was handled pretty well, the ATC's decision to send the flight to Stansted was the right one per protocol.