NO!
I like how it says Mr Cameron interupted his holiday in Cornwall, isn't it like his 4th holiday this year? How about he does some f**king work for the country instead of using his large wage to take constant holidays when some of us can't even afford one.
The thing I don't get is they want to stop the fighting but yet want to rain down missiles on the place. By now Assad has probably got wind of the operation and trapped himself within a secure bunker. I'm just waiting on what Putin's response will be as I know he won't be a happy chappy.I assume the UK and US have already weighed in the chances of Russia actually doing anything, otherwise they wouldn't be going ahead with it, unless they actually wanted to start WW3..
The thing I don't get is they want to stop the fighting but yet want to rain down missiles on the place. By now Assad has probably got wind of the operation and trapped himself within a secure bunker. I'm just waiting on what Putin's response will be as I know he won't be a happy chappy.As if Assad doesn't have a TV..=D
Good luck to them, I guess.
Hope they won't hit holland when they return fire on England.. lol
Keep a room for me in the hamster house.
Lets just hope Russia doesn't support the terrorists (as usual) and starts a world war.Yea, feels bad knowing you can't drain oil there doesn't it?
Could be interesting to see what comes from this.Of course!
It's already decorated with Holy pope figures, Photo's of janek, a headset, a PC etc, and even that thing where you can run in! lol
Hope they won't hit holland when they return fire on England.. lolOnly England? So Wales will remain untouched? Cool.
Yea, feels bad knowing you can't drain oil there doesn't it?The UK isn't the oil hungry one, you're thinking about the US.
Imagine if someone is about to make terrorist attack on your city and everyone is like "Hey man let's see if he will kill Reece lol man"
A Syrian Gov representative was just speakign on BBC News, you could see the lies in his face, kept blinking continuously, sweating, along with the constant stuttering and non-direct answering of questions, I guess you could say Syria actually did a chemical attack, why else would they deny the UN access for the past 2 weeks? Maybe to clean up the mess they made?
Wouldn't you sweat, stutter and be nervous if there were plans to bomb you?How, when that Syrian representative is in the UK..
Even if the UN experts support the Russian version about the bio weps, it is unlikely that U.S. and U.K will reconsider a decision on giving military assistance to the"opposition."
A Syrian Gov representative was just speakign on BBC News, you could see the lies in his face, kept blinking continuously, sweating, along with the constant stuttering and non-direct answering of questions, I guess you could say Syria actually did a chemical attack, why else would they deny the UN access for the past 2 weeks? Maybe to clean up the mess they made?
Is it me or for the first time UK is dragging US into a war and not the opposite?Isn't it mutual?
Of course!
It's very interesting, I'm wondering how many peoples will die, you too?
Imagine if someone is about to make terrorist attack on your city and everyone is like "Hey man let's see if he will kill Reece lol man"
Is it me or for the first time UK is dragging US into a war and not the opposite?Because the UK is nice and actually cares about people, where as we don't. Plus, Syria has no oil so there's no reason for us to be there. ;)
Because the UK is nice and actually cares about people, where as we don't. Plus, Syria has no oil so there's no reason for us to be there. ;)This, coming from an American, wow, seriously.. No sarcasm.
Isn't it mutual?
Obama first said that Syria has not crossed the red line. Cameron is probably insisting unless I am mistaken. It's quite funny that the French are trying to dictate US and UK to invade Syria however they won't do a single thing to help.
Lets just hope Russia doesn't support the terrorists (as usual) and starts a world war.USA logic
I'm from the USA and I'm 100% against this stupid idea of war. Can't we just mind our own business?
How, when that Syrian representative is in the UK..
They're smart enough to avoid a gigantic, endless, and chaotic war. I hope
(http://vonpip.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/cameron-poster_clown1.gif?w=584)
'Merica, f**k yeah! We gonna democracy this biitch.True Ignorance.
Okay it was about oil, now what! If we do this Syria strike it's true intentions wouldn't be Syria it would be Iran again for oil. Now we control the oil and China and Russia would hate it. Now what?
The world revolves around Oil. One day we will run out. Until then wars being fought over it are a reality but what are you going to say when wars are fought over water?People have always been fighting over resources. First over land. Now over Oil. Maybe in the future possibly over water
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True Ignorance.
Unlikely that they will attack. Even if they attack theres the russian made anti-Missile system to overcomeI hope Putin doesn't decide to do that as it will cause a backlash from America and boom you've got WW3 within seconds. I'm sure Obama's got drone planes already in the area in the instance Russia decide to block.
I hope Putin doesn't decide to do that as it will cause a backlash from America and boom you've got WW3 within seconds. I'm sure Obama's got drone planes already in the area in the instance Russia decide to block.
The example i can use for this is the Cuban Missile crisis when russia was trying to install a long range missile in cuba but the us threatened war if they did. I think this will be a repeatThe US' main weapon is intimidation. They create this image of a powerful nation able to crumble others with the push of a button. The reality is that they don't want to war (or at least us citizens don't).
The US' main weapon is intimidation. They create this image of a powerful nation able to crumble others with the push of a button. The reality is that they don't want to war (or at least us citizens don't).
Unlikely that they will attack. Even if they attack theres the russian made anti-Missile system to overcomeJa, Russias out-dated crap.
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2192/s7pa.png)Seems a little skimpy? Each aircraft carrier goes with it's own fleet usually 20 ships per aircraft carrier I mean just look at the 5th fleet
The US' main weapon is intimidation. They create this image of a powerful nation able to crumble others with the push of a button. The reality is that they don't want to war (or at least us citizens don't).
Just get rid of the Syrian Gov and let the rebels take over, so we can finally see some other shit on the news instead of Syria Syria Syria, I honestly couldn't care less as to whether they attack or not, at least all the shit will finally be over, I doubt Russia would do anything, would they really want entire Europe and the US to be pounding down on them? It would probably mark the end of Russia, along with mass casualty on all sides, Russia is all talk no action, and have been for some years now.
Only 9% wants military action. These guys in Washington, and especially our own President doesn't even listen to us.Democracy at it's best.
(http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2192/s7pa.png)Is this "who's the biggest terrorist" scale?
Just get rid of the Syrian Gov and let the rebels take over, so we can finally see some other shit on the news instead of Syria Syria Syria, I honestly couldn't care less as to whether they attack or not, at least all the shit will finally be over, I doubt Russia would do anything, would they really want entire Europe and the US to be pounding down on them? It would probably mark the end of Russia, along with mass casualty on all sides, Russia is all talk no action, and have been for some years now.
Just get rid of the Syrian Gov and let the rebels take over.
I doubt Russia would do anything, would they really want entire Europe and the US to be pounding down on them?
It would probably mark the end of Russia, along with mass casualty on all sides,
The United States is expected to give physical and intelligence proof that the government conducted the attack if the evidence is sufficient there is a good chance that Russia will back down.
I honestly for the last year have been waiting for the UN to look into the Syrian revolution, the government has been commuting war crimes of all sorts, it makes it easy for me to believe that it was the government who conducted the chemical attack. The fact it is taking this long for any action to be done is disappointing. (Look at Vice for Syria topics)Why would the Syrian government pull such a thing?
I'm wondering what the f**k are we going to do there. Looks like our President want to waste some money.You need to show how loyal are you to UK and USA, that's why
What is this guy even doing here?Maybe if you stopped thinking everything is propaganda like many others do here in Argonath you'd be able to see reality.
I swear.. Do you even know what you're talking about?
This isn't a game of "RISK" bruh', do you even know who these "rebels" are? You know, funny thing is if, and I repeat "IF" these rebels take over.. You're so called -news- will be crowded with more of the "shit" that you want to end.
LOL, the question is.. Does the U.S and UK want to start shit with Russia ? No.
Anyway, Sergey Lavrov stated that Russia definitely will not interfere in any war with anyone concerning the Syrian conflict with the west. However, the Russian political analysis didn't deny the fact that Russia will interfere in many in-direct ways. Such through the Iranians.
And that's when bedtime knocks on your door. Hit the sheets buddy.
i like u coreyFalklands. =D
Do note, the "rebels" possess chemical weapons as well.But do not have the equipment to launch the attacks, unless someone went all suicide on their arses and manually set it off, in person.
I'm wondering what excuse will USA and UK make to avoid attacking once they see Russian forces there.What are you talking about bro? France has been saying they wanted to attack Syria even before the UK and US even brought up the recent announcements that they will attack the Syrian Gov.
You need to show how loyal are you to UK and USA, that's why
Get ready for World War 3, this time will die a lot of people, from around 7 000 000 000, it will be less then 1 000 000 000.oh plz.
Maybe if I stopped being ignorant. I'd be able to see reality.You're welcome.
I'm a moron.Don't edit posts like that, it isnt nice, see?
What do you think is going to happen when the rebels take over?
Do you even know who the "rebels" are?
The only thing is going to happen if the U.S, UK, and France gets in war with the Syrian government, is chaos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VUMamkRcaw
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Don't edit posts like that, it isnt nice, see?No see, I insert facts into your quotes, while you insert nothing but.. Plain bullshit.
Yes, I'm sure the UK, France and US, etc would love to help some terrorists.
[insert]I should[/insert] Wake up.
why would NATO actually want to help terrorists get into power?
Just get rid of the Syrian Gov and let the rebels take over,
Wake up.^^^^
The only thing is going to happen if the U.S, UK, and France gets in war with the Syrian government, is chaos.
Such a move would set the Middle East ablaze.
Don't edit posts like that, it isnt nice, see?
Yes, I'm sure the UK, France and US, etc would love to help some terrorists who are going to attack our own soil
Umm. I thought you wanted them to..? You said it yourself:I didn't say the rebels were terrorists, you did.
I don't know if I dare to ask you this but, what do you think the results are?A possibly more stable country, I doubt NATO would let a terrorist rebel party get into power, and would probably make it so that someone reasonable gets in, someone who would actually create democracy.
France has been saying they wanted to attack Syria even before the UK and US even brought up the recent announcements that they will attack the Syrian Gov.Yep, saying.
RIP World.Pretty much.
I didn't say the rebels were terroristsWhich is why you look ignorant. They are terrorists to the government. The term 'terrorist' doesn't appeal to someone who terrorizes the West necessarily;
A possibly more stable country, ... create democracy.Yup, keep living in your fairy tail where everyone will happily hold hold eachother's hands and sing about peace & love.
Pretty much.
I like how we could potentially be on the verge of world war 3/the end of the world and the American media is putting out more stories about Miley Cyrus than this. Shows where our priorities are.
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Distraction strategy is also essential to prevent the public interest in the essential knowledge in the area of the science, economics, psychology, neurobiology and cybernetics.
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The United States is expected to give physical and intelligence proof that the government conducted the attack if the evidence is sufficient there is a good chance that Russia will back down.I doubt Russia would back down with evidence from the US, even if it proved chemical weapons were used. I think the international community will trust the evidence more strongly if it comes from the UN itself as they are tasked with investigating this. I am opposed to this conflict anyway but at least if we do decide to commit I want to see what the UN investigators come back with, before we start firing bullets at the wrong target.
Syria, Iran and all the terrorist groups such as Hizballah and hamas said that if US and UK decides to attack them, they will attack Israel.Everyone is omnipotent, you know this all situation, for us, is immeasurable.
So if that's gonna happen, Israel will step in and attack too, then Egypt/Jorden/Lebanon/Russia might join the other side and you get world war 3 in 1 minute.
I didn't say the rebels were terrorists, you did.
I doubt NATO would let a terrorist rebel party get into power.You just did it again.. In your own very comment..
The UN essay will be handed in four days from now. Depending on that, the decision will be made if military intervention is needed. Russia claimed that if the UN evidence suggests Syria used chemical agents it will not interfere in the conflict.
Which is why you look ignorant. They are terrorists to the government. The term 'terrorist' doesn't appeal to someone who terrorizes the West necessarily;Both the Syrian Gov and the Rebels are terrorizing eachother and their whole country, so it doesn't make a difference wether NATO interfere or not, one side has to go to make the war end.
ter·ror·ism (tr-rzm)
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
-> Which is exactly what the 'rebels' do.
The UN is not trying to figure out who has used the chemicals they are only trying to figure out IF chemicals were used. If evidence can actually confirm they committed the crime then odds are good that Russia will not stop a US invasionThe US would not 'invade' and nor would any other NATO country, they would simply give intel and use air to ground strikes against the Syrian gov, just as other NATO countries would.
You just did it again.. In your own very comment..You are clearly mixing my posts up to make it look like I'm contradicting myself, maybe it's just you who has a lack of understanding of English that makes you do this, either way what I meant is, if they believe the Syrian Gov actually used chemical weapons, which is illegal, where as the rebels have not actually committed any war crimes, then they have all reason to attack the Syrian Government, wether the rebels are terroristic or not the Syrian Gov should not be using chemical weapons, providing they actually did of course, either way what I said is, if NATO helps over throw the Assad regime, they are more than likely to monitor who actually gets elected/into power so that no Al-Qaeda linked rebels get to take any influential positions, thats even if it is to be a rebel leader that gets in, and not a more civilised, senior and democratic member of the current government.
What's funny is why would the Syrian government even risk use chemical weapons? To attract the west ? It doesn't seem right to me. Not to mention that some Syrian soldiers had been infected.. It's just a game played to point -more- fingers at Assad.. Well it's poorly played.Well, because they've denied the UN access for the past few weeks knowing that they legally could, and have now only just let them in, maybe after cleaning up the mess that they made with chemical weapons?
You are clearly mixing my posts up to make it look like I'm contradicting myself, maybe it's just you who has a lack of understanding of English that makes you do this, either way what I meant is, if they believe the Syrian Gov actually used chemical weapons, which is illegal, where as the rebels have not actually committed any war crimes, then they have all reason to attack the Syrian Government, wether the rebels are terroristic or not the Syrian Gov should not be using chemical weapons, providing they actually did of course, either way what I said is, if NATO helps over throw the Assad regime, they are more than likely to monitor who actually gets elected/into power so that no Al-Qaeda linked rebels get to take any influential positions, thats even if it is to be a rebel leader that gets in, and not a more civilised, senior and democratic member of the current government.Riiight.
The US would not 'invade' and nor would any other NATO country.
Well, because they've denied the UN access for the past few weeks?
"Khan al-Assal was the site of a chemical weapons attack allegedly carried out by rebels in March 2013. In an analysis for Iranian PressTV, Finian Cunningham said that the massacre was carried out with the aim to erase evidence for the chemical attack and eliminate witnesses."
British Prime MinisterDavid CameronTony Blair insists any use of force would only be a response to the use of banned chemical weapons and would be legal and proportionate.
They want to get Iran pissed off.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/30/us-syria-un-idUSBRE84S1AT20120530If the US is constantly trying to dodge the UN at every step, I'm beginning to wonder why it's even in the UN...
Well that's nice....
(Reuters) - If the U.N. Security Council does not take swift action to pressure Syria to end its 14-month assault on the opposition, member nations may have no choice but to consider acting outside the United Nations, the U.S. envoy to the world body said on Wednesday.
So...
We're all gonna die.
Then wonder about the UK as well if it's bypased by the US the UK will do the same thing.Nope, the UK has now said it will specifically wait for the UN's report, and then a vote will take place in the house of commons.
The way Mr. David Blair is going with this, I suspect this man (http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02568/farage_2568981b.jpg) is very happy due to mass of support he's gainingUKIP FOR THE F**KING WIN!
RIP world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEyujOSEexM
Maybe the Americans should ask al-Qa’ida for intelligence help – after all, this is the group with “boots on the groundâ€Â, something the Americans have no interest in doing. And maybe al-Qa’ida could offer some target information facilities to the country which usually claims that the supporters of al-Qa’ida, rather than the Syrians, are the most wanted men in the world.
There will be some ironies, of course. While the Americans drone al-Qa’ida to death in Yemen and Pakistan – along, of course, with the usual flock of civilians – they will be giving them, with the help of Messrs Cameron, Hollande and the other Little General-politicians, material assistance in Syria by hitting al-Qa’ida’s enemies. Indeed, you can bet your bottom dollar that the one target the Americans will not strike in Syria will be al-Qa’ida or the Nusra front.
And our own Prime Minister will applaud whatever the Americans do, thus allying himself with al-Qa’ida, whose London bombings may have slipped his mind. Perhaps – since there is no institutional memory left among modern governments – Cameron has forgotten how similar are the sentiments being uttered by Obama and himself to those uttered by Bush and Blair a decade ago, the same bland assurances, uttered with such self-confidence but without quite enough evidence to make it stick.
Russia is to send an anti-submarine ship and a missile cruiser to the Mediterranean, according to Russian news agancy Interfax.
The country is strongly against any military intervention in Syria, with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov believing it would seriously destabilise the region.
Russia has started to pull its citizens out of Syria as the likelihood of military action increases.
It flew 89 people out of the country on Tuesday night and 28 more on Wednesday morning.
The reports come after US President Barack Obama said any strike would be to "send a shot across the bow" to deter future chemical weapons attacks.
He said the US had concluded that the Syrian government carried out the large-scale chemical weapons attack against civilians last week.
President Obama said the US had examined evidence and did not believe the rebels possessed chemical weapons or the means to deliver them.
But he added that the US had not yet made a firm decision about how to respond.
More follows...
He said the US had concluded that the Syrian government carried out the large-scale chemical weapons attack against civilians last week.
Russia is to send an anti-submarine ship and a missile cruiser to the Mediterranean, according to Russian news agancy Interfax.
The country is strongly against any military intervention in Syria, with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov believing it would seriously destabilise the region.
Russia has started to pull its citizens out of Syria as the likelihood of military action increases.
It flew 89 people out of the country on Tuesday night and 28 more on Wednesday morning.
The reports come after US President Barack Obama said any strike would be to "send a shot across the bow" to deter future chemical weapons attacks.
He said the US had concluded that the Syrian government carried out the large-scale chemical weapons attack against civilians last week.
President Obama said the US had examined evidence and did not believe the rebels possessed chemical weapons or the means to deliver them.
But he added that the US had not yet made a firm decision about how to respond.
More follows...
Yes!(http://www.monarchist.org.uk/uploads/3/2/5/2/3252756/618836170.jpg?290)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AORqkB1xV8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUYUk-BZwu0szdmRZydsz6mA
Parliament not agreeing doesn't mean anything. The PM can still declare war if he chose too, the same thing happened for Iraq, the cabinet advised him not to but he did so any way. So I wouldn't rule out British intervention just yet.
Good call by UK, there is certainly a presence of fear in case of a retaliation strike by Russia and Iran.Lol no, you clearly don't understand what goes on in the British Parliament, the prime minister still and probably will end up going to war should the US continue with it's plans, as he still wants to launch attacks on Syria anyway, and has told the world that.
The current Government in my opinion should resign. They guaranteed an intervention just a few days ago and they could not fulfill full co-operation within the parliament in order to pass the vote. That made UK look very weak in my opinion.Made the UK look very weak? If anything it showed how independent the UK is from the US, as alot of people seem to say that the UK follows the US with every turn they make, this is proof that, that is bullshit.
The current Government in my opinion should resign. They guaranteed an intervention just a few days ago and they could not fulfill full co-operation within the parliament in order to pass the vote. That made UK look very weak in my opinion.
Why would anyone fear Russia and Iran when the force that would actually attack Russia and Iran out numbers them by millions, should they even bother to attack NATO or any other allied countries.
Making promises they cannot fulfill does make UK look weak..
I am not saying what the UK parliament voted for is not good, in matter of fact it is a very good example of showing the way so that US can do the same. However the government only a few days ago warned of a military attack and now are backing out. Making promises they cannot fulfill does make UK look weak..The UK can fulfill it's threat to Syria, infact it had a submarine with the missiles near by ready to launch, along with it's airbase in Cyprus on high alert, it's only because of the unexpected vote by MP's that the submarine and airbase won't be used, you say only the UK and US could face a possible Russian threat, but you forget that other NATO countries such as France and Germany also have fairly powerful military forces, for example France has an aircraft carrier, where as the UK currently does not (though 2 new aircraft carriers are currently being built for the UK and 1 is due to be completed this year), Germany also has alot of advanced military capabilities, but does seem to try to stay out of warfare however it is likely they would join the UK and US in any war with Russia and Iran, as would other NATO countries, wether they are as powerful as others or not, there would be no point in them being in NATO if they were not going to defend other NATO countries.
Mikal in all seriousness, only UK and US would be able to face a possible Russian threat. The rest of your NATO allies would still remain neutral to avoid a war with Russia, Iran and China.
I am not saying what the UK parliament voted for is not good, in matter of fact it is a very good example of showing the way so that US can do the same. However the government only a few days ago warned of a military attack and now are backing out. Making promises they cannot fulfill does make UK look weak..
Mikal in all seriousness, only UK and US would be able to face a possible Russian threat. The rest of your NATO allies would still remain neutral to avoid a war with Russia, Iran and China.
David Cameron said he wanted to, not the government. It was him and him alone that wanted it, however he chose to recall Parliament and vote on it. 'no' only won by something like 17 votes.
The UK can fulfill it's threat to Syria, infact it had a submarine with the missiles near by ready to launch, along with it's airbase in Cyprus on high alert, it's only because of the unexpected vote by MP's that the submarine and airbase won't be used, you say only the UK and US could face a possible Russian threat, but you forget that other NATO countries such as France and Germany also have fairly powerful military forces, for example France has an aircraft carrier, where as the UK currently does not (though 2 new aircraft carriers are currently being built for the UK and 1 is due to be completed this year), Germany also has alot of advanced military capabilities, but does seem to try to stay out of warfare however it is likely they would join the UK and US in any war with Russia and Iran, as would other NATO countries, wether they are as powerful as others or not, there would be no point in them being in NATO if they were not going to defend other NATO countries.
But I can't see Russia or Iran attacking either way, too risky for all sides.
Forgot to mention, China is likely not to even intervene in any war between the UK/USA/NATO vs Russia/Iran, after all the US is what keeps China going with all it's imports from China, to lose the US would damage the Chinese economy seriously, well, would damage any future growth anyway.
He said he will not go against the vote which is very interesting. I am looking forward to see if that changes after the U.N report and if he'll rather side with US or his people.It wouldn't be siding with the US instead of his people as there was still a large majority who actually voted on action against Syria, either way our PM still sucks, and always will until it's Nigel Farage. =)
France hasn't shown a sign of life since the age of Napoleon, and they're well known for their military incapability so I wouldn't be so sure having them on your side would be beneficial, plus their economy is very concerning at the moment to invest on a war. The only way NATO would ally is probably if Russia itself invaded Europe, but that is not to happen under the current circumstances.Isn't everyones economy concerning? Either way it's the duty of other NATO countries to defend eachother, and so all would likely get involved, as for Frances military capabilities, I don't know much about them other than that they have an aircraft carrier and some good technology, haven't seen much action from them really, thats probably one of the reasons France wants some action with Syria right now, they want to try and prove themselves to the US, seems they have been doing alot of sucking up to the US lately to try and get a 'special relationship' that the UK and US supposingly has, which isn't much anyway.
France hasn't shown a sign of life since the age of Napoleon, and they're well known for their military incapability so I wouldn't be so sure having them on your side would be beneficial, plus their economy is very concerning at the moment to invest on a war. The only way NATO would ally is probably if Russia itself invaded Europe, but that is not to happen under the current circumstances.
*cough* Afghanistan, Côte d'Ivoire, Libya, Mali, NUCLEAR WEAPONS *cough*Oh yeah I forgot about Mali, they did clear those terrorists off good.
Oh yeah I forgot about Mali, they did clear those terrorists off good.What do you mean by saying "Terrorist"? Muslim?
What do you mean by saying "Terrorist"? Muslim?
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/16/world/mali-unrestIf you keep telling people that someone is "terrorist" they will start believing in that.
David Cameron said he wanted to, not the government. It was him and him alone that wanted it, however he chose to recall Parliament and vote on it. 'no' only won by something like 17 votes.If we do go to war with Syria it's David Cameron that's called for it not the British people. He still has the power under the Royal Prerogative to go against the Commons and initiate whatever attack he wants. I doubt he would do that as the public backlash would be huge.
He said he will not go against the vote which is very interesting. I am looking forward to see if that changes after the U.N report and if he'll rather side with US or his people.
If Cameron gets the slightest hint that he won't get re-elected in the next elections, we're going to war. =PThen war is definate.
Then war is definate.UKIP it is. =)
If you keep telling people that someone is "terrorist" they will start believing in that.So fu***ing true
UKIP it is. =)It seems that way at the moment. I thought Labour was the answer but Milliband has shown no real reason why anyone should vote Labour. He's a very weak leader and I don't know how he'd handle Prime Minister. Where as Farage, well I hope he is not just saying what everyone wants to hear.
Forgot to mention, China is likely not to even intervene in any war between the UK/USA/NATO vs Russia/Iran, after all the US is what keeps China going with all it's imports from China, to lose the US would damage the Chinese economy seriously, well, would damage any future growth anyway.
Think before you type, US owns Shit load of money to China, I'm talking about unbelievable amounts of cash here.The rebels look like some religious extremists in that picture but eh, who's to say that picture is truthful?
Google it if you don't believe me.
In other news
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1qNeQb7RNfs
http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/
If Americans don't get involved rebels will be a thing of past
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Syrian_Civil_War.svg/725px-Syrian_Civil_War.svg.png)
green • Cities controlled by pro-Assad forces
red • Cities controlled by anti-Assad forces
orange • Cities controlled by Kurdish forces
blue • Ongoing fighting/unclear situation
And a photo to all you democrats, so you can see your "Syrian rebels"
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1003547_585584858149324_1402413327_n.jpg)
Playing with fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eLsV7DZmxoU
0:55
UK be setting a good example..http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520Again that is David Cameron not the British Parliament and people. Cameron is not representing the views of the British people at the moment, but our Parliament has done.
They sure do. :lol:
Obama is now doing the same as the British government.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23916752
UK be setting a good example..
Again that is David Cameron not the British Parliament and people. Cameron is not representing the views of the British people at the moment, but our Parliament has done.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520
They sure do. :lol:
Obama seems to be keen to have military intervention.They need to give their uselessly large military something to do, otherwise it looks like they are wasting money, which they are either way. =)
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/britain-sold-nerve-gas-chemicals-2242520British FIRMS, not the British Government, thx.It's interesting, yesterday in Parliament Cameron was saying how he can't just go into Syria just like that and how he must listen to the British public before all else.It's not him listening to the British people though, it's him listening to parliament, and parliament listened to the British people.
They sure do. :lol:
Get Cameron out!
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British FIRMS, not the British Government, thx.
Every time David Cameron embarrasses himself in this conflict is a step towards the Extremist right-wing UKIPUKIP is actually the best looking party at the moment and has my full support, all the others are greedy money grabbing bastards who don't care about the UK or it's people.
I guess who is laughing now
Did you even bother to read the article?And if that's the truth (though the British government has denied it) how were they to know that it would be used for weapons?
"The chemical export licences were granted by Business Secretary Vince Cable’s Department for Business, Innovation and Skills last January – 10 months after the Syrian uprising began."
The government approved licenses to allow these companies to export the chemicals to Syria and now they want to bomb it. Hypocrisy at its finest.
And if that's the truth (though the British government has denied it) how were they to know that it would be used for weapons?
And if that's the truth (though the British government has denied it) how were they to know that it would be used for weapons?>sold 10 months after uprising
First is the lie of nuclear weapons in Iraq, now is the lie of chemical weapons in Syria, what is next? Iran uses biological weapons against Turkmenistan and needs to be brought down?The end justifies the means with these people-Teleological argument.
First is the lie of nuclear weapons in Iraq, now is the lie of chemical weapons in Syria, what is next? Iran uses biological weapons against Turkmenistan and needs to be brought down?
We should start a "leak" that the USA has done something and just team up with Canada to make the world a better place. :DWe should, U.S is being a bad example to the rest of the World. We just ended a war and we are beginning a new one, how ridiculous!
(https://sphotos-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1002614_410561832400391_82232217_n.jpg)Hahaha, so true.
What? They can not deny it, they gave them a bloody license to do it.Maybe it's all part of the plan in that case, UK provides Syria with chemicals knowing they will use them, UK and US now have reason to attack Syria, which will piss Iran off and encourage military action from them, giving both the UK and US reason to invade, it's funny how the UK's aircraft carriers were due to be finished by 2020, and now one WILL be complete this year/the beginning of next year, and virtually all the parts for the other carrier are sat in a dry dock ready to be put together, it's honestly starting to look like some kind of joint operation between the UK and US dedicated to pissing Iran off, which is why our military is suddenly getting so many upgrades, a massive war is clearly brewing.
Oh, I don't know... an uprising in the middle east begins and then a company suddenly want to give them chemicals that are commonly used to make weapons in the exact same way as Iraq and other countries? Maybe a little bit of common sense should apply, though that would be expecting too much of any government.
We should start a "leak"Area 51 is where all the sewage from the white house goes.
We should, U.S is being a bad example to the rest of the World. We just ended a war and we are beginning a new one, how ridiculous!The US is just following in the foot steps of it's mother country, world domination. =)
Maybe it's all part of the plan in that case, UK provides Syria with chemicals knowing they will use them, UK and US now have reason to attack Syria, which will piss Iran off and encourage military action from them, giving both the UK and US reason to invade, it's funny how the UK's aircraft carriers were due to be finished by 2020, and now one WILL be complete this year/the beginning of next year, and virtually all the parts for the other carrier are sat in a dry dock ready to be put together, it's honestly starting to look like some kind of joint operation between the UK and US dedicated to pissing Iran off, which is why our military is suddenly getting so many upgrades, a massive war is clearly brewing.
Turns out the vote which Obama said he's giving congress will apparently mean nothing, he has said that the outcome of the vote will not matter at all, and that the US will still be going to war with Syria wether congress supports, in other words Obama is completely ignoring US citizens who have said they don't want war, and is even ignoring his fellow politicians, what the hell man, honestly I couldn't give 2 shits wether anyone attacks Syria or not, but what is the point?! There is no point at all, why is Obama so desperate to attack Syria? Is he just trying to literally piss Iran and Russia off so that he has someone else to attack with 'legit reason' or what?
Hahaha, so true.
Before the chemical attack, the rebels were settling in Ghouta (The Western Suburban of Damascus - where the chemical massacre took place).
(- Ghouta was the rebels' last strategy point to capture Damascus, the capital of Syria.)
They were preparing for a battle against the Syrian Regime to capture the capital, it was an opportunity they wouldn't want to miss. The rebels were certain of one thing, that the Syrian military was unaware of it. However, it turned out that the Syrian Regime had already received intelligence information about it, and were well prepared.
Their attempt failed. In fact, they had no option but to pull back from the beginning of the fight.
What's weird is, their retreat was fast and the moment they disappeared chemical missiles were fired.
None of the rebels were infected, only military personnel and civilians.
( The Syrian Regime were winning before the chemicals were even used, so there was no reason for them to fire it. )
Syria is critical to Iran in that it provides it a geographic thoroughfare to Lebanese Shi`a militia Hizb Allah, which is one of the crown jewels of the Iranian revolution.
- Putin says that Russia will support SyriaWe all know the attack on Syria is going to happen for sure, so will someone just hurry up and launch the first fucking missile so we can see something else on the news for a change, all I see/hear is Obama this, Obama that, Russia called the UK a little island (no shit), bla bla fucking bla, all words no action, at the end of the day either Russia, Iran and their allies need to go, or the US, UK and their allies need to go, either way a shit storm is going to happen eventually and it's either going to be Russia and it's allies left or the US and it's allies left.
-The Russian landing ship Novocherkassk crosses the Bosphorus on its way to the Mediterranean Sea
- The British Government claim having possession of new evidence regarding the use of Sarin in Damasco.
-The U.S. has intercepted an order from Iran to militants in Iraq to attack the U.S. Embassy and other American interests in Baghdad in the event of a strike on Syria, officials said, amid an expanding array of reprisal threats across the region.
- US Orders Nonessential Diplomats to Leave Lebanon
We all know the attack on Syria is going to happen for sure, so will someone just hurry up and launch the first f**king missile so we can see something else on the news for a change, all I see/hear is Obama this, Obama that, Russia called the UK a little island (no shit), bla bla f**king bla, all words no action, at the end of the day either Russia, Iran and their allies need to go, or the US, UK and their allies need to go, either way a shit storm is going to happen eventually and it's either going to be Russia and it's allies left or the US and it's allies left.Are you 16 or below? Serious question.
Can we get WW3 over with please?!
Kinda funny how as soon as this Syria stuff blew up, all the scandals in America seemingly disappeared. Weird, huh?
We all know the attack on Syria is going to happen for sure, so will someone just hurry up and launch the first f**king missile so we can see something else on the news for a change, all I see/hear is Obama this, Obama that, Russia called the UK a little island (no shit), bla bla f**king bla, all words no action, at the end of the day either Russia, Iran and their allies need to go, or the US, UK and their allies need to go, either way a shit storm is going to happen eventually and it's either going to be Russia and it's allies left or the US and it's allies left.As far as I'm concerned Putin is no threat to us at the moment. But actually it is Putin who (for a change) is being the sensible one, calling for the US to publish evidence and wait for the UN. The United Nations is an organisation promoting cooperation through diplomatic means, the US should not bypass it when they cannot prove who used what.
Russia said , if ASV will launch rockets to Syria , then Russia will ocupe Baltic country's.What is ASV?
As far as I'm concerned Putin is no threat to us at the moment. But actually it is Putin who (for a change) is being the sensible one, calling for the US to publish evidence and wait for the UN. The United Nations is an organisation promoting cooperation through diplomatic means, the US should not bypass it when they cannot prove who used what.Actually, if the UK is saying it has it's own evidence of chemical weapons usage now, Germany and France are both supporting military strikes against Syria, I doubt it will be long until the UK also joins in and supports it.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1184947_10151655097941840_1026027557_n.jpg)Hahahaha.
EU is requesting from Obama to delay the attack if nothing else.. will see how that goesSomeone please remove this shit from my head.
Two kids being executed by the rebels ...
http://informare.over-blog.it/article-siria-video-i-mercenari-integralisti-uccidono-due-bambini-119878496.html
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What is ASV?USA
Russia said , if ASV will launch rockets to Syria , then Russia will ocupe Baltic country's.Citation needed, because I think that's utter bullshit.
Thats bad.
Citation needed, because I think that's utter bullshit.
Russia said , if ASV will launch rockets to Syria , then Russia will ocupe Baltic country's.
Thats bad.
Baltic is useless, not even of strategic importance to Russia. Do you still have a trauma from the Soviet Occupation?Yes , i have \----> Still hate them ,
Obama Furious After Vladimir Putin Unfriends Him on Facebook (http://www.thedailyrash.com/obama-furious-after-putin-unfriends-him-on-facebook/) - Shit was real dawg. Lol.That's why you have to check credibility of your sources.
Then you decide you want to ban porn even though your considered one of Britain's biggest wankers?
Obama Furious After Vladimir Putin Unfriends Him on Facebook (http://www.thedailyrash.com/obama-furious-after-putin-unfriends-him-on-facebook/) - Shit was real dawg. Lol.He should report him to Facebook admins for abusing the scripts.
That's why you have to check credibility of your sources.
Dear David Cameron.Hahahaha.
Why do you cut the funds to the British navy/army and yet still go away on holiday multiple times a year?
First you attempt to get people who are physically unable to work to actually work
Then you decide you want to ban porn even though your considered one of Britain's biggest wankers?
And now you want to waste money to bomb Syria when Obama says "I wanna start WWIII"
Get your act together at least we are not the ones using our children as props and leaving them outside some rotting pub.
Yours Faithfully, Everyone living in the UK
Obama Furious After Vladimir Putin Unfriends Him on Facebook (http://www.thedailyrash.com/obama-furious-after-putin-unfriends-him-on-facebook/) - Shit was real dawg. Lol.It would've been funnier if you posted an article from the onion,.
U.S in other hand trying to solve this with violence and even willing to strike without the approval of the American people or Congress.
If this happens, then I truly and absolutely believe our voice died.
If this happens, then I truly and absolutely believe our voice died.Ja, you literally never had a voice in the first place..
I get both sides. The government in Syria wants to regain control over it's country, the rebels want freedom. The United states want to protect the citizens that can't protect themselves, even though not involved in the war itself, the USA is a part of the UN which means that they have to take actions with a country uses chemical weapons against it's citizens. A couple of countries are 'supporting' one of the sides and start making threats.
I know it might sound weird, but it's actually starting to look childish. Two big guys disagree about something, a couple of cough guys choose sides and start provoking each other. For example, multiple countries have chosen to support the USA in a military action if Syria really uses chemical weapons (Israel was one of them). Suddenly out of nothing, the other side starts making threats about attacking Israel. I mean, really? Big USA threats Syria so how do we respond, let's attack little Israel? I don't want to insult anyone but that's simply sad. If they have a problem with the USA, solve it with them, not Israel. Israel is just supporting the USA on paper, for now.
I personally support the USA it's plans of supporting the rebellion, but not by calling airstrikes. I think they should either assist with medical assistance and supplies such as ammunition and weapons.
First is the lie of nuclear weapons in Iraq, now is the lie of chemical weapons in Syria, what is next? Iran uses biological weapons against Turkmenistan and needs to be brought down?
I have not read all the topic . But let me point out something about the future . Obviously those topic are and will bring fights within the community , so I suggest two solutions . Either never posting them or simply locking them . U.S.A. and its attacks is a topic that almost every country on this world knows about , believe me it is not a good idea to let people speak about it here.
And this is my opinion ...
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If the USA politicians are this ignorant, this means the USA people are just as ignorant (or worse).I'm not sure I understand.
I'm not sure I understand.
I believe he means that.. The continent is called America.. Not the country itself :p
So it is not USA's job to do anything so far from their country...However it should be within the international communities interests to prevent the use of chemical weapons in warfare.
I'm not sure I understand.
But do keep in mind, the US Government/Politicians do not represent the majority of US citizens.
(https://sphotos-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1174608_414435992012975_1190160020_n.jpg)I take it this picture was made by an American, they are the only ones who would confuse the USA for the whole continent of America.
Oh.
Mikal I'm sure everybody saying 9/11 was an inside job doesn't mean it was staged as in staged with actors. :)
:)
Well these actors did their job well then. Or is it a bit offensive to say that they played dead really good_well they had to pick top notch people.. to.. act dead, and it is a long play.. still acting dead.. damn how much are they getting paid for this
Mikal I'm sure everybody saying 9/11 was an inside job doesn't mean it was staged as in staged with actors. :)9/11 topic on the forums 2 days ago, someone said the whole thing was staged... And to that person, I give such a holy facepalm that even Jesus goes :O
:)
Meanwhile Obama postponed the attacks since Syria may pass in the chemical weaponery..
but then again Syria should not have used chemical weapons in the first place, and all the evidence is there.
But honestly Russia is just scared, scared of the USA attacking Syria,
LOL!Thanks for contributing.
Thanks for contributing.
Please, show me the "evidence".
But honestly Russia is just scared, scared of the USA attacking Syria, removing the Syrian government, and weakening their ties with Iran, along with being able to push Russia out of an area they influence more than any Western country, that is really why Russia is pushing for a diplomatic solution so bad, Russia is a big country, but when it comes to military, it is no match for the west, no country is, and that is why Russia has decided to go full on diplomacy for once, where as in the cold war it was the opposite.(http://bagulhosdovitor.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/its_time_to_stop_posting-n1296694987668.jpg?w=500&h=375)
Such an amazing evidence you have just shown! Before you quote this and say "thank you!" I was being sarcastic.Isn't it pretty clear? Syria is a tactical point for Russia, they have naval bases there, if the US were to attack, Russia would end up being kicked out and lose one of their global strong points, but clearly Russia doesn't want to go to war with the US, because they know they would lose, otherwise they would have been throwing more than insults back and forth right now, just like they nearly did in the cold war, but Russia hasn't even came close to that.
( Just so you know )
By the way please, know that there's a big difference between your own opinion and a fact k? Russia is afraid of the U.S? Ha-ha in your wildest dreams, but not in the present not at all.
Isn't it pretty clear? Syria is a tactical point for Russia, they have naval bases there, if the US were to attack, Russia would end up being kicked out and lose one of their global strong points, but clearly Russia doesn't want to go to war with the US, because they know they would lose, otherwise they would have been throwing more than insults back and forth right now, just like they nearly did in the cold war, but Russia hasn't even came close to that.China would side with Russia. China + Russia vs US, UK, France, Germany, etc. It would be a very close war.
China would side with Russia. China + Russia vs US, UK, France, Germany, etc. It would be a very close war.
Isn't it pretty clear? Syria is a tactical point for Russia, they have naval bases there, if the US were to attack, Russia would end up being kicked out and lose one of their global strong points.
but clearly Russia doesn't want to go to war with the US.
Brazil
You forget that multiple countries have nuclear weapons stored for the United States, so they don't break the international law of having too many nukes on your soil. I know for a fact that The Netherlands is one of those countries.
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Forget about South America. Brazil is not even prepared to defend itself from its neighbors, who are in a much worse state. The only properly armed country there is Venezuela, and even them wouldn't be able to do anything.
China would side with Russia.China owns a large part of the US foreign debt and is using the US economy to grow theirs. Why would China attack the US? It will soon be their land anyway, lol.
China owns a large part of the US foreign debt and is using the US economy to grow theirs. Why would China attack the US? It will soon be their land anyway, lol.Yes because China would successfully invade another country with military spending bigger than all of the world combined, China, psh.
China would side with Russia. China + Russia vs US, UK, France, Germany, etc. It would be a very close war.Maybe close, but the west would still win, Russia and China's military capabilities arnt as big nor as advanced as Western countries, but sure, they have a large number of troops, which would make invading China or Russia virtually impossible, unless they don't have the brains to place and train the troops properly of course, but as someones already said, China wouldn't side with Russia as the US is what keeps them alive.
USA and their allies will not attack Syria.China will never attack the US or any of their allies, it would ruin them without the US or allies even retaliating.
Russia,China and Iran will be against them it will be difficult to make a war because the two sides will take many casualties (World war 3).
Yes because China would successfully invade another country with military spending bigger than all of the world combined, China, psh.They can stop the US from exporting their inflation, and the US economy will fall.
Russia will only defend Syria, such as shooting down missiles, but will not attack any country directly.Russia doesn't print unlimited money; it isn't mandatory for Russia to export their rubles. Taking over Syria is much more important for the US than it is for Russia.
Iran? :lol:
Country with nuclear power isn't a joke ;) They don't need much to set off the nuclear bomb and thousands of people would die. I don't see that as funny fact. :/I see Iran as a joke.
Guys Russian,Chinese and Iranians armies and Economies become stronger every day.... while american and their allies in Economies becomes lower every day... and their armies will be like their economy soon.Please provide your source for this information.
Please provide your source for this information.
Western economy is getting better as it goes.
Please provide your source for this information.
Western economy is getting better as it goes.
Mikal we talking so you can't tell me provide my source of information and i can't tell you that... behave
like i can't tell you are fool or stupid in that case or you tell me that.