Argonath RPG - A World of its own
GTA:SA => SA:MP - San Andreas Multiplayer => SA:MP General => Topic started by: AK47 on August 10, 2013, 04:14:59 pm
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Yo,
Recently (some min ago), my friend recevied 30k ARD from another player, he got a PM that said; "Please send it back, sent it wrongly".
Then I told my friend to keep the cash as it is the other players responsibility to check the correct ID of the player he will send money too.
After a while an admin PMd my friend to give back the money, otherwise you will be banned for scamming.
And I wonder, how exactlyy can it be scamming if another player fails to send money to the correct ID and I receive it and I want to keep it.
I mean, it's not my fault that he misspelled the ID? And why shouldn't I be able to decide if I will give it back or keep it?
/explain
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How would you react if you sent, let's say, 500k to the wrong player and he decides to keep it?
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It is not scamming, no attempt was made to deceive or coerce, it was just an accident and you should not be banned for it. However, we will still insist you pay it back, and if you refuse we will take it from your inventory and return it to the player.
If a player keeps sending money to the wrong players, this happens sometimes with gamblers, we will likely run out of sympathy eventually.
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I think this could be multiaccountung and first of all what u had to do, that's pm admin for this accident!
i Guess he could go near him and send money if he really needed it, and if i'm regular player and i wire to wrong guy that 30k i'm sure admins won't do anything..., because it's my responsibility, so why should he give that money back? A?
he can't ask someone random player to send money to other guy.!
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I think this could be multiaccountung and first of all what u had to do, that's pm admin for this accident!
i Guess he could go near him and send money if he really needed it, and if i'm regular player and i wire to wrong guy that 30k i'm sure admins won't do anything..., because it's my responsibility, so why should he give that money back? A?
he can't ask someone random player to send money to other guy.!
Did you even read Kojak's post?
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But he writed that if he will not send back money, they will take from his inventory and return money back!
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If a player sends you money by accident, it is your duty to send it back to him.
When you do not have the courtesy to send it back if someone makes a mistake, find another server.
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Just to add to my answer, I said that we would remove the money from your inventory and return it to the player; however sometimes that might not be possible if a manager+ is not available, in which case you may be ordered to return it. If you are ordered to return it and refuse you may be banned so the matter can be resolved. Admins do have the authority to ban you in such a case.
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Ye i can decide if i want to send it back or no.If admins ask you and reject you don't need to be banned cause thats not even scamming.
Manager+ Can transfer your moneys to the person who send the money by mistake.
I have another question.
What if i get like 100k and what if i spend those moneys what is going to happen to me?
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I have another question.
What if i get like 100k and what if i spend those moneys what is going to happen to me?
100k will still be removed from you.
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Simple,
Player accidentally sends you money:
Choice 1 - Return the money
Choice 2 - Don't return the money, face getting banned and the money will still be removed from your account even if that means we put you into the negative values of money.
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These answers were very helpful, since I've been told otherwise before. Good to confirm!
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What if I am sent a big amount of cash but I am currently in debt(fined due to scamming in casinos, troll lottos, etc)? I won't be able to send it back as the cash is automatically used to fill my debt.
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What if I am sent a big amount of cash but I am currently in debt(fined due to scamming in casinos, troll lottos, etc)? I won't be able to send it back as the cash is automatically used to fill my debt.
We will still remove that amount from you.
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How would you react if you sent, let's say, 500k to the wrong player and he decides to keep it?
I'd suck it up because it's my fault.
How would you react if you accidentally sent even $300 via bank transfer to a wrong account when a bank has "no return policy" and the person decided to keep it?
Choice 2 - Don't return the money, face getting banned
Everybody, including owner and a community leader, said nothing about banning from the game. Do not spread false information.
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You guys are way too kind on this matter and IMO you create more work then you need. As it has been said since Argonath started; your account, your responsiblity. No wonder players expect to get refund for everything... I mean, it is the same as we should request teleports each time we crash our vehicle.
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Everybody, including owner and a community leader, said nothing about banning from the game. Do not spread false information.
For clarity please read again:
Just to add to my answer, I said that we would remove the money from your inventory and return it to the player; however sometimes that might not be possible if a manager+ is not available, in which case you may be ordered to return it. If you are ordered to return it and refuse you may be banned so the matter can be resolved. Admins do have the authority to ban you in such a case.
Managers will not need to ban you because they will just remove it whether you like it or not, and yes we will do that even if that leaves you in the negative, but if you are told by an admin to return the money and you do not, the admin may ban you. It should not be for scamming, but it will be a ban nevertheless.
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Just, put it this way..
Let's say you have a credit card, and a bank accidentally puts $5,000,000 on your bank account instead of another persons card.
Do you think the bank wouldn't fix the mistake?
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You guys are way too kind on this matter and IMO you create more work then you need. As it has been said since Argonath started; your account, your responsiblity. No wonder players expect to get refund for everything... I mean, it is the same as we should request teleports each time we crash our vehicle.
Money being sent to the wrong ID happens very often, in almost all cases the player returns that money to the person who sent it to him accidently. There are a few who will happily benefit from other people's misfortune by trying to keep it, we will not hesitate to prevent them. If that it being too kind, that is fine by me.
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You guys are way too kind on this matter and IMO you create more work then you need. As it has been said since Argonath started; your account, your responsiblity. No wonder players expect to get refund for everything... I mean, it is the same as we should request teleports each time we crash our vehicle.
Ignorant and selfish, I might add.
Accidents on that matter are not a fault of the player sending it.
If you're typing with a player for 2 hours and then he crashes, thus someone else eventually gets his ID, it's not really your fault when you accidently PM the wrong person. Same applies for transaction since they also work with IDs.
Would be entirely different if the transaction system worked with actual bank account numbers - in that case, misspelling account numbers are your own fault and it would even make sense in a roleplay way. But right now, like Gandalf said, if you don't have the guts to send it back, you might be wrong here.
It's easy as long as you're not affected. Players randomly disconnecting and crashing will always be a factor, same goes for insta-switching player ID's. If admins refused to take care of such things, Argo would be alot less populated.
At least I do appreciate their concern towards players who have to deal with ignorant folks unwilling to send it back.
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Just, put it this way..
Let's say you have a credit card, and a bank accidentally puts $5,000,000 on your bank account instead of another persons card.
Do you think the bank wouldn't fix the mistake?
i would like to know this answer!
Of caurse i never send them back this money, that's their foult and no one have acces remove from your bank count with any agreement.. BUt that's reallife...
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i would like to know this answer!
Of caurse i never send them back this money, that's their foult and no one have acces remove from your bank count with any agreement.. BUt that's reallife...
No, the bank would simply take the money from you and apologize for the inconvenience. They would not need any agreement to take their money from you.
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I think this could be multiaccountung
Man that could be Pokemon but not sure.
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Okay first of all I didn't read everything ... As much as I read my post has almost nothing to do with their .
Wiring to a wrong account is something that also happens IRL . Now I got to admit that I got no idea about what would happen IRL in such a case but I know what should happen in our server . Asking admin to make sure you get your money back after such a mistake is simply an excuse to delete the RP part of such a mistake .
What I suggest . First of all calling the guy taking the money and asking him kindly to return your money as you have pressed the wrong account number(ID) . If he denies your request and chooses to keep the money and I suggest a court case in the economical court to be run . Now the money should be returned unless the defendant (guy wrongly taking them) has proofs of the reason he recived the money .
Now taking it to abuse . Yes a good way to abuse it would be durring drug dealers . As many dealers use the banks to transfer their money they could simply asking them back as by the law there was no reason for such a transaction . Now here comes the solution . First of all the defendant (the guy who got the money for selling his drugs) can simply post proofs about the drug deal . As the drugs will corrently be in the hands of the guy sending the money infact he will be in bigger trouble than the defendant . Infact this case will be closed and a case from the ARPD should be opened against both parties . To cut a long story short nobody would ever start a case against a guy he buyed drugs from .
Now you would say ... So you want us to keep proofs of all our actions? And I am here 3 years ... you want me to have proofs for something that happent 2 years ago? . Well no . It is your right to keep proofs about all your actions includign the economical ones . Now to don't bother you keeping a big folder with proofs and reciepts . I suggest the case to have a limit of one month . So the case can be ran at a top of one month after the insident . Either that or in the same month of the insident.
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There is still a difference between a roleplayed transaction (e.g. drugdeals etc.) and accidently wiring money to folks you've never seen in your entire life.
Also, mind that taking IRL regulations do not apply here since this isn't a hardcore roleplay server.
I'm glad the administration shares the view of the majority.
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If you wish to know what happens in real life:
1. If its mistake from th bank the bank can correct it without needing anything.
2. If you misspell the account number and send it to someone who has no right on the money, the bank will provide the name and address of the account holder. As they received money they have no rights on you can start a court case should it not be sent back. In that case the person who refused to send it back would have to pay the court costs, which could be pretty high.
If you try to hide the money, remember that almost anywhere in the world the court have the power to turn back any financial transaction if it is proven to be fraudulent within 6 months.
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Glad that some of you took my example this way.
Now, Gandalf said pretty much ENOUGH about everything there is to be known.
Of course, none of us would complain about receiving a million or two plus without working for it. But first, put yourself in the position of the person who lost them, that worked hard for them! Imagine that happened to you, it's reasonable that you complain and you want your money back. Mistakes like this happen often, and whoever lost his money in this way should have them back as they belong to them. I hope everyone gets what I'm trying to say here. :)
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How about stopping to be rude and selfish for some virtual money over a screen? Just give the guy his money back and if he does it again, he takes the responsibilities.
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It is not scamming, no attempt was made to deceive or coerce, it was just an accident and you should not be banned for it. However, we will still insist you pay it back, and if you refuse we will take it from your inventory and return it to the player.
If a player keeps sending money to the wrong players, this happens sometimes with gamblers, we will likely run out of sympathy eventually.
Agreed