Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: Mr. Goobii on June 02, 2013, 04:41:35 pm
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TO GANDALF:
Why is argonath constantly crashing and when 130+ people are online, there occurs always lag....
don't say it's because of DDOS attacks, because you are not more attacked then any other server on SA:MP... If you say it's because of DDOS, you're ignorant.
It HAS NOT been any change of the denial of gameplay since I joined Argonath, it was fucking 500 years ago, I getting pissed on this now, you cannot even handle a fucking
server, you should not be a owner if you cannot handle your own traffic.... -.-
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Al is right, this is not DDoS.
As I know DDoSing is sending million messages to server which raises ping to 2000 or more
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don't say it's because of DDOS attacks, because you are not more attacked then any other server on SA:MP... If you say it's because of DDOS, you're ignorant.
1. Learn to show some respect.
2. Learn to follow the rules.
3. It is DDoS attacks. Don't like it? Tell us who's doing them so we can take legal action against them.
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TO GANDALF:
Why is argonath constantly crashing and when 130+ people are online, there occurs always lag....
don't say it's because of DDOS attacks, because you are not more attacked then any other server on SA:MP... If you say it's because of DDOS, you're ignorant.
It HAS NOT been any change of the denial of gameplay since I joined Argonath, it was f**king 500 years ago, I getting pissed on this now, you cannot even handle a f**king
server, you should not be a owner if you cannot handle your own traffic.... -.-
before 2 years the server didn't have any problem then some russians start ddos they also haked aragorn account and banned every one much times also they hacked the forums so belive it's ddos
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TO GANDALF:
Why is argonath constantly crashing and when 130+ people are online, there occurs always lag....
don't say it's because of DDOS attacks, because you are not more attacked then any other server on SA:MP... If you say it's because of DDOS, you're ignorant.
It HAS NOT been any change of the denial of gameplay since I joined Argonath, it was f**king 500 years ago, I getting pissed on this now, you cannot even handle a f**king
server, you should not be a owner if you cannot handle your own traffic.... -.-
How about donating to prevent lag spikes and enabling the server to buy anti DDOS methods ;)
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http://www.configserver.com/cp/csf.html (http://www.configserver.com/cp/csf.html)
this will help to protect from DDoS
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http://www.configserver.com/cp/csf.html (http://www.configserver.com/cp/csf.html)
this will help to protect from DDoS
Argo runs on Windows-based servers. That won't work for Windows, only Linux-based ones.
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http://www.configserver.com/cp/csf.html (http://www.configserver.com/cp/csf.html)
this will help to protect from DDoS
Are you going to pay for it? :lol:
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Can you guys stop false information?
1. The current downtime is the result of a DDOS attack. If you do not believe me, you are invited to look at traffic statistics and warnings.
2. The server itself has not crashed for over a week.
3. The lag we know, it has been a long issue that is supposed to improve in RS5 due to a better account structure.
4. We were never attacked by Russians.
5. Whenever a breach occurred it was due to our own failure in safety, we were never truly hacked, some people were careless in leaving things open for others to make use of.
6. You can do better? Go ahead.
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TO GANDALF:
Why is argonath constantly crashing and when 130+ people are online, there occurs always lag....
don't say it's because of DDOS attacks, because you are not more attacked then any other server on SA:MP... If you say it's because of DDOS, you're ignorant.
It HAS NOT been any change of the denial of gameplay since I joined Argonath, it was f**king 500 years ago, I getting pissed on this now, you cannot even handle a f**king
server, you should not be a owner if you cannot handle your own traffic.... -.-
If you don't like it, feel free to leave..
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6. You can do better? Go ahead.
Just like you did with ab's Playground(ab), because you and the rest of =MS= clan found that the direction of the community went on wrong direction? You made ArgonathRPG and copied mostly
all of the server. Still you said that Argonath will never be based on other servers scripts and such, haha...
There is not many people know this, but their is actually player, like me, Hubbe, Lustig and other who actually played on that time, when you were in =MS= clan.
If you did it, why would it slow me and the rest to not make mutiny?!
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Just like you did with ab's Playground(ab), because you and the rest of =MS= clan found that the direction of the community went on wrong direction? You made ArgonathRPG and copied mostly
all of the server. Still you said that Argonath will never be based on other servers scripts and such, haha...
There is not many people know this, but their is actually player, like me, Hubbe, Lustig and other who actually played on that time, when you were in =MS= clan.
If you did it, why would it slow me and the rest to not make mutiny?!
If you can do better, start your own server.
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Just like you did with ab's Playground(ab), because you and the rest of =MS= clan found that the direction of the community went on wrong direction? You made ArgonathRPG and copied mostly
all of the server. Still you said that Argonath will never be based on other servers scripts and such, haha...
There is not many people know this, but their is actually player, like me, Hubbe, Lustig and other who actually played on that time, when you were in =MS= clan.
If you did it, why would it slow me and the rest to not make mutiny?!
Apparently you fail to understand where Argonath RPG's base for it's MTA:VC scripts came from. Let me give you a hint: Jax and Oli.
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Developers:
Is there any chance on fixing the house interiors that are bugged? Since I have never seen you guys mention this subject, so, Im just trying to remind you about them just If you forgot. Because yesterday I tried to make Paul fix my house putting house interior #31 on it and it seems like while I entered the house, I just appeared outside my house, bugged. Its a really nice interior and I doubt any house uses it, due to its current state. Is there any chance you fix it so we can actually go inside it?
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Developers:
Is there any chance on fixing the house interiors that are bugged? Since I have never seen you guys mention this subject, so, Im just trying to remind you about them just If you forgot. Because yesterday I tried to make Paul fix my house putting house interior #31 on it and it seems like while I entered the house, I just appeared outside my house, bugged. Its a really nice interior and I doubt any house uses it, due to its current state. Is there any chance you fix it so we can actually go inside it?
I would suggest submitting a bug report in the SA:MP Helpdesk for that.
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Let me ask this, why is it always Argo that suffers from huge lag, going down etc, and no other servers does it? Don't ban me now, just asking.
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Just like you did with ab's Playground(ab), because you and the rest of =MS= clan found that the direction of the community went on wrong direction? You made ArgonathRPG and copied mostly
all of the server. Still you said that Argonath will never be based on other servers scripts and such, haha...
There is not many people know this, but their is actually player, like me, Hubbe, Lustig and other who actually played on that time, when you were in =MS= clan.
If you did it, why would it slow me and the rest to not make mutiny?!
What are you waiting to open your own server and stop polluting this forum with your negative attitude?
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Let me ask this, why is it always Argo that suffers from huge lag, going down etc, and no other servers does it? Don't ban me now, just asking.
SA:MP itself is because of older scripting designs that were never meant to handle the large amount of users that they have today. You can find details of this a few pages back from Gandalf, which is to be remedied by SA:MP RS5's release. As for today and yesterday's events, it's caused by a DDoS attack.
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Just like you did with ab's Playground(ab), because you and the rest of =MS= clan found that the direction of the community went on wrong direction? You made ArgonathRPG and copied mostly
all of the server. Still you said that Argonath will never be based on other servers scripts and such, haha...
There is not many people know this, but their is actually player, like me, Hubbe, Lustig and other who actually played on that time, when you were in =MS= clan.
If you did it, why would it slow me and the rest to not make mutiny?!
You can any time you want, we will not stop or attack you, unlike the people of ab. They still try to spread their lies.
Most funny is that Kalle claimed to have written the scripts in C, then when we wrote ours (based on Jax & Oli with the adaptions made and written by me) suddenly we were accused of copying their 'custom written in C' scripts.
and just in case you wish to spread more misinformation, the =MS= clan of then is the Rockstars clan of today. We changed name because we were already tired of the senseless fighting.
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Special for Mr Goobii and all others...
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Special for Mr Goobii and all others...
How the hell should mr goobii see that when he is banned?
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How the hell should mr goobii see that when he is banned?
Feel free to forward the message.
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How the hell should mr goobii see that when he is banned?
I assume ya'll are communicating in Skype? Right click download it and send him a copy.
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I assume ya'll are communicating in Skype? Right click download it and send him a copy.
Nahh we are in argonath rpg teamspeak channel
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How the hell should mr goobii see that when he is banned?
Wait.. why is Al banned?
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Nahh we are in argonath rpg teamspeak channel
Then it shouldn't be hard to upload the image for him.
Wait.. why is Al banned?
Please contact a forum Administrator if you wish to find out.
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Nahh we are in argonath rpg teamspeak channel
Fair enough, right click it download it upload it to a media hosting site of your choice and send him the link. I'm sure he'd be delighted.
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Reply in some words:
Don't like the server? Leave please.
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Reply in some words:
Don't like the server? Leave please.
Well, if you play on a server that is constantly attacked and goes down, of course you get mad. Especially if you donate to it.
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Well, if you play on a server that is constantly attacked and goes down, of course you get mad. Especially if you donate to it.
A donation is just that: a donation. Meaning you get nothing in return, not even a uptime guarantee.
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Well, if you play on a server that is constantly attacked and goes down, of course you get mad. Especially if you donate to it.
As if Gandalf is doing this all on purpose, understand him. He is trying to fix this all, give him a hand and be patient.
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Well some people might see the donate like it should help, and it might feel like it doesn't if the server still goes down, would feel like wasted money for me, but hey, that's me, and thats why I don't donate.
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Well, if you play on a server that is constantly attacked and goes down, of course you get mad. Especially if you donate to it.
We've taken appropriate action to the dot include as far as taking legal complaints to local police of those conducting the actions and also including the FBI. Time after time we are given a generic response and don't see any direct action. The best we can do is take every attack as evidence and make sure it is sent to the appropriate departments and we do. There is simply nothing more we can. Sure, we can attack them back and make sure their computer and network never works again but that isn't how Argonath works, its against our morals and professional standard.
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Even with the countless of donations (which were explicitly requested by gandalf himself in order to keep the server online) and ad-money, very little action has been taken to increase the server's security or to switch to a more stable host as it seems. Correct me if I'm wrong but imo the frustration is understandable. So for all the robots and parrots repeating the same thing over and over again ("dont like? leave", "then donate",...), I suggest you keep that in mind.
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Well, if you play on a server that is constantly attacked and goes down, of course you get mad. Especially if you donate to it.
I feel you man....
What you think that I am happy about it? Apart from it costing me numerous messages every time to report the IP's and get things re-opened it makes me mad that some kid can push a button and make an attack.
Problem is that unless we make it our selves, we simply do not have the means to stop the attacks. Though we are working on some smart ways to resolve it, as well as trying to take out anyone who comes forward.
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F***ING DDOS make the server complicated! I'm not playing now(banned) but I know what's ArgonathRPG player feel about this DDOS Sh*t
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We've taken appropriate action to the dot include as far as taking legal complaints to local police of those conducting the actions and also including the FBI. Time after time we are given a generic response and don't see any direct action. The best we can do is take every attack as evidence and make sure it is sent to the appropriate departments and we do. There is simply nothing more we can. Sure, we can attack them back and make sure their computer and network never works again but that isn't how Argonath works, its against our morals and professional standard.
Maybe if you stuck the world Bank after Argonath the FBI and/or this kids local police might actually do something. :lol:
So for all the robots and parrots repeating the same thing over and over again ("dont like? leave", "then donate",...), I suggest you keep that in mind.
All of those robots are just looking for some kind of respect gain or post count increase. :roll:
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Even with the countless of donations (which were explicitly requested by gandalf himself in order to keep the server online) and ad-money, very little action has been taken to increase the server's security or to switch to a more stable host as it seems. Correct me if I'm wrong but imo the frustration is understandable. So for all the robots and parrots repeating the same thing over and over again ("dont like? leave", "then donate",...), I suggest you keep that in mind.
Then i'd suggest you to read the post that gandalf made several times about the price he pays out of his own pocket to keep the server up, your donations do not only go towards upgrades, but also towards the price the server costs yearly. Argonath is free to play, no one forces you to be here, nor forces you to donate. Wich is all your own choice to do. It may have been requested, but a request does not has to be followed.
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I feel you man....
Yea, and I didn't say it's your fault either. I'm just trying to tell the people that just stick with the "Don't like it, leave it" that of course you get bloody mad if you pay a small ammount for the server to stay alive and this still happends.
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Even with the countless of donations (which were explicitly requested by gandalf himself in order to keep the server online) and ad-money, very little action has been taken to increase the server's security or to switch to a more stable host as it seems. Correct me if I'm wrong but imo the frustration is understandable. So for all the robots and parrots repeating the same thing over and over again ("dont like? leave", "then donate",...), I suggest you keep that in mind.
refer to this:
We've taken appropriate action to the dot include as far as taking legal complaints to local police of those conducting the actions and also including the FBI. Time after time we are given a generic response and don't see any direct action. The best we can do is take every attack as evidence and make sure it is sent to the appropriate departments and we do. There is simply nothing more we can. Sure, we can attack them back and make sure their computer and network never works again but that isn't how Argonath works, its against our morals and professional standard.
Maybe if you stuck the world Bank after Argonath the FBI and/or this kids local police might actually do something. :lol:
Well, then we'd get in trouble.
F***ING DDOS make the server complicated! I'm not playing now(banned) but I know what's ArgonathRPG player feel about this DDOS Sh*t
These types of comments don't further the conversation. They waste our time reading them rather than focusing on tracking down who is responsible for these attacks, and overall fixing the damage that has been done.
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Even with the countless of donations (which were explicitly requested by gandalf himself in order to keep the server online) and ad-money, very little action has been taken to increase the server's security or to switch to a more stable host as it seems. Correct me if I'm wrong but imo the frustration is understandable. So for all the robots and parrots repeating the same thing over and over again ("dont like? leave", "then donate",...), I suggest you keep that in mind.
You have access to my PC and those of others involved in this? If not then please do not make false accusations.
Our host is as stable as any, our security in general is enough never to get hacked.
As for donations and other income we have never made enough to cover the costs of running, let alone that we can invest in added security. Unlike servers who choose to sell VIP accounts as well as in-game objects and where the owners take holiday trips on money of their players.
A real safety would cost $1000 per month. Anyone who would like to sponsor that for us is welcome.
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Why so violent? :hit:
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Like I said, I'm not blaming nor accusing anyone, I wanted to notify the people who ignorantly reply with useless posts. Also, how come that, according to Teddy's post, each time DDOS occurs, action is taken yet DDOS keeps reoccurring for several weeks, if not months now? Is it because of bad response of law-enforcement or because of a constantly new perpetrator? Note: This is a question, no criticism nor accusation.
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Oh, I'm unbanned now. I don't know if it's temporary unban or not...
but Gandalf, you need to feel me, with constant downtime which have been accursed as long I've been playing on Argonath need to have a stop. A suggestion from my side would be to reduce
the unnecessary services Argonath currently hosting, like MS Flight Simulator, Live for Speed and things like that. Even if they do not hold any people, they still, in the virtual of space takes resources.
By the image you posted, I found out that you using a 100mbps uplink, all serious services, for exemple web hosts are using 1000mbps links today, at least, those who are serious enough.
You know, I don't want Argonath any harm, but you need to know that I'm also pissed off, by many things.
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Like I said, I'm not blaming nor accusing anyone, I wanted to notify the people who ignorantly reply with useless posts. Also, how come that, according to Teddy's post, each time DDOS occurs, action is taken yet DDOS keeps reoccurring for several weeks, if not months now? Is it because of bad response of law-enforcement or because of a constantly new perpetrator? Note: This is a question, no criticism nor accusation.
DDoS'es are incredibly difficult to trace or block. Even government websites get DDoS'ed all the time and can do nothing about it. Law Enforcement will be notified post-investigations of the attackers, as we often find their personal information lurking all over the internet for everyone to see. Just give it time.
Oh, I'm unbanned now. I don't know if it's temporary unban or not...
but Gandalf, you need to feel me, with constant downtime which have been accursed as long I've been playing on Argonath need to have a stop. A suggestion from my side would be to reduce
the unnecessary services Argonath currently hosting, like MS Flight Simulator, Live for Speed and things like that. Even if they do not hold anypeople, the still, in the virtual of space takes resources.
By the image you posted, I found out that you using a 100mbps uplink, all serious services, for exemple web hosts are using 1000mbps links today, at least, those who are serious enough.
You know, I don't want Argonath any harm, but you need to know that I'm also pissed off, by many things.
That wouldn't solve any of the problems caused by DDoS attacks at all. It doesn't matter how much you host, the server will go down in an attack regardless.
Also, the server's network connection may be 100MBPS, but the internet speed is different. Most servers that claim to be using 1GBPS connections are actually lying, and are only talking about their network connection speed.
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You have access to my PC and those of others involved in this? If not then please do not make false accusations.
Our host is as stable as any, our security in general is enough never to get hacked.
As for donations and other income we have never made enough to cover the costs of running, let alone that we can invest in added security. Unlike servers who choose to sell VIP accounts as well as in-game objects and where the owners take holiday trips on money of their players.
A real safety would cost $1000 per month. Anyone who would like to sponsor that for us is welcome.
I have enough money to donate to server, but I don't have paypal! Damn it!
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You have access to my PC and those of others involved in this? If not then please do not make false accusations.
Our host is as stable as any, our security in general is enough never to get hacked.
As for donations and other income we have never made enough to cover the costs of running, let alone that we can invest in added security. Unlike servers who choose to sell VIP accounts as well as in-game objects and where the owners take holiday trips on money of their players.
A real safety would cost $1000 per month. Anyone who would like to sponsor that for us is welcome.
The next week i am starting working i could invest 300 Euros every month
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I have enough money to donate to server, but I don't have paypal! Damn it!
*facepalm*
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I have enough money to donate to server, but I don't have paypal! Damn it!
There are other ways to donate too. Check the Donations tab.
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The next week i am starting working i could invest 300 Euros every month
I believe you
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I have enough money to donate to server, but I don't have paypal! Damn it!
There are many easy wasy to do an online payment, even buying a single paysafe-card which you can find anywhere..
Guys, if it wasn't for Gandalf Aragorn and Sauron, none of you would of be talking to each other now, no Argonath RPG would of exist.. none of us would of had the chance to get to meet and speak to so many people if it wasn't for this community... so my word to you: Appreciate what you have & are given, before it's too late..
Personally, I don't mind whoever calls me an asslicker at this certain time (never been one either..) But thank you owners for the servers, the community.. a place I can really call a second home ;).
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There are many easy wasy to do an online payment, even buying a single paysafe-card which you can find anywhere..
Guys, if it wasn't for Gandalf Aragorn and Sauron, none of you would of be talking to each other now, no Argonath RPG would of exist.. none of us would of had the chance to get to meet and speak to so many people if it wasn't for this community... so my word to you: Appreciate what you have & are given, before it's too late..
Personally, I don't mind whoever calls me an asslicker at this certain time (never been one either..) But thank you owners for the servers, the community.. a place I can really call a second home ;).
The Rock is 100% right
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Gandalf, have you though about adding more items to the Argonath Shop (http://club.argonathrpg.com/index.php/argonath-rpg-shop)? I wouldn't mind being able to buy an Argonath flag.
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Gandalf, have you though about adding more items to the Argonath Shop (http://club.argonathrpg.com/index.php/argonath-rpg-shop)? I wouldn't mind being able to buy an Argonath flag.
http://club.argonathrpg.com/index.php/argonath-rpg-shop/basic-line/argonath-flag-detail (http://club.argonathrpg.com/index.php/argonath-rpg-shop/basic-line/argonath-flag-detail)
http://club.argonathrpg.com/index.php/argonath-rpg-shop/basic-line/argonath-flag-6-detail
(http://club.argonathrpg.com/index.php/argonath-rpg-shop/basic-line/argonath-flag-6-detail)
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Guys, if it wasn't for Gandalf Aragorn and Sauron, none of you would of be talking to each other now, no Argonath RPG would of exist.. none of us would of had the chance to get to meet and speak to so many people if it wasn't for this community... so my word to you: Appreciate what you have & are given, before it's too late..
Personally, I don't mind whoever calls me an asslicker at this certain time (never been one either..) But thank you owners for the servers, the community.. a place I can really call a second home ;).
Most can't see the thing that this is a chance to interact with the WORLD. As a matter of fact, most of these people helped me go through some very hard times I had in real life. Considering the fact that if it wasn't for some people I met here, I'd be probably hanged somewhere in the woods :D
Yeah, I'm thankful for the opportunity to meet these great people here, and as soon as I get my hands on some money, I certainly will donate some to keep the servers up and running.
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We've taken appropriate action to the dot include as far as taking legal complaints to local police of those conducting the actions and also including the FBI. Time after time we are given a generic response and don't see any direct action. The best we can do is take every attack as evidence and make sure it is sent to the appropriate departments and we do. There is simply nothing more we can.
Get a real life FBI agent playing Argonath :hurray:
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Goobii, DDoS can hardly be stopped, I don't think there's such a strong security that could FULLY stop the DDoS that you can't even feel it.. You jut need to let it pass and report it... there's nothing much you can do about it.
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any body know when the server will come up ?
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any body know when the server will come up ?
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any body know when the server will come up ?
Yes. The DDoSer.
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No need to quote the exact same thing as the user above you wrote, posthunter. Server comes up when it comes up, go outside or something.
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http://club.argonathrpg.com/index.php/argonath-rpg-shop/basic-line/argonath-flag-detail (http://club.argonathrpg.com/index.php/argonath-rpg-shop/basic-line/argonath-flag-detail)
http://club.argonathrpg.com/index.php/argonath-rpg-shop/basic-line/argonath-flag-6-detail
(http://club.argonathrpg.com/index.php/argonath-rpg-shop/basic-line/argonath-flag-6-detail)
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Didn't see that :neutral:
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No need to quote the exact same thing as the user above you wrote, posthunter. Server comes up when it comes up, go outside or something.
bored to go outside right now maybe later also why should attack us there is place for every body in this world..
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Didn't see that :neutral:
:cool:
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Why are you all fighting and promoting future hate between eachothers because of a game? Seriously people, ALT+F4 and press Enter. Get off the PC and take a walk, have a box(or two) of kit kats or play some videogames. THIS-IS-A-GAME.
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Why are you all fighting and promoting future hate between eachothers because of a game? Seriously people, ALT+F4 and press Enter. Get off the PC and take a walk, have a box(or two) of kit kats or play some videogames. THIS-IS-A-GAME.
You should be on server like the rest of those who were complaning. :razz:
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You should be on server like the rest of those who were complaning. :razz:
Haha.
It wasn't really the first time I ever witnessed a DDoS attack in action(even on other servers). I didn't really complain, I simply close everything on my desktop, open up Team Fortress 2 and capture some points. :redface:
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Damn these DDoS culprits need to learn how to use two sets of Muscles and Bones. I have, and I have never felt better... I love using my LEGS every now agian :P
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Even with the countless of donations (which were explicitly requested by gandalf himself in order to keep the server online) and ad-money, very little action has been taken to increase the server's security or to switch to a more stable host as it seems. Correct me if I'm wrong but imo the frustration is understandable. So for all the robots and parrots repeating the same thing over and over again ("dont like? leave", "then donate",...), I suggest you keep that in mind.
A few members of the community once calculated the estimated cost of all the servers Argonath runs. Believe me when I say that those "countless donations" are not even a small percentage of the monthly costs.
And Gandalf (and Aragorn if I'm correct) pay for this to allow you to play [along with donators]. They spend their money so you can enjoy yourself.
Sure, it's frustrating if you cannot play but think of it from a diffirent perspective. You're showing very little respect. And as long as you don't pay the monhtly bill, then in my opinion, you have no call whatsoever in discussing security for the server.
So until you have donated, I suggest you start thinking about the bigger picture instead of your own interests.
Or, to put it in your words:
So for all the robots and parrots repeating the same thing over and over again ("you don't do enough about security", "server is down too much",...), I suggest you keep that in mind.
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A few members of the community once calculated the estimated cost of all the servers Argonath runs. Believe me when I say that those "countless donations" are not even a small percentage of the monthly costs.
And Gandalf (and Aragorn if I'm correct) pay for this to allow you to play [along with donators]. They spend their money so you can enjoy yourself.
Sure, it's frustrating if you cannot play but think of it from a diffirent perspective. You're showing very little respect. And as long as you don't pay the monhtly bill, then in my opinion, you have no call whatsoever in discussing security for the server.
So until you have donated, I suggest you start thinking about the bigger picture instead of your own interests.
Or, to put it in your words:
So for all the robots and parrots repeating the same thing over and over again ("you don't do enough about security", "server is down too much",...), I suggest you keep that in mind.
I agreed with that they pay with there own resurces they work and go and pay for us to play so show some respect
And i also to ask is there any news ?
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A few members of the community once calculated the estimated cost of all the servers Argonath runs. Believe me when I say that those "countless donations" are not even a small percentage of the monthly costs.
Countless is an understatement. I did some estimated calculations last month, and Argo easily spends a few thousand a year on webhosting alone. That does not include any of the other services, such as game servers, licenses, equipment rentals, other costs, etc.
You're talking about massive costs for the Server Owners, on top of their own lives and families. Everyone should be grateful and consider themselves lucky.
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Countless is an understatement. I did some estimated calculations last month, and Argo easily spends a few thousand a year on webhosting alone. That does not include any of the other services, such as game servers, licenses, equipment rentals, other costs, etc.
Please share your calculations.
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A few members of the community once calculated the estimated cost of all the servers Argonath runs. Believe me when I say that those "countless donations" are not even a small percentage of the monthly costs.
And Gandalf (and Aragorn if I'm correct) pay for this to allow you to play [along with donators]. They spend their money so you can enjoy yourself.
Sure, it's frustrating if you cannot play but think of it from a diffirent perspective. You're showing very little respect. And as long as you don't pay the monhtly bill, then in my opinion, you have no call whatsoever in discussing security for the server.
So until you have donated, I suggest you start thinking about the bigger picture instead of your own interests.
Or, to put it in your words:
So for all the robots and parrots repeating the same thing over and over again ("you don't do enough about security", "server is down too much",...), I suggest you keep that in mind.
It would be fine if it happens sometimes, but this is continuous. Other communities are doing fortunes of money with things like donations, ranks on forum, in-game phone numbers, the opportunity to change your forum name and stuff, while we are sleeping.
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It would be fine if it happens sometimes, but this is continuous. Other communities are doing fortunes of money with things like donations, ranks on forum, in-game phone numbers, the opportunity to change your forum name and stuff, while we are sleeping.
And in flies the cliché: if everything is so good on other servers/in other communities, off you go!
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It would be fine if it happens sometimes, but this is continuous. Other communities are doing fortunes of money with things like donations, ranks on forum, in-game phone numbers, the opportunity to change your forum name and stuff, while we are sleeping.
inb4 "leave the community then"
But yeah, Jeremy has a point.
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It would be fine if it happens sometimes, but this is continuous. Other communities are doing fortunes of money with things like donations, ranks on forum, in-game phone numbers, the opportunity to change your forum name and stuff, while we are sleeping.
And you like that? Argonath shows that he counts every single member for the same no matter what ... Imagine the donators driving Infernuses and the normal players like you and me driving cheap cars ... Flash and such ... and the really rich guy having a Buffalo ... NRG 500? The donator must pay 50 Euros for this ... and what if after he pays them and 1-2 months pass and he gets bored? Kaboom wasted money ...
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inb4 "leave the community then"
But yeah, Jeremy has a point.
He does have a point ... But nobody is actually making us stay here . I also hate both the lag and the downtimes but somehow everytime I try starting a new server I miss argonath and return ... I get bored in the other server , but in argonath there are so many things that I want to do that my time isnt enough ... and also the ping sometimes doesnt let me ... I mean I cant be the only one who get angry while being a cop when the suspect lags and you see that he turned left while you have passed the turn ... But I guess thats life
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And you like that? Argonath shows that he counts every single member for the same no matter what ... Imagine the donators driving Infernuses and the normal players like you and me driving cheap cars ... Flash and such ... and the really rich guy having a Buffalo ... NRG 500? The donator must pay 50 Euros for this ... and what if after he pays them and 1-2 months pass and he gets bored? Kaboom wasted money ...
I don't think I said anything about cars above.
inb4 "leave the community then"
Lol. xD
And in flies the cliché: if everything is so good on other servers/in other communities, off you go!
No.
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Get a real life FBI agent playing Argonath :hurray:
Ain't any FBI agent got time for that
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It would be fine if it happens sometimes, but this is continuous. Other communities are doing fortunes of money with things like donations, ranks on forum, in-game phone numbers, the opportunity to change your forum name and stuff, while we are sleeping.
Would you really want kids to gain an advantage over you or other members because they stole their parents credit card to become one of the servers "VIP"'s? On the other hand I guess the only advantage given from a forum rank is a false sense of importance so why not let people pay to receive it.
But that is why Argonath is unique, the humans running the server are acting like humans and actually have a sense of morality.
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Maybe you didnt ... ranks on forum : The guy that has a good rank gets it easier to advertise his Family ... Kaboom an awesome family gets from nowhere and the long standing families get down just because you can see the name (argonath family) in every part of the forum or idk ... Everything you said gives advantaged... the only thing that sounds cool is the forum name change but with many rules on it ... I mean somehow the users must now that the forum account names : Kostas exname was [email protected] ... and etc ... and when you press on the search engine for excamble you and you put in the word DuelistKing you get the Kostas says that this was its ex name .... Also if you think its so good start by giving some exambles
Post Merge: June 02, 2013, 09:04:22 pm
Would you really want kids to gain an advantage over you or other members because they stole their parents credit card to become one of the servers "VIP"'s? On the other hand I guess the only advantage given from a forum rank is a false sense of importance so why not let people pay to receive it.
But that is why Argonath is unique, the humans running the server are acting like humans and actually have a sense of morality.
Yep I agree with that ... You should thank them for not wasting your money infact ... They pay instead of you ...
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Can you guys stop false information?
1. The current downtime is the result of a DDOS attack. If you do not believe me, you are invited to look at traffic statistics and warnings.
2. The server itself has not crashed for over a week.
3. The lag we know, it has been a long issue that is supposed to improve in RS5 due to a better account structure.
4. We were never attacked by Russians.
5. Whenever a breach occurred it was due to our own failure in safety, we were never truly hacked, some people were careless in leaving things open for others to make use of.
6. You can do better? Go ahead.
I always wanted to ask this.
Why's it so that the main Argonath server can't be hosted on a cloud Amazon server just like Xcasio's temp server was? As I was told Amazon cloud servers cannot be DDoS'd.
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As I was told Amazon cloud servers cannot be DDoS'd.
You were lied to.
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I always wanted to ask this.
Why's it so that the main Argonath server can't be hosted on a cloud Amazon server just like Xcasio's temp server was? As I was told Amazon cloud servers cannot be DDoS'd.
I was thinking the same thing earlier, although there is still the possibility of the server being DDOS'd, Amazon just provides the ability to set up counter measures to prevent any real damage occurring from a DDOS attack. But I'm sure this has been taken in to consideration over the years the server has been running and there are reasons against it (such as costs or legal matters etc).
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You were lied to.
It was you and Xcasio who told me that. :redface:
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I was thinking the same thing earlier, although there is still the possibility of the server being DDOS'd, Amazon just provides the ability to set up counter measures to prevent any real damage occurring from a DDOS attack. But I'm sure this has been taken in to consideration over the years the server has been running and there are reasons against it (such as costs or legal matters etc).
This indeed.
Amazon Web Service is expensive you pay a hefty fee for bandwith usage, far more than is paid now.
It was you and Xcasio who told me that. :redface:
I wouldn't have said it can't be DDOS'd because anything can. It does make it harder to conduct a successful and long-lasting attack however as stated above there is a balance that needs to be considered. Xcasio's server was running on a trial version of AWS.
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The thing is, DDoS can't be fully stopped. It may make it less strong, but can never fully stop it with no reflection
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Any Information the currect situation like when server will be up :pop:
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Every word which you say in this topic will make that bastard happy...
You can not do anything against him for now, if you found his location so go for it and all Argonath members will support you guys,
If that boy/girl is from middle east, we can not do anything against him because there is no any FBI office here (There is only one HQ in UAE i think, I'm not sure)
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Every word which you say in this topic will make that bastard happy...
You can not do anything against him for now, if you found his location so go for it and all Argonath members will support you guys,
If that boy/girl is from middle east, we can not do anything against him because there is no any FBI office here (There is only one HQ in UAE i think, I'm not sure)
I have sent 1 of my guys: (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQfbp-nH8vSjBKB2Uo32ShXTI2t9shhSSNmW0undFPIDLwsuYI)
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The thing is, DDoS can't be fully stopped. It may make it less strong, but can never fully stop it with no reflection
Thats actually your third post and you post that??? Busted ...
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If that guy is so epic, he would already smash my head to the keybsdjskdbwbewiuebiubequidbwuidbwuibed wiubduiwbdma
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i just dont understand why some1 needs to ruin games to the ones who just wanna play it. its not gandalf's fault or anyone's from server administration, only the guys who is doing this. if u are reading this, good luck for u in life. i bet u must be realy sad
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TO GANDALF:
Why is argonath constantly crashing and when 130+ people are online, there occurs always lag....
don't say it's because of DDOS attacks, because you are not more attacked then any other server on SA:MP... If you say it's because of DDOS, you're ignorant.
It HAS NOT been any change of the denial of gameplay since I joined Argonath, it was f**king 500 years ago, I getting pissed on this now, you cannot even handle a f**king
server, you should not be a owner if you cannot handle your own traffic.... -.-
Do you pay any cent to play on Argonath? I think not. Be happy that Argonath excists in the first place and that there is a server owner willing to create a community like this.
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Do you pay any cent to play on Argonath? I think not. Be happy that Argonath excists in the first place and that there is a server owner willing to create a community like this.
Very well said.
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The funny thing is, that in order to defeat any DDoS attack, you will need bandwidth, loads of it. Imagine the total bandwidth of the ENTIRE internet, plus 1: that's what you need to defeat any attack!:)
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The funny thing is, that in order to defeat any DDoS attack, you will need bandwidth, loads of it. Imagine the total bandwidth of the ENTIRE internet, plus 1: that's what you need to defeat any attack!:)
The also can create any DDoS protect team like 20-30 mans that will have access to the hold system they will check every think every second and they will have any big chance to block it up
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It would be fine if it happens sometimes, but this is continuous. Other communities are doing fortunes of money with things like donations, ranks on forum, in-game phone numbers, the opportunity to change your forum name and stuff, while we are sleeping.
Well if you insist I can mute you until you pay for the right to post... :lol:
Yes I know other communities make a lot of money by selling worthless things. And sometimes we are thinking of giving some options. However our base idea remains the same. Every player must be able to obtain eerything without paying, and we do not allow to pay RL money for in-game value.
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Well if you insist I can mute you until you pay for the right to post... :lol:
Yes I know other communities make a lot of money by selling worthless things. And sometimes we are thinking of giving some options. However our base idea remains the same. Every player must be able to obtain eerything without paying, and we do not allow to pay RL money for in-game value.
One thing on that ... if you see it from one side infact ARgonath is the same with the others . In Argonath you donate wihtout any excange . and in the other server you donate with totally worthless exchange ... So both way you get nothing ... So to eveyrone who would donate to get 100k IG ... simply donate to help the community , I my self would never donate and thats because I do not tend to spent money on games ...
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Gandalf since you are posting reguarly on this threat a little question.
I dont know alot of DDOS attack and such, But isnt it possible to switch the server to a different ip?
Or does a DDOS have nothing related to the server ip?
-Bas
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Gandalf since you are posting reguarly on this threat a little question.
I dont know alot of DDOS attack and such, But isnt it possible to switch the server to a different ip?
Or does a DDOS have nothing related to the server ip?
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They can switch it but what is the point they will find the new IP and ddos it again
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i just dont understand why some1 needs to ruin games
If I am not wrong, this DDoS attack comes from some player that was banned and denied forever. It is like a revenge. The thing I can't understand is why, having admins from nearly every country with a Argo community, we can't get legal ways to stop it. If that DDoSer is living in a european country, it is not hard to localise him (with logs), or at least his ISP and get some measures against it.
Actually, even Russia has his cyber-police. I had about 5 years ago problems with my CS server, which was DDoSed. We found the source of that threat, we localised the ISP and with help of that ISP we started blocking that guy with our cyberpolice. And - he got his problems, as even nowadays noany cable ISP is ready to bring him service. He still using the cellular 3G, which is slow in his city.
For all those smartasses, who think they can localize any attack and make the server run until the new Ice Age. If you're so smart, why don't you work in Google? As I'm a bit related with servers and scripting, I can say that Argo script is well done, even having it's bus and errors, and the server are quite good. Even they can't support a big DDoS attack - but many other bigger servers can't survive it. So, if you are so fucking smart - give your ideas, not your moaning.
And as for me - I am sad that I can't play tonight, so I'm going to NFS World..
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One thing on that ... if you see it from one side infact ARgonath is the same with the others . In Argonath you donate wihtout any excange . and in the other server you donate with totally worthless exchange ... So both way you get nothing ... So to eveyrone who would donate to get 100k IG ... simply donate to help the community , I my self would never donate and thats because I do not tend to spent money on games ...
Those in other communities may not be getting anything of physical value, but they are gaining an advantage over others through those methods. Argonath's Vision has never, and will never, allow such. Some may see it as a good idea to help the community, but as long as it violates the community's founding, it won't be put into place.
Gandalf since you are posting reguarly on this threat a little question.
I dont know alot of DDOS attack and such, But isnt it possible to switch the server to a different ip?
Or does a DDOS have nothing related to the server ip?
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It is possible, but takes too long to get DNS on it, and they could easily just attack the new IP right after.
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Thats actually your third post and you post that??? Busted ...
all hail the king
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The thing I can't understand is why, having admins from nearly every country with a Argo community, we can't get legal ways to stop it.
Who says we don't? ;)
all hail the king
The user he "busted" is a legitimate player.
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It is possible, but takes too long to get DNS on it, and they could easily just attack the new IP right after.
Though, if you would only send the ip in pm to users who are older then 2 weeks and dont have any recent big punishments or who are still banned, I think it should work.
But as i said im not a expert ;)
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Those in other communities may not be getting anything of physical value, but they are gaining an advantage over others through those methods. Argonath's Vision has never, and will never, allow such. Some may see it as a good idea to help the community, but as long as it violates the community's founding, it won't be put into place.
It is possible, but takes too long to get DNS on it, and they could easily just attack the new IP right after.
Well I actually ment that in both cases infact you get nothing so for those willing to pay for those advantages (basicly the Forums name lol) simply pay to keep the server up ... YOu actually have advantages by doing this but not only for your self
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Though, if you would only send the ip in pm to users who are older then 2 weeks and dont have a punishment, I think it should work.
But as i said im not a expert ;)
You would be sending out thousands of PM's, with most users not knowing. That would backlog the email server heavily, and most people wouldn't see the PM in time to actually connect.
Malicious users could easily get the IP from someone else anyway.
Well I actually ment that in both cases infact you get nothing so for those willing to pay for those advantages (basicly the Forums name lol) simply pay to keep the server up ... YOu actually have advantages by doing this but not only for your self
It would still be considered an advantage to anyone who can do it, because it would mean only those who donated money for said features would have access to them. That means others who don't or can't donate wouldn't be seen as equal in basic rights.
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It would still be considered an advantage to anyone who can do it, because it would mean only those who donated money for said features would have access to them. That means others who don't or can't donate wouldn't be seen as equal in basic rights.
How about those toys admins can spawn?
Like the small helicopter/tank/plane and such?
They dont really give a advantage.
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How about those toys admins can spawn?
Like the small helicopter/tank/plane and such?
They dont really give a advantage.
Those are spawned for events. If admins use their rights for themselves, they are abusing their positions, and you may report them to their Managers+.
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Admins can't spawn mini helicopters.. Only Managers+, so report them to CL+ :D
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It is possible, but takes too long to get DNS on it, and they could easily just attack the new IP right after.
Just lower the TTL to 5 minutes and have a backup-IP ready, nullroute the ip which is under attack and off you go.
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Just lower the TTL to 5 minutes and have a backup-IP ready, nullroute the ip which is under attack and off you go.
It can still take a long time to propagate worldwide.
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It can still take a long time to propagate worldwide.
True, however that's mainly due to DNS systems which rely heavily on caching and don't respect TTL's set by authoritative servers.
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It can still take a long time to propagate worldwide.
Well I guess you could let everyone know about it ... before it is needed but yeah forsure the DDoSer would also find his way ... Maybe telling it only to 1month+ players or so ... like sending 1000 messeges a day ... so everyone will know it in idk .. some months?
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Well I guess you could let everyone know about it ... before it is needed but yeah forsure the DDoSer would also find his way ... Maybe telling it only to 1month+ players or so ... like sending 1000 messeges a day ... so everyone will know it in idk .. some months?
You would be sending out thousands of PM's, with most users not knowing. That would backlog the email server heavily, and most people wouldn't see the PM in time to actually connect.
Malicious users could easily get the IP from someone else anyway.
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Well I guess you could let everyone know about it ... before it is needed but yeah forsure the DDoSer would also find his way ... Maybe telling it only to 1month+ players or so ... like sending 1000 messeges a day ... so everyone will know it in idk .. some months?
That's not what SugarD meant :)
We were discussing making a CNAME or A DNS record such as samp.argonathrpg.com. You can specify that the IP associated with that must be re-checked by your PC and all other DNS systems worldwide every five minutes. So during an attack, in theory the new IP should be up within 5 minutes.
SugarD correctly stated that some systems might take longer to make the change to the new IP worldwide.
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That's not what SugarD meant :)
We were discussing making a CNAME or A DNS record such as samp.argonathrpg.com. You can specify that the IP associated with that must be re-checked by your PC and all other DNS systems worldwide every five minutes. So during an attack, in theory the new IP should be up within 5 minutes.
SugarD correctly stated that some systems might take longer to make the change to the new IP worldwide.
Well I do not know much about but I got what you mean ... Well how much would that longer be? like 10 hours? and maybe it should be reduced to like ever 30minutes or so ... (I mean the checking for the new ip)
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Well I do not know much about but I got what you mean ... Well how much would that longer be? like 10 hours? and maybe it should be reduced to like ever 30minutes or so ... (I mean the checking for the new ip)
Sometimes it can take up to 2 days.
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Well I do not know much about but I got what you mean ... Well how much would that longer be? like 10 hours? and maybe it should be reduced to like ever 30minutes or so ...
The problem is that some DNS servers save the record in their cache so they don't have to re-check which IP belongs to samp.argonathrpg.com every time someone asks for it. TTL (Time to live) which can be set to 5 minutes by Gandalf, means every server should discard the IP from their cache after 5 minutes. In reality, most servers don't do this and will take longer (sometimes hours, yes).
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TO GANDALF
Why don't you make a DDo's Attack Protection team that will have access to the System 24/7 like 50 people 25 people daily and 25 people at the night so we will have a chance to block them
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Well I guess you could let everyone know about it ... before it is needed but yeah forsure the DDoSer would also find his way ... Maybe telling it only to 1month+ players or so ... like sending 1000 messeges a day ... so everyone will know it in idk .. some months?
Changing the server ip and keeping it hidden won't work there are 100 ways to discover the new ip-adress and the ip-adress has already changed a few time by my knowledge. We just need to find the people who are doing those attacks as i think it is illegal in most of the countries.
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Sometimes it can take up to 2 days.
Okay that much ... But infact some users could be playing in like 2 hours (many of them I hope) . Well nvm ... Its not really worth it after all . I mean the server will probably get up tomorrow so lets wait ... it wouldnt be fare of the others if some could get their ip updated but they couldnt ... and something on that ... Wouldnt the DDoSer also get the ip?
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TO GANDALF
Why don't you make a DDo's Attack Protection team that will have access to the System 24/7 like 50 people 25 people daily and 25 people at the night so we will have a chance to block them
Well that must be without money ... and what will those guys take for exchange? I mean its hard work ... they cant spent their time on that
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TO GANDALF
Why don't you make a DDo's Attack Protection team that will have access to the System 24/7 like 50 people 25 people daily and 25 people at the night so we will have a chance to block them
Because even if they detect it immediately, there is nothing that can be done to stop it.
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Because even if they detect it immediately, there is nothing that can be done to stop it.
they easly can block the attack if they are good at making their own programs they can create any program to stop the DDos
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they easly can block the attack if they are good at making their own programs they can create any program to stop the DDos
No such program exists. Absolutely nothing can be done short of taking the system offline that they are attacking, which to users has the same, exact effect.
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they easly can block the attack if they are good at making their own programs they can create any program to stop the DDos
Right, because creating advanced programmes to block hackers and ddosing is like eating cake.
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they easly can block the attack if they are good at making their own programs they can create any program to stop the DDos
Either learn to IT or either stop talking BS.
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they easly can block the attack if they are good at making their own programs they can create any program to stop the DDos
Not true. There is no ultimate solution to (D)DoS attacks, except for having a bandwidth that is greater than the bandwidth of the entire internet.
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As I understand you cant do something to stop it once it has started ... THen what do those DDoS "Defence" companies give to you?
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No such program exists. Absolutely nothing can be done short of taking the system offline that they are attacking, which to users has the same, exact effect.
Mark and SugarD so you think there can't be stopped why don't you get any Microsoft Programist to see how fast he will stop it up
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As I understand you cant do something to stop it once it has started ... THen what do those DDoS "Defence" companies give to you?
All they do is use very powerful, expensive systems to take the packets and split them thousands of ways so the load is very small, all while still allowing legitimate traffic through. Basically it's like 100 more users being on a website at once, but without the massive amounts of packets hitting all at once to crash the server.
Mark and SugarD so you think there can't be stopped why don't you get any Microsoft Programist to see how fast he will stop it up
Government websites get DDoS'ed all the time and can't do anything about it. They have access to things most webhosts don't.
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Though, if you would only send the ip in pm to users who are older then 2 weeks and dont have any recent big punishments or who are still banned, I think it should work.
But as i said im not a expert ;)
The problem is that by the time the change would be mutated the IP might have been back to the original one. So the players with slow DNS updates would need to wait twice.
they easly can block the attack if they are good at making their own programs they can create any program to stop the DDos
You are welcome to provide on that works to stop a flood that is double the server bandwitch.
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they easly can block the attack if they are good at making their own programs they can create any program to stop the DDos
What? Do you even know what a DDoS attack is?
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What? Do you even know what a DDoS is?
Sending the server a lot of massages making the lag very big or make it crash
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Okay something off topic ... About the donations and money ... What about adding more ads to the web sites? I mean I would prefer to have a lower ping and such even if I had to close 10 windows while opening the forums ... IG is the main part of argonath not the forums ...
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Our active forums is something that we could actually somehow abuse
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For those unsure of what a DDoS attack is, this may be a good read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack)
In basic terms, it is what happens when a user takes a group of servers (or clients) and "zombifies" them, essentially tricking them into each sending out massive amounts of packets at one time to a website or system without them knowing. On their own, a few computers generally can only cause slight lag, but with DDoS'ing tools abusing thousands of systems, as well as very powerful computing networks themselves, the effect is magnified hundreds of times. All those packets at once is just too much for the victim to handle at one time.
Think of it like traffic on a highway. When there is too much traffic, you get traffic jams and everyone gets stuck until they can't move. Meanwhile, you have more traffic at the end of it just piling up further. The highway gets so clogged, it can't do anything to clear up the traffic.
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Sending the server a lot of massages
(https://www.florianvandillen.nl/images/xW0m3J.png)
:rofl: :lol:
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So, when is server going to be back?
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So, when is server going to be back?
When Gandalf feels it is safe to unlock the IP address and bring the server back online.
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When Gandalf feels it is safe to unlock the IP address and bring the server back online.
Well, when he unlocked the IP tomorrow morning, what made him feel that it is safe to bring it back online?
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Well, when he unlocked the IP tomorrow morning, what made him feel that it is safe to bring it back online?
You would have to ask him. I cannot speak for him of his own opinions.
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Well, when he unlocked the IP tomorrow morning, what made him feel that it is safe to bring it back online?
well if you asked me ... you can never be sure about it ... I believe that Gandalf just wants to give some time in the situation ... let him get bored ... !!I suppose!!
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well if you asked me ... you can never be sure about it ... I believe that Gandalf just wants to give some time in the situation ... let him get bored ... !!I suppose!!
All attackers eventually do get bored, as we have been here for almost 7 years strong now, and still our enemies come back, begging for more. :)
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Okay something off topic ... About the donations and money ... What about adding more ads to the web sites? I mean I would prefer to have a lower ping and such even if I had to close 10 windows while opening the forums ... IG is the main part of argonath not the forums ...
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Our active forums is something that we could actually somehow abuse
The problem is that advertisers that use such things often hide malware. So apart from users being annoyed, they could be threatened just by opening our forum. However we are open to people buying the current ad spaces, that by itself would solve the problem.
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The problem is that advertisers that use such things often hide malware. So apart from users being annoyed, they could be threatened just by opening our forum. However we are open to people buying the current ad spaces, that by itself would solve the problem.
I didnt know there were already spaces left unowned ... Scrap my idea then ... But still if you could find some safe guys and you had no space for them I still encourage that idea ... I mean ... get us annoyed the forums im sure nobody will really care about it ...
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We have always had DDOS's, donating won't stop a thing, except if it's a large donation. ($1000+) In our community, the majority is studying and are struggling with money, so this won't happen.
There is no option besides waiting and report the DDOS.
As being said, the lag ingame can be fixed with better scripts, our teamof volunteers are working on it. To the team: Take your time and make our server grow again with new unique scripts. You got my appreciation and best wishes.
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I didnt know there were already spaces left unowned ... Scrap my idea then ... But still if you could find some safe guys and you had no space for them I still encourage that idea ... I mean ... get us annoyed the forums im sure nobody will really care about it ...
It's very difficult to find safe advertisers that are willing to advertise here specifically. Most companies that have an actual product to show off, (that is not paid through spam or malicious intent), is usually shown on very large, worldwide-popular websites. Argo is big, but to them it doesn't have the massive amount of attention they seek, so they brush us off as "small time". Malicious advertisers, however, only have the intent to cause damage, so they do not care how small or large a website is as long as they can effect their actions on as many people as possible at one time.
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Why are y'all so butthurt 'cus the server is down? Go outside, read a book, do something else than sitting at the computer playing sa-mp
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Why are y'all so butthurt 'cus the server is down? Go outside, read a book, do something else than sitting at the computer playing sa-mp
geez you sound like my mom..
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Well there are ways to reduce the ddos attack like implementing a fire wall that authenticates the packets and will only accept so many packets within a time span from a certain ip adress.
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Well there are ways to reduce the ddos attack like implementing a fire wall that authenticates the packets and will only accept so many packets within a time span from a certain ip adress.
With small DoS attacks, yes, but not large-scale DDoS attacks like the ones Argo is hit with.
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TO GANDALF
Why don't you make a DDo's Attack Protection team that will have access to the System 24/7 like 50 people 25 people daily and 25 people at the night so we will have a chance to block them
Because even if they detect it immediately, there is nothing that can be done to stop it.
Well that must be without money ... and what will those guys take for exchange? I mean its hard work ... they cant spent their time on that
He clearly stated "TO GANDALF", why are you even bothering.
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He clearly stated "TO GANDALF", why are you even bothering.
Because this is a public forum, he should have sent a PM to Gandalf if he only wanted him to answer.
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He clearly stated "TO GANDALF", why are you even bothering.
Because Gandalf has stated multiple times that it is too expensive to buy. So if you wish to donate 1000 dollar monthly, feel free to do so!
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One way to prevent DDoS is monitoring layers of packets, UDP floods, SYN floods, and TCP floods by using software like wireshark. But remember these will require people, perhaps you would have to pay someone to do it, unless people wants to volunteer.
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One way to prevent DDoS is monitoring layers of packets, UDP floods, SYN floods, and TCP floods by using software like wireshark. But remember these will require people, perhaps you would have to pay someone to do it, unless its made voluntary.
Even if we monitor them, there is nothing we can do to stop them.
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Even if we monitor them, there is nothing we can do to stop them.
Why not? you can block IP Addresses that sends those garbage, it will at least reduce the intensity of the attacks.
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I didnt know there were already spaces left unowned ... Scrap my idea then ... But still if you could find some safe guys and you had no space for them I still encourage that idea ... I mean ... get us annoyed the forums im sure nobody will really care about it ...
As long as you see things like Google ads there are spaces to be used ;)
As for counter attacking or blocking ,the issue is that a DDOS attack usually involves 100 or more IP's, and can use infected servers and PC's to make them.
We can block every singe IP, but with the billions of connections that does not help a lot. We usually do send abuse reports to the owners of the IP, however the same IP does not have to be used twice.
If we pinpoint the attacker (and that is not always possible) we try to take him out by legal ways. Simply because we do not want to go to their level.
Firewall software help only for a short time. The problem lies in not only the firewall being stressed out, but also the blocked traffic setting off alerts in the data center. That would make it look like we are making an attack, which is a more complicated matter to solve.
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Why not? you can block IP Addresses that sends those garbage, it will at least reduce the intensity of the attacks.
Gandalf pretty much said it, but yes...you're talking about an incredible amount of IP's. Even if you block them, it's still going to slow down the server from trying to stop all those connections at once.
Detecting the attacks isn't so much the problem as stopping them is. If someone can come up with a way to get the game server applications to connect to cloud hosting, then maybe we have a workaround...
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Because this is a public forum, he should have sent a PM to Gandalf if he only wanted him to answer.
Because Gandalf has stated multiple times that it is too expensive to buy. So if you wish to donate 1000 dollar monthly, feel free to do so!
I'm not telling you're wrong, but you seriously think your posts will matter to him when he wants Gandalf? Please.....
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Why not? you can block IP Addresses that sends those garbage, it will at least reduce the intensity of the attacks.
DDoS attacks can also involve regular people's PC. For example, a regular player of Argonath PC, his PC is infected with some kind of malware, that he is not aware of. However, the attacker has access to the player's PC and send DoS attack from there aswell, without the player being aware of it.
You do not want your IP to be blocked from Argonath permanently, do you?
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DDoS attacks can also involve regular people's PC. For example, a regular player of Argonath PC, his PC is infected with some kind of malware, that he is not aware of. However, the attacker has access to the player's PC and send DoS attack from there aswell, without the player being aware of it.
Correct. The two most common ways to initiate DDoS attacks are through powerful networks that haven't been properly secured, and through botnets, which are basically zombie computers infected with malware or hacked, and used to initiate things like DDoS attacks, sending out spam, and spreading malware further. Most users and network administrators in both situations don't know they have been infected/hacked, and 90% of the time it is because of poor judgement in system security/configuration.
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DDoS attacks can also involve regular people's PC. For example, a regular player of Argonath PC, his PC is infected with some kind of malware, that he is not aware of. However, the attacker has access to the player's PC and send DoS attack from there aswell, without the player being aware of it.
You do not want your IP to be blocked from Argonath permanently, do you?
+1, Taking cover is better than recovering.
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Correct. The two most common ways to initiate DDoS attacks are through powerful networks that haven't been properly secured, and through botnets, which are basically zombie computers infected with malware or hacked, and used to initiate things like DDoS attacks, sending out spam, and spreading malware further. Most users and network administrators in both situations don't know they have been infected/hacked, and 90% of the time it is because of poor judgement in system security/configuration.
Honestly why do you always need to repeat what someone else has already said but just word it differently? How bad does your post count matter to you?
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A server where everyone is on equal ground regarding making a living for their RP character.
Or a server where you can pay 5 dollars and instantly have a infernus spawned for you and 100k.
Go play GTA SA Singleplayer if you want to cheat your way to the top.
If you want to provide ways to entice players to donate, then find ways that do not include exclusive content nor advantages ingame, nor conflicts with the Argonath Vision.
I donated 150 euro (which is a huge hit on my private economy, because swedens job market is absolute shit and unfair).
I feel so mad and the need to blame the owners for something they cannot control hormones off some guy who downloads a program to DDOS with,
which I can estimate he did not even make himself. Like the majority of these script-kiddies.
Especially because I donated, I feel so uber mad. RAGE. RAAAAAAAAAGE! This is unproductive guys. It's not funny. Be ashamed.
Donations are your chooise, you are entitled to exactly nothing, except the good feeling that you wanted to contribute something beyond helping around in the community.
If you think that donating = entitles you to something. Please do not donate, because you are looking to buy something then. And that's different.
Listen guys, if you have ZERO actual knowledge, even basic knowledge. About how DDOS works. Please do not post.
Especially if you are going to shitpost along with said "opinion" or "solution".
As I can see, some old timers are dragging up shit about AB again.
As far as I'm concerned, they were not a target for lazy angry boys clicking buttons to ddos with. Nor do I think you have forgotten why this community started in the first place.
Gandalf and Aragorn are not people that would resort to faking attacks just to get a couple of dollars more in donations. That's ridicilous.
You guys have ALL the right to be angry, anyone get's angry when their fun is disrupted or something does not feel alright.
But turn that into something productive. Don't waste your energy on unproductive shit that leads nowhere.
Now, something I will actually agree with people on.
"Leave the community".
"Bla bla shit opinion here".
Stop this shit guys, the only thing you are doing are provoking, this leads absolutely nowhere. I think if they felt that was the solution, they would leave already.
It's also redundant and repeated so many times...
I even see people who I consider friends here, doing this.
and quite frankly I think you should get forum muted for doing this, it reeks of post hunting.
And you disappoint me. I know you guys, do better than this shit. You are not defending Argonath RPG doing this, the only thing
you are doing, is to alienate users and try to disallow concerns and opinions. Beat Arguments with Arguments, not with one liners.
My friends would not resort to this shit, day in and out for every little guy who does not agree with everything that is said in this community...
People will always disagree over something, does that automatically give you the right to post hunt and spew out parrot words at every turn?
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Honestly why do you always need to repeat what someone else has already said but just word it differently? How bad does your post count matter to you?
:roll: You should really discover this question in PM, no need to interfere it here.
PM me if you get an answer =))
DDoS attacks can also involve regular people's PC. For example, a regular player of Argonath PC, his PC is infected with some kind of malware, that he is not aware of. However, the attacker has access to the player's PC and send DoS attack from there aswell, without the player being aware of it.
This is common among the incompetent part of the web. Such as downloading and installing crap they shouldn't however it is still a really large problem. Groups like Anonymous use "zombies" as they are called, in order to launch the Paypal and MasterCard DDOS attacks. They also incorporated followers manually launching the attacks, people who "supported' their cause to download a program to do it for them, as well as using networked computers to initiate the attacks. Gandalf can most likely tell more directly which type of attack by reviewing the evidences.
It is important for everyone to often run virus scans, ensure you are downloading things from trusted sources, and you aren't using insecure browsers (like IE). You should also make sure your virus scanner has ability to scan links live and prevent you from accessing malware and such.
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The easiest way is to move to USA vps/dedicated, but almost every player will have like 100-200 ping
But the DDoS attacks will get countered...atleast most of them as USA hosts are strong
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DDoS attacks can also involve regular people's PC. For example, a regular player of Argonath PC, his PC is infected with some kind of malware, that he is not aware of. However, the attacker has access to the player's PC and send DoS attack from there aswell, without the player being aware of it.
You do not want your IP to be blocked from Argonath permanently, do you?
Is it so hard to just remove that ip block later on? No it isnt.
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The easiest way is to move to USA vps/dedicated, but almost every player will have like 100-200 ping
But the DDoS attacks will get countered...atleast most of them as USA hosts are strong
Theres no difference to hosting in the USA or Europe, they all have similar programmes and equipment.
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A server where everyone is on equal ground regarding making a living for their RP character.
Or a server where you can pay 5 dollars and instantly have a infernus spawned for you and 100k.
Go play GTA SA Singleplayer if you want to cheat your way to the top.
If you want to provide ways to entice players to donate, then find ways that do not include exclusive content nor advantages ingame, nor conflicts with the Argonath Vision.
I donated 150 euro (which is a huge hit on my private economy, because swedens job market is absolute shit and unfair).
I feel so mad and the need to blame the owners for something they cannot control hormones off some guy who downloads a program to DDOS with,
which I can estimate he did not even make himself. Like the majority of these script-kiddies.
Especially because I donated, I feel so uber mad. RAGE. RAAAAAAAAAGE! This is unproductive guys. It's not funny. Be ashamed.
Donations are your chooise, you are entitled to exactly nothing, except the good feeling that you wanted to contribute something beyond helping around in the community.
If you think that donating = entitles you to something. Please do not donate, because you are looking to buy something then. And that's different.
Listen guys, if you have ZERO actual knowledge, even basic knowledge. About how DDOS works. Please do not post.
Especially if you are going to shitpost along with said "opinion" or "solution".
As I can see, some old timers are dragging up shit about AB again.
As far as I'm concerned, they were not a target for lazy angry boys clicking buttons to ddos with. Nor do I think you have forgotten why this community started in the first place.
Gandalf and Aragorn are not people that would resort to faking attacks just to get a couple of dollars more in donations. That's ridicilous.
You guys have ALL the right to be angry, anyone get's angry when their fun is disrupted or something does not feel alright.
But turn that into something productive. Don't waste your energy on unproductive shit that leads nowhere.
Now, something I will actually agree with people on.
"Leave the community".
"Bla bla shit opinion here".
Stop this shit guys, the only thing you are doing are provoking, this leads absolutely nowhere. I think if they felt that was the solution, they would leave already.
It's also redundant and repeated so many times...
I even see people who I consider friends here, doing this.
and quite frankly I think you should get forum muted for doing this, it reeks of post hunting.
And you disappoint me. I know you guys, do better than this shit. You are not defending Argonath RPG doing this, the only thing
you are doing, is to alienate users and try to disallow concerns and opinions. Beat Arguments with Arguments, not with one liners.
My friends would not resort to this shit, day in and out for every little guy who does not agree with everything that is said in this community...
People will always disagree over something, does that automatically give you the right to post hunt and spew out parrot words at every turn?
Close topic on this point. Nobody else will say it better than him.
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People are ranting about people attacking the server and expect them to stop.. That's like asking them "Please stop attacking our server, we want to play" - It will never help, neither will complaining about it help. Just be patient and let Gandalf find a solution for it. Whether it takes over a 5 years or not, your parents waited 9 months for you to be born, yet they didn't moan at the doctors telling them to hurry up, they waited.
Now, wait.
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Your parents waited 9 months for you to be born, yet they didn't moan at the doctors telling them to hurry up, they waited
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This is not an image board, this is a forum.. Don't reply with image only.
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This is not an image board, this is a forum.. Don't reply with image only.
Don't go off topic then. Lead by example, instead of moan about it. You could have taken that comment on PM. Your not better then another of us, you
are abusing your power, to make someone stop. Shame.
This board says that everyone regarding DDOS can reply, who cares about a image, he simple expressed his feeling with the image and as the board does
not tell you nor any other to not post images, I see no point of moan about it, as it's as much legal way of express yourself then you writing some pointless text like yours.
Next time, take it over PM, please.
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Enough nonsense.
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Don't go off topic then. Lead by example, instead of moan about it. You could have taken that comment on PM. Your not better then another of us, you
are abusing your power, to make someone stop. Shame.
[email protected] - Moan about it there.
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Okay, i wish to add my input on this whole thing.
Honestly, it does not seem like this DDoS is ever going to end. We heard a lot of times before that Argonath RPG owners have found the one responsible for the constant attacks on Argonath RPG and has charged him, however, even after countless of those claims, DDoS still keeps happening. Perhaps, we're looking into a wrong thing? Maybe it is not DDoS after all? Maybe there is some sort of a script fault, perhaps? If it is, we will find that out when RS5 comes out.
And about Gobbii.... I'm quite surprised he is not banned yet after such claims, shitting and moaning..
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Is it the guy who's name shall never be said?
The guy whos name starts with W and has been doing this stuff for so long? Is he back?
D:
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Yea, he said he did it cause Sugarpedia said something he didn't like.
And about "bans", then 95% of argo should be banned.
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Seeing as the DDOS has finished, this topic can be closed.