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Title: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Gandalf on August 07, 2013, 04:46:31 pm
In one or two days we will move to the new server, which means all logs of the past time will be once again reachable for the management. The logs have been recorded, just access has been near impossible. This brings me to put out a clarification on our scamming policies and a (not so) friendly warning.

Scamming is allowed only between regular players and with respect to illegal deals.
This means that a scam in case of a drugs deal between veterans will not be handled by the management. However if a new player is scammed out of his/her  money in whatever kind of deal the scammer will be punished.

Scamming in regular deals is a bannable offense. Apart from the ban, further punishment may be given.

This leads to an issue that management has requested me to take some action in : a current wave of casino scamming. Those who expected to go free on this will find that they do not, as all transactions have been logged. There for it may be a good time for those who scammed others to undo their actions.

From the moment the logs will be available, these punishments may come in effect:
1. Scammed money is removed from the account double
2. Any business or house properties or cars will be sold without compensation should the account land in negative numbers.
3. Any account use for laundering of scammed money will get equal punishment. If that means the punishment will be 10 times the amount scammed, not our fault.
4. Any account found used for scamming and laundering that belings to a multi-accounter (player with more than one account) will see all the accounts of that player destroyed, regardless of their value or how long the player has been on server

Those of you who have been involved in scamming might think over what can happen to them in the nearest days. If you make amends by returning the scammed money before the logs are back, punishment may be limited to a ban or less, depending on your actions.

However if you wish to gamble on our inability to find exactly what happened, you will find yourself on the losing end.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Dennis. on August 07, 2013, 05:02:16 pm
Good.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Cyril on August 07, 2013, 05:03:45 pm
If you have scammed anyone and want to avoid big trouble when logs are back, I advice you to pay your due to the person you scammed as soon as possible. If you did so, then please send me a PM.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Astaroth on August 07, 2013, 05:16:13 pm
Let the show begin! :D
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Marcel on August 07, 2013, 05:21:09 pm
Awwwyyeaah! Let the hunt begin!
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Devin on August 07, 2013, 05:38:14 pm
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/Hunting_Season_Poster.png)

It's not too late to say sorry and correct your wrong doings, it's your final chance.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: KhornateMonkey on August 07, 2013, 05:59:11 pm
However if a new player is scammed out of his/her  money in whatever kind of deal the scammer will be punished.

For players benefit, in what period(for how long) is a player classed as new?
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: AK47 on August 07, 2013, 06:04:06 pm
For players benefit, in what period(for how long) is a player classed as new?

Always wondered that too.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Brian on August 07, 2013, 06:07:25 pm
For players benefit, in what period(for how long) is a player classed as new?
As far as i've been told, exactly one month after register time, but I can be wrong.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Cyril on August 07, 2013, 06:09:38 pm
It depends on players... If you take one guy that is registered since 2 months but he played only 1 hour and doesn't have a passport then he is still considered "new". It depends on player experiences and their knowledge of what happen around them.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: KhornateMonkey on August 07, 2013, 06:32:25 pm
It depends on players... If you take one guy that is registered since 2 months but he played only 1 hour and doesn't have a passport then he is still considered "new". It depends on player experiences and their knowledge of what happen around them.

Then how are players meant to recognise this, as they will have no clue as to how long the player has played.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Gandalf on August 07, 2013, 06:45:22 pm
For players benefit, in what period(for how long) is a player classed as new?
Until his first unban request?
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Zaila on August 07, 2013, 06:49:50 pm
Until his first unban request?

Uhm... Then i must be one fo the longest 'new player' here!



I would take Gandalfs warning seriously. Just because the server have had troubles last month, it doesn't mean you can behave as you want. Remember, you will be caught.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Cyril on August 07, 2013, 06:54:01 pm
Until his first unban request?

I'm still a new player then!
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Mario_Rinna on August 07, 2013, 06:57:09 pm
From a side of a law-abiding casino, the best thing to do may be to introduce chips. 1 chip = 1 dollar, or whatever the rate. Let people buy chips from staff, gamble, and then sell back to casino, if they have any. It will require more effort to keep track of these role-played chips rolling around, but reduces the likelihood of a player trying to scam the casino.

Of course, some casinos may be against it; however, I hope they will recognize that this improvement will make the "system" more secure.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Orel on August 07, 2013, 07:46:09 pm
Then how are players meant to recognise this, as they will have no clue as to how long the player has played.
We can see it from his actions and the way he plays.
Nice to hear that :)
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Hyuga. on August 07, 2013, 08:57:49 pm
Glad to see the heavy penalties those scammers receive. Even more glad to hear that we're moving to a new server soon. Brilliant news!
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: [WS]Jacob on August 07, 2013, 09:08:09 pm
As Monkey says we need more clarification on what is meant by the term "new player".

It depends on players... If you take one guy that is registered since 2 months but he played only 1 hour and doesn't have a passport then he is still considered "new". It depends on player experiences and their knowledge of what happen around them.
Then it will be different for each individual player and cause confusion. The term needs to relate to all players regardless of how quickly they can pick up the server. Each person's interpretation of what they think is a new player will be different from the next's.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Louis_Smith on August 07, 2013, 09:43:12 pm
i just got scammed 3 times and none returned my money , i got SS and all....
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Vector on August 07, 2013, 09:46:55 pm
Great finally i would get my money back that has scammed by a gambler in casino.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Devin on August 07, 2013, 10:18:23 pm
Baron all reported casino scams will be dealt with as soon as we are able to, and the money will be returned in the case that it was a scam once we solve it.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Axison on August 07, 2013, 10:30:06 pm
Well i dont really think i scammed anyone and i am not even gonna think of it but i have a question. I have 2 other brothers playing on Argo, one does not regularly play i mean sometimes he plays, and the other one does not even play samp, in the past month i think i needed someone to hold a property for me so i asked my brother who's barley active that can he hold a property for me,he said yes, so with the help of a admin i sent money to the account "Thorin" and he purchased the property, then in a couple of days i told him to sell the property and transfer the money back to my account. And it was all done, now i dont have anyone holding properties for me. So the question is, am i gonna grt in trouble for sending money to my brother's account and telling him to hold a property for me?
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Shorty. on August 08, 2013, 12:56:53 am
Well this punishment is hard , Good.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: hussaini on August 08, 2013, 09:58:34 am
Hey bro gandalf finally i got u  iam haji
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Kirgiz on August 08, 2013, 01:53:43 pm
In one or two days we will move to the new server, which means all logs of the past time will be once again reachable for the management. The logs have been recorded, just access has been near impossible. This brings me to put out a clarification on our scamming policies and a (not so) friendly warning.

Scamming is allowed only between regular players and with respect to illegal deals.
This means that a scam in case of a drugs deal between veterans will not be handled by the management. However if a new player is scammed out of his/her  money in whatever kind of deal the scammer will be punished.

The questions rise from the beginning paragraphs of the topic, and yet there are no answers (replying right after reading the OP) - What is considered "new player", and when does such "new player" transform into "regular"?
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Kirgiz on August 08, 2013, 01:56:45 pm
EDIT: After reading the following post and a couple above

It depends on players... If you take one guy that is registered since 2 months but he played only 1 hour and doesn't have a passport then he is still considered "new". It depends on player experiences and their knowledge of what happen around them.

How do you plan for "scammers" to determine whether its a new player or not? He could have passport after a week, then go on a break for 4 months. /whenmade will still show he is almost 4,5 months "old" on the server, therefore it would be safe to assume he isn't new but regular, yet, truth be told, he isn't, not a single iota. Why do you make it even more confusing?

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We can see it from his actions and the way he plays.

You fail to assume that the said "new player" could just easily come from another server but equally be experienced for Argonath Standards.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Cyril on August 08, 2013, 01:59:54 pm
EDIT: After reading the following post and a couple above

How do you plan for "scammers" to determine whether its a new player or not? He could have passport after a week, then go on a break for 4 months. /whenmade will still show he is almost 4,5 months "old" on the server, therefore it would be safe to assume he isn't new but regular, yet, truth be told, he isn't, not a single iota. Why do you make it even more confusing?

Nothing refrain you from checking his activity on the panel or ask an admin. If you are not sure, then don't scam and you won't have any problem.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Kirgiz on August 08, 2013, 03:08:14 pm
Nothing refrain you from checking his activity on the panel or ask an admin. If you are not sure, then don't scam and you won't have any problem.
That's exactly the point, it shouldn't be the scammers' problem. We need to go deeper.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Cyril on August 08, 2013, 03:23:46 pm
We are currently discussing the definition of "new player". The outcome will be published here so there won't be problems related to "how to find out if someone is new" anymore.

Edit: Here you go: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=98584.msg1578107#msg1578107
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Regie_West on August 09, 2013, 03:03:43 am
Baron all reported casino scams will be dealt with as soon as we are able to, and the money will be returned in the case that it was a scam once we solve it.

"and the money will be turned in the case that is was a scam" pretend you gambled 100k and you were suppose to win 200k but someone scammed you.. Do you get the amount of money before or after you got scammed?
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Teddy on August 09, 2013, 06:34:26 am
"and the money will be turned in the case that is was a scam" pretend you gambled 100k and you were suppose to win 200k but someone scammed you.. Do you get the amount of money before or after you got scammed?

Unless changed recently the exact amount in which was lost. However, that isn't entirely relevant to the topic. In these cases the objective should not be focused on a profit. To avoid this ensure you are taking proper precautions in who you gamble with. If you do gamble with someone it can be really hard to tell if they have the money to forfeit in the event of a loss. The same applies to you, be smart and don't wager more than you can afford otherwise it can lead you into serious trouble. Always keep an eye on the amount of money you have, you can easily get carried away.
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Zorex116 on August 09, 2013, 08:25:07 am
Same applies to weapons dealing scam outside Ammunation?
Title: Re: Policy on (casino) scamming
Post by: Kojak on August 09, 2013, 09:28:18 am
To confirm if you are the victim of being scammed while gambling in a casino, you will be reimbursed to the amount of the stake you lost. So if you gambled 100k and won, then you should have been paid 200k in total (stake plus winnings), however in the event you are scammed in this case we will only reimburse you what you actually lost which is the stake of 100k.

We will take more than that from the scammer, but you will only be refunded the amount you actually lost.

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