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Title: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Huntsman on June 05, 2013, 05:20:28 pm
Source : http://kauno.diena.lt/naujienos/lietuva/lietuvos-kariuomeneje-turetu-atsirasti-husaru-ulonu-ir-dragunu-499273 (http://kauno.diena.lt/naujienos/lietuva/lietuvos-kariuomeneje-turetu-atsirasti-husaru-ulonu-ir-dragunu-499273) (Lithuanian)

Lithuanian military is under-going a reformation to continue and preserve the traditiosn of Lithuanian armed forces. Hussars, Dragoons and Lances were the main fighters of Polish - Lithuanian commonwealth during the middle ages (For the western world - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth)). After the re-creation of Lithuanian Republic in 1918, these names were returned to Lithuanian Military, however, after leaving the Soviet Union, they were forgot in the past. Right nowthese names are to return to the Lithuanian Military.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: JayL on June 06, 2013, 05:25:36 pm
I really don't know whether it is the UK or Lithuania-Poland that waste more time ''showing off'' what they were like centuries ago.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: [WS]Jacob on June 06, 2013, 05:51:52 pm
I really don't know whether it is the UK or Lithuania-Poland that waste more time ''showing off'' what they were like centuries ago.
We've kept the monarchy and with that military traditions. Not many people here complain about it, more support it.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Mikal on June 06, 2013, 09:01:44 pm
I really don't know whether it is the UK or Lithuania-Poland that waste more time ''showing off'' what they were like centuries ago.
How is it showing off? Unlike many countries the UK can back up it's traditions with actual military might, and since when is keeping tradition a bad thing? It's one of the reasons the UK gets so many tourists.

We arnt exactly calling the SAS 'Knights' are we, so uhm, kind of makes no sense why you'd bring that argument up in this Lithuanian topic.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Jimmylicious on June 06, 2013, 10:23:35 pm
wait we have a military?
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: [WS]Jacob on June 06, 2013, 11:15:41 pm
wait we have a military?
To quote Frank Hawk.

British Military Power | The British Are Coming | 2013 | HD | (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85RWntolNRI#ws)
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: JayL on June 06, 2013, 11:18:35 pm
wait we have a military?

A Mosin-Nagant rifle, a Soviet APC (presidential limo) and a half of a T-34, I think.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Mikal on June 06, 2013, 11:24:18 pm
To quote Frank Hawk.

British Military Power | The British Are Coming | 2013 | HD | (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85RWntolNRI#ws)
No no, this is his best video. :D

British Military Power | Defenders of the Falklands | 2013 | HD | (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5JkBsATplI#ws)
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Huntsman on June 07, 2013, 04:20:29 pm
I really don't know whether it is the UK or Lithuania-Poland that waste more time ''showing off'' what they were like centuries ago.

A Mosin-Nagant rifle, a Soviet APC (presidential limo) and a half of a T-34, I think.

Stop spreading your bullshit hatred around the forums before I get someone to take action. Lithuanian military has advanced technology and weaponary, we do not need a tank to defend our nation, just like we didnt in 1991.

Showing off? What does that have to do about it? We're following our traditions

You're angry because your country does not have anything to show off about/
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Mario_Rinna on June 07, 2013, 07:27:43 pm
Stop spreading your bullshit hatred around the forums before I get someone to take action. Lithuanian military has advanced technology and weaponary, we do not need a tank to defend our nation, just like we didnt in 1991.
Yes, you can just submit to any opposing force, why start a war?
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: JayL on June 07, 2013, 07:42:15 pm
Stop spreading your bullshit hatred around the forums before I get someone to take action. Lithuanian military has advanced technology and weaponary, we do not need a tank to defend our nation, just like we didnt in 1991.

Showing off? What does that have to do about it? We're following our traditions

You're angry because your country does not have anything to show off about/

I am not spreading any hatred, nor am I angry. I am just saying that the British constantly emphasize their long-gone importance of the neocolonial era, while such emphasis will not change their current position in world affairs (their prestige from this era already gave what it had to give). In the same way, there is emphasis from Lithuania (and Poland) on the things related to PLC which are not followed by any other changes, hence the waste of time. I never meant to irritate you with this.

By the way, if the Lithuanian military is modern, why are they reintroducing ranks of 400 years ago out of the blue, just for the sake of traditional naming?
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Mikal on June 07, 2013, 08:49:21 pm
I am not spreading any hatred, nor am I angry. I am just saying that the British constantly emphasize their long-gone importance of the neocolonial era, while such emphasis will not change their current position in world affairs (their prestige from this era already gave what it had to give). In the same way, there is emphasis from Lithuania (and Poland) on the things related to PLC which are not followed by any other changes, hence the waste of time. I never meant to irritate you with this.

By the way, if the Lithuanian military is modern, why are they reintroducing ranks of 400 years ago out of the blue, just for the sake of traditional naming?
So you went from targeting Lithuania to specifically targeting the UK, I'm not sure wether it's jealousy or wether you just have a grudge with the UK, but either way we follow our traditions, and still are a global power, our 'long-gone' importance hasn't gone anywhere, I don't see Brazil fighting the Taliban or protecting trade routes from Somali pirates and just general global policing, all of which the UK does, it's clear you'll come back with a big headed response and tell me how crap my country is and how wrong I am, but it won't bother me and I probably wont read it, if Lithuania wants to bring back history of theirs, then why shouldn't they? It's a name, they arn't giving their soldiers metal armour and an iron sword..
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: [WS]Jacob on June 07, 2013, 08:55:02 pm
I am not spreading any hatred, nor am I angry. I am just saying that the British constantly emphasize their long-gone importance of the neocolonial era, while such emphasis will not change their current position in world affairs (their prestige from this era already gave what it had to give).
Just by having a monarchy and parading soldiers up and down outside Buckingham Palace? It's our history and most of us are proud of it.

(http://i.imgur.com/izg3Y6F.png)
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Mikal on June 07, 2013, 09:06:49 pm
Just by having a monarchy and parading soldiers up and down outside Buckingham Palace? It's our history and most of us are proud of it.
All of us are proud of it. :D
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Salmonella on June 07, 2013, 11:11:36 pm
I am not spreading any hatred, nor am I angry. I am just saying that the British constantly emphasize their long-gone importance of the neocolonial era, while such emphasis will not change their current position in world affairs (their prestige from this era already gave what it had to give). In the same way, there is emphasis from Lithuania (and Poland) on the things related to PLC which are not followed by any other changes, hence the waste of time. I never meant to irritate you with this.

By the way, if the Lithuanian military is modern, why are they reintroducing ranks of 400 years ago out of the blue, just for the sake of traditional naming?

You obviously have something against the Lithuanian army if you say bullshit like: 'They only have a T-34 and other crappy soviet vehicles'. 1 Tiger = 20 T-34s

The soviet union and communism don't exist anymore. In fact, the latter was never accomplished by the soviet union in the first place. Get real, and stop spreading lies about former soviet countries.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: JayL on June 08, 2013, 01:26:50 am
You obviously have something against the Lithuanian army if you say bullshit like: 'They only have a T-34 and other crappy soviet vehicles'. 1 Tiger = 20 T-34s

The soviet union and communism don't exist anymore. In fact, the latter was never accomplished by the soviet union in the first place. Get real, and stop spreading lies about former soviet countries.

Good to see that the glorious 9 May still kills the sense of humor of nazis. Or, in this case, crypto-nazis.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Mario_Rinna on June 08, 2013, 01:36:32 am
1 Tiger = 20 T-34s
Lol, if that was the case, Herr Hitler would have won.  :razz:

Who the hell compares medium and heavy tanks anyway?

The soviet union and communism don't exist anymore. In fact, the latter was never accomplished by the soviet union in the first place.
Yeah, no shit: perhaps you should stop spreading the obvious.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Mikal on June 08, 2013, 01:37:32 am
Tigers were the best tanks of their time. :roll:
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Mario_Rinna on June 08, 2013, 01:45:46 am
Tigers were the best tanks of their time. :roll:
Tanks didn't matter as much as mattered skills and the will to survive, to win. And it is clear that those were the best won.

Now, enough off-topic, please.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Huntsman on June 08, 2013, 09:39:39 am
Did you hear what American soldiers say about Lithuanian soldiers in Afghanistan? Did you know that interrupted Taliban radio traffic was translated into "Watch out for those blue eyed demon Lithuanians, if you see any of them - run away as fast as you can!". An American news paper came up with a front page saying "Hells Angels: Lithuanian style". Both American and Afghan forces repeatedly pick up signals about Taliban having Lithuanian phobia.
Lithuania military (HD) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRYxjbwMgq4#ws)

Lithuanian forces were never big, yet we beaten Crusaders, greatly outnumbered, beaten Soviets in the interwar period, greatly outnumbered once again, then beaten Bermontians and stopped the Polish invasion further. Historians from many different countries state that if Smetona wouldnt have ran away and gave an order to defend against the Soviet attack 1939, we would have a great chance of successfully defending our country.

We have only one tank, yes, but our soldiers specialize in infantry tactics and they're taken as prestige amongst NATO forces in the desert. Quality over quantity.
And about bringing up the ranks - it's because of the traditions, not because of showing off or reviving ranks 300 years old.

Yes, you can just submit to any opposing force, why start a war?

Mate, if Smetona would have gave an order to attack instead of running away like a pussy, Lithuanians would have never been under Soviet Control, we had enough military might to march all the way to the f**king Pskov. And not in quantity, but in quality.

Lithuanian army

Please do not say Lithuanian Army. We never had an army, we call it military and armed forces.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Mario_Rinna on June 08, 2013, 01:44:44 pm
Mate, if Smetona would have gave an order to attack instead of running away like a pussy, Lithuanians would have never been under Soviet Control, we had enough military might to march all the way to the f**king Pskov. And not in quantity, but in quality.
Even if some miracle like that happened, it would be followed by an epic fiasco of your ''forces'' at Pskov and elimination of half of your population. Smetona actually made a very adequate decision.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Huntsman on June 08, 2013, 03:31:38 pm
Even if some miracle like that happened, it would be followed by an epic fiasco of your ''forces'' at Pskov and elimination of half of your population. Smetona actually made a very adequate decision.

No he did not, Russian forces were a lot weaker than the ones of Lithuanians back then. And our intentions would not be to go to Pskov, we would simply defend our borders just like Finnish did, probably making a front with Latvians and Estonians.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Gandalf on June 08, 2013, 04:51:07 pm
The reason Lithuanians did well against the Taliban is Soviet military training.
Just as most of your education and infrastructure comes from Soviet times.

If you were to fight a modern army, what would be left is Hussar salad.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: JayL on June 08, 2013, 05:35:12 pm
What do you expect Taliban to recommend their militias on how to deal with foreign soldiers? They are a guerrilla fighting in an assymetrical war, obviously they will tell each other to run away.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Mario_Rinna on June 08, 2013, 05:53:00 pm
No he did not, Russian forces were a lot weaker than the ones of Lithuanians back then.
Yes, and water was dry back then.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Gandalf on June 08, 2013, 05:54:07 pm
What do you expect Taliban to recommend their militias on how to deal with foreign soldiers? They are a guerrilla fighting in an assymetrical war, obviously they will tell each other to run away.
If you were Russian you would know why running is more effective as fighting in the case of Lithuanians... but that is getting in to cruel jokes. ;)
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Salmonella on June 08, 2013, 07:09:56 pm
Lol, if that was the case, Herr Hitler would have won.  :razz:

The ratio was lower than that in most cases, especially after D-Day. ;)

Yeah, no shit: perhaps you should stop spreading the obvious.

Not so obvious to JayL, apparently.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Huntsman on June 08, 2013, 07:27:03 pm
The reason Lithuanians did well against the Taliban is Soviet military training.

What , what and once again WHAT? How is that even possible? Lithuania DID NOT HAVE its own military during the Soviet Era, the military was global, and the military portion in Lithuanian SSR was mostly Russian, so WTF? Besides, Lithuanians modern armed force was formed in 1992, so get your facts right ;)

Just as most of your education and infrastructure comes from Soviet times.

Excuse me sir, but Lithuania as a republic was created in 1918, nothing much changed regarding politics since then, the only difference now is that president has almost no power, but back then he was nearly a god (Autoritarian state).
Education - if we were to teach by Soviet education - Lithuania never existed, Lithuanians are Russians, US are evil capitalists.

Sorry, but I thought Russians have changed, but their position regarding the ex Soviet countries remains primitive as it was...
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Borus on June 08, 2013, 07:49:54 pm
Sorry, but I thought Russians have changed, but their position regarding the ex Soviet countries remains primitive as it was...
You seem upset sir :(
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Huntsman on June 08, 2013, 07:56:58 pm
You seem upset sir :(

Yes, i am indeed. I had a fortune to hang out with some Russians in an international festival this year, as i was the only person out of Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian delegations who speaks Russian :D (There were Russians, Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians participating). You guys seem like very nice people, but your views on politics towards ex .Soviet states are horrible.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: KhornateMonkey on June 08, 2013, 08:09:44 pm
You guys seem like very nice people, but your views on politics towards ex .Soviet states are horrible.

Black people are very sociable, but they all steal.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: [WS]Jacob on June 08, 2013, 08:11:50 pm
Black people are very sociable, but they all steal.
What...
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Gandalf on June 08, 2013, 08:38:23 pm
Yes, i am indeed. I had a fortune to hang out with some Russians in an international festival this year, as i was the only person out of Lithuanian, Latvian and Estonian delegations who speaks Russian :D (There were Russians, Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians participating). You guys seem like very nice people, but your views on politics towards ex .Soviet states are horrible.
We merely reflect your view on politics.
I think it is far from the truth that the Lithuanian military forces were formed from people without any training received during the USSR, or having had high positions in the USSR army.
This very unlike the USSR army that fought the Lithuanians in 1918, when most of the former miliraty staff had been killed or defected to save their life.

The USSR provided free education and health care for all citizens, Lithuania was no exception. That is why the current former USSR republics had a 99% literacy, even if there were many nomadic and distant tribes.

It is foolish that Lithuanians no longer speak Russian, their only reason is their political view. Before becoming independent (and giving away the independency as soon as possible as in 1939) Russia would provide your main source of income.


Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: JayL on June 08, 2013, 08:56:26 pm
Not so obvious to JayL, apparently.

The fact you are talking about is as clear to me as the fact that Nazi Germany failed to prove any Aryan supremacy, failed to exterminate Jews, Gypsies or any other ethnicity, for example (actually, they only fueled supportive wishes of Jews and egalitarian thoughts). And, above all, threw all their progress down the hole. :lol:
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Salmonella on June 08, 2013, 09:33:55 pm
The fact you are talking about is as clear to me as the fact that Nazi Germany failed to prove any Aryan supremacy, failed to exterminate Jews, Gypsies or any other ethnicity, for example (actually, they only fueled supportive wishes of Jews and egalitarian thoughts). And, above all, threw all their progress down the hole. :lol:

I hope it is, for your own good. ;)
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Huntsman on June 08, 2013, 09:37:28 pm
We merely reflect your view on politics.
I think it is far from the truth that the Lithuanian military forces were formed from people without any training received during the USSR, or having had high positions in the USSR army.
This very unlike the USSR army that fought the Lithuanians in 1918, when most of the former miliraty staff had been killed or defected to save their life.

The USSR provided free education and health care for all citizens, Lithuania was no exception. That is why the current former USSR republics had a 99% literacy, even if there were many nomadic and distant tribes.

It is foolish that Lithuanians no longer speak Russian, their only reason is their political view. Before becoming independent (and giving away the independency as soon as possible as in 1939) Russia would provide your main source of income.


90 percent of Lithuanians think positively of Russians, the other part - 10 percent - uneducated kids who think Russia is guilty for everything.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Gandalf on June 08, 2013, 09:54:33 pm
90 percent of Lithuanians think positively of Russians, the other part - 10 percent - uneducated kids who think Russia is guilty for everything.
Most Russians also think positive of Lithuanians, even if they can make some jokes. The one thing they however do not understand is why Lithuanians stopped learning Russian and treat it like an enemy language.
Yes we all know about Stalin, but Stalin was hating all republics equally.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Huntsman on June 09, 2013, 01:10:07 pm
Most Russians also think positive of Lithuanians, even if they can make some jokes. The one thing they however do not understand is why Lithuanians stopped learning Russian and treat it like an enemy language.
Yes we all know about Stalin, but Stalin was hating all republics equally.

Lithuanians did not stop learning English. In our schools Russian is still being taught, only as the second foreign language though, English is considered the first. The Russian teaching programme is very good, however, the students themselves are just too lazy and non motivated to learn Russian - they prioritize English
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Mikal on June 09, 2013, 01:45:27 pm
Lithuanians did not stop learning English. In our schools Russian is still being taught, only as the second foreign language though, English is considered the first. The Russian teaching programme is very good, however, the students themselves are just too lazy and non motivated to learn Russian - they prioritize English
Do you guys spell harbour with a u?
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: [WS]Jacob on June 09, 2013, 06:05:51 pm
students themselves are just too lazy and non motivated to learn Russian - they prioritize English
Just so that they can play Argonath RPG ;)
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Huntsman on June 09, 2013, 06:10:08 pm
Just so that they can play Argonath RPG ;)

I know four Lithuanians and one British Lithuanian that plays Argo. And where are the rest 2 999 995 Lithuanians? :D
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Mikal on June 09, 2013, 06:14:24 pm
And where are the rest 2 999 995 Lithuanians? :D
On the toilet or taking a nap? :conf:
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Driggz on June 09, 2013, 06:18:26 pm
Lithuanians did not stop learning English. In our schools Russian is still being taught, only as the second foreign language though, English is considered the first. The Russian teaching programme is very good, however, the students themselves are just too lazy and non motivated to learn Russian - they prioritize English

I've found the only part that is hard to master is the alphabet. I've moved from Russia to America when I was 9 months old and still have to yet to master the alphabet perfectly :)
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Jubin on June 10, 2013, 01:54:54 pm
Yes we all know about Stalin, but Stalin was hating all republics equally.
Nah, I'd say Stalin had a sweet spot for Ukraine.
Title: Re: Lithuanian military Marines are soon to be called Hussars, Dragoons and Lances
Post by: Huntsman on June 12, 2013, 09:20:22 am
Nah, I'd say Stalin had a sweet spot for Ukraine.

Yet starved them to near extinction...  :poke:
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