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Argonath RPG Community => Speakerbox => Topic started by: Nikiola on September 11, 2013, 01:26:19 pm
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God Bless America
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/452/x6v9.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/197/x6v9.jpg/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8lrTy5mrZY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8lrTy5mrZY)
Don't get made at me because I said it was Fake.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTh3OyfGx20 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTh3OyfGx20)
An To prove it was fake I Have proof Below:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/fake-9-11-hero-admits-lie-fellow-firefighters-192558839.html (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/fake-9-11-hero-admits-lie-fellow-firefighters-192558839.html)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEoievoxces&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEoievoxces&feature=player_embedded)
Wallace Miller, Coroner of Sommerset County sure didn't go along with the official story of 9/11…
… Take a look at some of his quotes:
"Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on the magnificently sunny morning of September 11. He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says, "like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it." Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service." As a funeral director, Miller says, he is honored and humbled to preside over what has become essentially an immense cemetery stretching far into the scenic wooded mountain ridge. He considers it the final resting place of 40 national heroes."
He told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette: "It was as if the plane had stopped and let the passengers off before it crashed." (Tom Gibb, "Newsmaker: Coroner's quiet unflappability helps him take charge of Somerset tragedy," Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, 10/15/2001)
He told CNN on March 11, 2002: "It was a really a very unusual site. You almost would've thought the passengers had been dropped off somewhere. … Even by the standard model of an airplane crash, there was very little, even by those standards."
Author Jere Longman wrote: "Wallace Miller, the Somerset County coroner, arrived and walked around the [crash] site with [a*sistant volunteer fire chief Rick] King. … They walked around for an hour and found almost no human remains. 'If you didn't know, you would have thought no one was on the plane,' Miller said. 'You would have thought they dropped them off somewhere.'" (Among the Heroes, 2002, p. 217)
Recalling the crash scene a full year later (9/11/2002), Miller told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review: "This is the most eerie thing. I have not, to this day, seen a single drop of blood. Not a drop." (Robb Frederick, "The day that changed America," Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, 9/11/2002)
Australian newspaper "The Age" reported: "Miller was familiar with scenes of sudden and violent death, although none quite like this. Walking in his gumboots, the only recognisable body part he saw was a piece of spinal cord, with five vertebrae attached. 'I've seen a lot of highway fatalities where there's fragmentation,' Miller said. 'The interesting thing about this particular case is that I haven't, to this day, 11 months later, seen any single drop of blood. Not a drop. The only thing I can deduce is that the crash was over in half a second. There was a fireball 15-20 metres high, so all of that material just got vaporised.'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reQZT9Hzvt8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reQZT9Hzvt8)
Empty towers
Back in the year 2007, there was a post in a message board about the fact that the 9/11 jumper pics were faked.
This is was just about the time I started to question everything about 9/11.
Fast forward to August of 2008… I was hanging out in my local park when I overheard a black couple arguing about basketball star Michael Jordan. Anytime I hear black folk questioning a fellow black hero, it gets my attention. I found black people "get it"… they understand how "whitey" screws them over, so I moved into their conversation. They thought Jordan was a sellout and manipulated poor kids to buy his expensive sneakers. Well, duh! Of course he does…
… So I decided to test my new-found knowledge about 9/11 on this couple. We spoke for over an hour. In fact, I could have gone on forever but my wife was itching to eat dinner.
Then, a bombshell was dropped on me. Their daughter survived 9/11. Yep, she reported to work an hour before the "event", but was turned away because of a preplanned drill.
HOLY CRAP.
Because this matches up with this interesting snippet found in the New York Times:
"Just before the south tower collapsed at 9:59 a.m., a spurt of calls reached the 911 operators. One of these was from Shimmy Biegeleisen, who worked for Fiduciary Trust in the south tower on computer systems. He was on the 97th floor where, by chance, an emergency drill had been scheduled for that day. Mr. Biegeleisen called his home in Brooklyn, spoke with his wife and prayed with a friend, Jack Edelman, who remembered hearing him say: "Of David. A Psalm. The earth is the Lord's and all that is in it, the world and those that live in it."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/nyregion/31cnd-tapes.html?_r=3&pagewanted=2&ei=5070&en=09348674a8389597&ex=1144728000&oref=slogin&oref=slogin& (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/nyregion/31cnd-tapes.html?_r=3&pagewanted=2&ei=5070&en=09348674a8389597&ex=1144728000&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&)
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Why is this in SA:MP General anyway? Should be moved to Speakerbox.
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Why is this in SA:MP General anyway? Should be moved to Speakerbox.
saw that afterwards i'll have it moved
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Every video on YouTube is the truth.
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What'a load'a crap.
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Some don't like to talk about it, some believe it was actually a terrorist attack, others believe it was an inside job, we might probably never know the truth
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americans are made to believe and make up huge conspiracy theories because of their free speech and public media.. to be honest I couldn't care less, it's sad that people died but I don't care who did it
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Human stupidity is infinite.
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Real or not families were ruined by this event, I hope and pray that those lost and their friends/families have found peace
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It was real I think but the US government definitely took advantage of the situation
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I only have one question when it comes to the attacks.
Why did the news channel confirm that building 7 fell, when it was still standing in the background of the camera? A few minutes later, it fell.
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I only have one question when it comes to the attacks.
Why did the news channel confirm that building 7 fell, when it was still standing in the background of the camera? A few minutes later, it fell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_delay
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Still if the attacks are genuine, US government did nothing to stop them I am sure their agencies knew about the attacks and that they will occur on that day, but still refrained from doing anything to stop them or during the time that the flights had been reported as hijacked. They surely took advantage of them though.
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I will never stop to be impressed by the knowledge some humans claim to possess. I advise you to read a lot more about 9/11 before you express your opinion because the videos you posted are shit.
Loose Change (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsRm8M-qOjQ)
The above documentary is quite good, however it is also filled with crap time to time but the thoughts of the creator are based on re-search. Compared to your post and the links to youtube videos Loose change can be qualified as a damn good documentary with several good and proven points.
I only have one question when it comes to the attacks.
Why did the news channel confirm that building 7 fell, when it was still standing in the background of the camera? A few minutes later, it fell.
It was A LOT going on during that day. The media did not only covered this but they also spoke with several government employees and covered up on three different places (Washington DC, New York and Pennsylvania). Showing everything live was impossible. It is just a fortune the news text on the screen was not synced with what was shown on the television, and lets face the facts. It is only two three steel buildings that have collapsed in WORLD HISTORY due to fire. The first building is World Trade Center two, the second is World Trade Center one and the last and third is World Trade Center five. No one had ever thought about those buildings to collapse, it was not even thought about by the rescue units.
May the victims rest in peace.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_delay
I know that it delays, but it was in the background AS she spoke.
She said it went down while it was right behind her
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lets face the facts. It is only two three steel buildings that have collapsed in WORLD HISTORY due to fire.
Yeah, because it has a giant gaping hole.
I must admit, there are 'some' stuffs that I question about the incident that occurred.. but I'm skeptical to believe it for now.
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The proof available to us is more than clear to prove that it was all orchestrated.
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Yeah, because it has a giant gaping hole.
If the towers would had collapsed due to the hole the lowest floor would not had been 'surviving'. It started from the top and collapsed for each floor, which is odd due to the power of physics.
Some things are clear. Some are not. Lets stop at that.
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You are right. It is clear that it was faked.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1240011_633650646675710_820220414_n.jpg)
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How can people actually think the 9/11 was faked up? I am having a good laugh right now.
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For me, it can't be a coincidence that the whole Defense System including all fighting jets have been in training that day.. Even if so, training could of stop and there would be an order for them to turn a 'training' mission, into actual defense of airspace.
Second, I've seen thousand of videos.. and there are even MANY proofs that the planes have been actual holography/hologram aka 3D Faked. (Even though impossible for the whole people nearby, however see the fact that no camera away have shots of the plane and even near video shots do and do not have the planes but a ball crashing into the buildings.)
Thirdly, the 'crash' spots have near no shape to the planes accused of crashing into the towers. It's another fact that there were no planes, even if there were, there would be some kind of huge explosion blasting AT LEAST 2-3 floors beneath!
Fourth, Lava at spots and corners on towers (Well not exactly lava, but I can't recall the phrase..) You get the point anyway whereas there was somekind of INSIDE JOB on explosions used on all poles in order to burn all that metal on SUCH a high temperature.
Fifth, Pentagon faked planes the same day.. every video about pentagon proves it's fake, you can't tell me the opposite here really.
SIXTH and MOST important, USA had a reason behind all this.. Quite simple; Hunt a FAKE leader from another country which is RICH in Oil, Metal and Golds.. Two years later (or not, I'm not good at history) USA started a big war which ended few months ago...
Irony how B. Obama gets the nobel for World Peace, whilst he attempts to start the 3rd World War right now. That's all pretty much!
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How can people actually think the 9/11 was faked up? I am having a good laugh right now.
There are different things that make those people think that.
NORAD failed that day, jet fighters that were supposed to respond to the hijacked planes were in some kind of drills,
Pentagon's defense failed to shoot down the 'plane'
Jet fuel burns with about 1000º C while the steel that used in the towers could withstand about 1100º C for 6 hours, this being certified by Underwriters Laboratories Inc.
WTC maintenance workers and FDNY rescuers confirm massive explosions.
There are more things that make some think this was an excuse for a war.
And there was a recent event that happened that once again looks like an excuse for another war..
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Rock, what about the logs of the ATC? That should be the proof that the planes were hi-jacked..
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Sadly all evidence from these days including MOST record tapes/proofs of ANY state police/emergency service was turned into classified files, and this was by order of G W. Bush... Oh please, enough already.
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Sadly all evidence from these days including MOST record tapes/proofs of ANY state police/emergency service was turned into classified files, and this was by order of G W. Bush... Oh please, enough already.
Well, then History Channel just wanted audience..
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Not really, there were certainly a lot of records coming of from people who recorded them, but official record/tapes were made classified to cover up the real story.. Another fact why most of the Americans will continue being lied and believe in everything that their politicians state..
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let me tell you what's coincidence:
(http://i487.photobucket.com/albums/rr233/Caltson/Untitled_zpse53db9b3.png)
Anyhow, I don't see why there would be such a conspiracy. Yeah sure, to give America a reason to attack the middle east but that is a very simple way of thinking.
What if the stock market escalated down on America after the attack? What if the economy was ruined because large companies are afraid to investigate anymore? Do you think America would take such a risk? I find it hard to believe, really. There are more subtle ways to start a war than taking such a big risk.
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I didn't quite understand what you mean Caltson but if a conspiracy is true then these very large companies were very much aware of the situation
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wow
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vka7Da6e9LY
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Wait some people think it was real?
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It is Real.
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I suppose 9/11 was a great CGI trick as well yes? And everyone on the streets and all over the New York Metropolitan area and Washington DC were just actors.
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I suppose 9/11 was a great CGI trick as well yes? And everyone on the streets and all over the New York Metropolitan area and Washington DC were just actors.
Not likely there was people who died there,In the tower's Some did jump to end there fate faster.
But the plane's never hit It was Explosives implanted in the building for all i know but If you think so sure. An the building fell straight down when used in demolition crews' If a plane hit it should fell sideways
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this whole bush family is fucked up.
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Another point I forgot to mention earlier, the way the building came down is clearly another proof there were explosive material being used.. Controlled demolition with fake planes CGI/Hologram whatever* to cover it up..
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I think the 9/11 was real as I remember it on live TV, though why would they be streaming the twintowers for this long, exactly when there was live tv from there, 2 planes flew into the building? It makes you wonder about things :p
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I find it hilarious and sad that you people are all only addressing the issue from the side of conspiracy theorists. You fail to prove a point if you fail to (successfully) refute claims made from the other side - all you people are doing is bringing up claims, attempting to back them up, and shutting your eyes and ears out to anything and anyone else that says otherwise. You might as well be an atheist who tries to speak out against Christianity without knowing a single thing about Christianity, the bible, or anything that would justify atheism. It's also funny how the very people who are doing this are those who accuse Americans of doing the very same.
Mind you, the same people who think 9/11 was conducted by the government are the very same people who think the moon landing was fake (ITT: jealous ex-Soviet veterans jealous they didn't win lol only kidding pls don't get butthurt), who think the Boston bombings were premeditated by the bomb squads, and who think Colonel Sanders' secret "special herbs and spice" in KFC's food cause impotence in black people. We call this species... the conspiracy theorists. Name me ONE reasonable conspiracy theory with sufficient evidence behind it to even suggest that it is true, aside from 9/11.
No one is willing to approach 9/11 with a neutral standpoint; as far as I see, those who THINK they know 9/11 to be a hoax are foreigners who know little about the United States (despite their claims) and show feelings of animosity towards the United States despite their ignorance, just as those who THINK they know 9/11 is what everyone said happened (not exactly to EVERY LETTER like conspirators like to think people believe... there's grey areas in every public event/disaster that's broadcasted, that's a fact) are your typical Americans living a privileged, innocent life, aware of but not knowledgeable about the events occurring around them. Let's be honest, an American individual has better things to do than worry about the world all the damn time. The world sucks, and bad shit goes down every hour the clock ticks by, and if they spent all their time worrying, they'd get nothing done. There's nothing American individuals can do about, say, Syria. Nothing. It's in the individual's best interest to just not care, so that they can focus on the priorities in THEIR lives. Long paragraph short: Americans care more about what goes on inside their borders than outside... I can't say the same for the government, unfortunately.
America bashers trying to make a scene by saying "z0mg conspiracy" to every little thing are nothing but disgusting nuisances... people who ACTUALLY dedicate a few minutes from their day for the sole purpose of tarnishing someone else's view on a legitimate country without even presenting a fair argument from BOTH sides... I'm sure all you people did was Google search "september 11 hoax" or something along those lines, find a few "reputable" sites who just make GIGANTIC and otherworldly claims based on small pieces of evidence, read them, and not even bother to research if any of that was bullshit? It's like trying to find ghosts in a video recording. "OH LOOK, A SPECK OF LIGHT MOVING, TOTES A GHOST." People like that who serve no purpose other than to shit on America with unfounded claims should just back out of discussion before they make a fool of themselves.
Now, instead of posting links to z0mg9/11isfake sites (FYI - the news isn't the only thing capable of brainwashing through propaganda), try something a little more neutral. It sickens me that all of these sites claiming to demand the "truth" about 9/11 are just more people wasting their time prying around for the TINIEST scrap of evidence that the government orchestrated the attacks. Those demanding the truth should be demanding more than just tidbits of evidence to try and accuse everyone of conspiring - they should be actually trying to make progress towards the TRUTH. Leaders of the deceptive "truth" movement like Alex Jones draw their stories around the truth like a child drawing around their hand. Psychologists will tell you that even perfectly sane people have the ability to accept wild conspiracy theories. The more powerless or alone we feel, the more likely we are to develop such theories.
Those of you that have the time to watch videos and read articles regarding the possibility of 9/11 being faked, then you have more than enough time to try and see it from the other side. Read up a little bit on the other side, THEN present an argument. And when I say read up on the other side, I don't mean just read up and say "bullshit, bullshit, bullshit" at every single line you read. Take it with an open mind. Try to see it from the other side.
http://debunking911.com/index.html
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842
Wikipedia is well-known for its standards for neutrality. Articles, especially popular ones, are frequently checked, and recent edits are HIGHLY scrutinized. If your teachers are stupid like mine and don't allow Wikipedia as a source of information citations based on the fact that it can be freely edited, I feel your pain.
Wikipedia approaches 9/11 NEUTRALLY. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories)
Some of you are going to get auto-butthurt and start thinking I'm among the typical uninformed innocent American individuals who believes every word the news says. I will neither affirm nor reject these claims, for anyone who makes them is undeserving of a discussion with me.
I will close by repeating this statement again, because it is the part I want to stick in people most:
Psychologists will tell you that even perfectly sane people have the ability to accept wild conspiracy theories. The more powerless or alone we feel, the more likely we are to develop such theories.
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this whole bush family is f**ked up.
Yeah they funded Nazi Germany man. Plus it's one of the most powerful and rich families in US, even before involved in politics.
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9/11 as an event was real, when it comes to WTC, altough many experts claim that in order for building to collaps like that, it needs to be detonated on specific places around those buildings in order to collaps.
So lets say its irrelevant if the building collapsed just cause of plane hit, or some other things were used as well, the point is the story about 9/11 wasn't real at least the one served by the US Administration.
Also does any of you belive a plane hit Pentagon? Do your own reserach a bit you will find that the theory of a plane hitting it and making that damage is completly impossible.
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Also does any of you belive a plane hit Pentagon? Do your own reserach a bit you will find that the theory of a plane hitting it and making that damage is completly impossible.
Some say it was a RQ4
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Not likely there was people who died there,In the tower's Some did jump to end there fate faster.
But the plane's never hit It was Explosives implanted in the building for all i know but If you think so sure. An the building fell straight down when used in demolition crews' If a plane hit it should fell sideways
I surely hope your career has nothing to do with physics, can you explain to me how in the hell a building would fall perfectly sideways? Especially when there was a core failure. And I've been around a thermite explosion before when I watched them demolish a bridge and the amount that it would take to blow JUST ONE of the towers would be audible in a massive radius all of Manhattan Brooklyn Jersey City what you have here is a shockwave, one that every video camera recording would be able to see in which you can not see or hear obviously you are wrong.
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the point is the story about 9/11 wasn't real
That is what I meant when I mention 9/11 hoaxes/fakes. It was written at about 1:30AM so some of the wording isn't precisely the point I wanted to get across. Mistake on my part
TL;DR of my above post - check both sides of the argument before drawing a conclusion.
Also, don't you find it strange that if you search the names of the so-called "experts" who give their "expert opinion" on 9/11 in those retarded conspiracy videos (which are equally as propaganda-filled, if not more, than the news), you'll only find their names being affiliated with 9/11 "truth" groups? It's a conspiracy within a conspiracy! O_o wow very strange wow edgy illuminati
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcrF346sS_I
"Being skeptical is good, but looking at this, and having your first thoughts be, 'This a hoax staged by the government'... well that takes a special kind of asshole."
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Wait some people think it was real?
Wait, some people still think it was faked?
Anyway, as for the actual collapse of the buildings, I still like what Gandalf's theory that he posted a few years ago: that there were charges placed in the building to prevent sideways collapse (into Manhattan) after what happened in 1993, and that they were detonated to bring down the buildings vertically after the real terrorist attack on September 11th. Of course they couldn't say that there were charges and that they'd brought down their own buildings with people still incide, the outcry would be insane.
As a theory, it explains a lot of things quite neatly, but obviously there is no evidence for it either way.
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The spillage of thousands of gallons of fuel and the resulting fire (which set various office materials ablaze, such as wooden desks, computers, chairs, and hydrocarbon-based plastics which burn at very high temperatures) warped the support beams on the floors near the fire, to the point where it could no longer hold the weight of the upper floors, resulting in the combined weight of the floors above the immediate crash zone falling onto the lower floors. And thus, collapse.
To think that the government would commit such a heinous, cruel mass murder on its own people it is sworn to protect is absurd on its own, but to continue to say that not even a SINGLE government official would have been against the government's plan, and to say not a single one of them would have whistleblown? These are thousands of lives we're talking about, and families of those thousands who care for them. Government officials are equally as human as we are, capable of empathy, guilt, and compassion. Surely one of them would have done something about it?
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Obama, just like Bush, are all puppets of the Elite, they are just there to take the pressure from people, so they think that they are the highest in administration, without looking through.
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Another point I forgot to mention earlier, the way the building came down is clearly another proof there were explosive material being used.. Controlled demolition with fake planes CGI/Hologram whatever* to cover it up..
I don't know if you got the memo but this happened in 2001.
you know this 2001
(http://mrpopculture.com/content/images/compaq%20computer%202001.jpg)
To say CGI is incredibly stupid to say hologram I don't have such words to describe such idiocy, do we even have proper holograms today? Nope, we do however have CGI but back then it was shit and you think the hole in the building just magically appeared and cameras like they had back then were crap and garbage to todays and todays can not take a good image of CGI because CGI is based on a computer where it stays. I need to buy a new desk now, because it's all broken up because of how many times I have facedesked at what you said here OH AND ONE MORE THING since when did you learn about physics, explosives, demolition please show me the degrees or at least give me sustainable proof that you have any whatsoever knowledge in this field.
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if we just had fucking HD cameras when 9/11 happened there would be much less questions
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if we just had f**king HD cameras when 9/11 happened there would be much less questions
Not even true just look at the Boston bombing but I suppose the argument that it was a surprise attack and didn't happen over hours is reasonable. But what annoys me is people who have none to barely no actual education in the field they are discussing. And CGI/Holograms?!? one of these things we have yet to properly perfect yet....
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We like to think we can make equations out of nature's every power that we can simply plug into simulations...
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Wait, some people still think it was faked?
You've probably missunderstood my point::
9/11 as an event was real, when it comes to WTC, altough many experts claim that in order for building to collaps like that, it needs to be detonated on specific places around those buildings in order to collaps.
the point is the story about 9/11 wasn't real at least the one served by the US Administration.
But on the other side, Pentagon is a completly different story, and everyone should more focus on that then on WTC.
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Surely one of them would have done something about it?
Yeah, and he probably got his 'whistle blown' as you say
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But on the other side, Pentagon is a completly different story, and everyone should more focus on that then on WTC.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/debunking-911-myths-pentagon
I will never stop to be impressed by the knowledge some humans claim to possess. I advise you to read a lot more about 9/11 before you express your opinion because the videos you posted are shit.
Loose Change (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsRm8M-qOjQ)
The above documentary is quite good, however it is also filled with crap time to time but the thoughts of the creator are based on re-search. Compared to your post and the links to youtube videos Loose change can be qualified as a damn good documentary with several good and proven points.
Ah, Loose Change. The single most popular 9/11 conspiracy film, and the primary reason why so many people have been brainwashed into believing such absurd claims and into ignoring any rebuttals. Here's a debate video with full transcript included below (in case you're like me and don't like videos very much), which includes the following people:
Dylan Avery, writer and director of "Loose Change."
Jason Bermas, researcher for "Loose Change."
James Meigs, editor-in-chief of Popular Mechanics. Part of the editorial team that produced "Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand Up to the Facts."
David Dunbar, executive editor of Popular Mechanics. Part of the editorial team that produced "Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can’t Stand Up to the Facts."
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/9/11/exclusive_9_11_debate_loose_change
The above debate also covers the Pentagon. I found this debate to be one of the most interesting sources of claims from BOTH sides of the argument. Definitely worth the read/watch. One quote in particular that stood out to me because of how true it is...
"You know, this is a wonderful example of how conspiracy theories work. Any time there’s a little bit of doubt, a little bit of area where we don’t know everything, then the answer immediately is, well, someone must have blown it up. It’s a form of argumentation that’s also used by creationists. If they can find one little gap in the evolutionary record, they say evolution’s a hoax[...]"
Please take some time to check the following links as well. Pretty sure no one will check out any links I post though, because they'd rather maintain that they're 100% right without taking a look at both sides than hear it out and possibly have to admit that they were wrong... it's okay, it's only natural to want to stay right, even if it means steering clear of rationality, reason, and logic.
http://www.911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
^point-by-point critique of Loose Change.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/feb/06/comment.film
"The next evident flaw is that the plot they propose must have involved tens of thousands of people. It could not have been executed without the help of demolition experts, the security firms guarding the World Trade Centre, Mayor Giuliani (who hastily disposed of the remains), much of the US air force, the Federal Aviation Administration and the North American Aerospace Defence Command, the relatives of the people "killed" in the plane crashes, the rest of the Pentagon's staff, the Los Alamos laboratories, the FBI, the CIA, and the investigators who picked through the rubble.
If there is one universal American characteristic, it is a confessional culture that permits no one with a good story to keep his mouth shut. People appear on the Jerry Springer Show to admit to carnal relations with their tractors. Yet none of the participants in this monumental crime has sought to blow the whistle - before, during or after the attacks. No one has volunteered to tell the greatest story ever told."
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I don't know if you got the memo but this happened in 2001.
you know this 2001
(http://mrpopculture.com/content/images/compaq%20computer%202001.jpg)
To say CGI is incredibly stupid to say hologram I don't have such words to describe such idiocy, do we even have proper holograms today? Nope, we do however have CGI but back then it was shit and you think the hole in the building just magically appeared and cameras like they had back then were crap and garbage to todays and todays can not take a good image of CGI because CGI is based on a computer where it stays. I need to buy a new desk now, because it's all broken up because of how many times I have facedesked at what you said here OH AND ONE MORE THING since when did you learn about physics, explosives, demolition please show me the degrees or at least give me sustainable proof that you have any whatsoever knowledge in this field.
I wont even bother to reply fully, do your research on visual effects on last generations/ages and you might find an answer ;) Also be aware that there are still tons of technology produced but never released to public, after all you might get what I meant by Hologram/CGI (Not meaning at all) but at visual effects.
I'll just leave this here; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henry_Pepper
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Trough the years many conspiracy theorists came up with many theories about America's worst attacks. Pearl Harbor for example. The President and his high ranks knew about the Japanese Imperial Navy approaching Hawaii, but did not warn them. But it's a fact, the United States was attacked and recieved hundreds of casualties. Same happened with the World Trade Center. Too much things happened that lead to people doubting the legitimacy of the official Terrorist Attack story...But we will never know, unless a US President releases info in the future or whatever.
Face it, none of us can know the exact truth. Some theories might be right, but you can't be sure. Let's just accept the fact that innocent people died. The fact that the story ain't so buyable is there, but for f's sake, it's been twelve years already. "9/11 - Never Forget" does not mean never forget about the victims and the firemen who sacrificed themselvs, we should forget about debating about it. It happened, you can't go back in time or do anything, just live on and remember the victims, forget about the reason.
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I will take a look at the links you posted tomorrow when I have unlimited time.
It is always interest to see new documentaries and theories, even though it is quite easy to understand what happened and what did not..
Thanks.
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George W Bush was behind the 9/11 attack :/
The truth hurts !!
http://youtu.be/RAAztWC5sT8 (http://youtu.be/RAAztWC5sT8)
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George W Bush was behind the 9/11 attack :/
The truth hurts !!
http://youtu.be/RAAztWC5sT8 (http://youtu.be/RAAztWC5sT8)
no.
truth =/= popular belief
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George W Bush was behind the 9/11 attack :/
The truth hurts !!
http://youtu.be/RAAztWC5sT8 (http://youtu.be/RAAztWC5sT8)
Because every YouTube video is true and never lies and is never developed by some conspiracy theory idiots who think the government is after them. No, no.
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THIS !!! PEOPLE WAKE UP
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THIS !!! PEOPLE WAKE UP
They will continue to be blind to the forseen truth :bananav:
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People die every day, stop being so fucking lewd about 9/11 just because Americans aren't used to a living in a primeval shithole with that kind of bullshit going on every day in their own streets. 9/11 was the first attack on American soil (Pearl Harbor excluded, as Hawaii was not a state at the time and is also an island). The amount of money the US spends on national defense is way too much, but at least it works and the US is going strong.
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People die every day, stop being so f**king lewd about 9/11 just because Americans aren't used to a living in a primeval shithole with that kind of bullshit going on every day in their own streets.
Yeah, they just let their soldiers go through that experience in other countries.
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Yeah, they just let their soldiers go through that experience in other countries.
Basically. Believe me, if I could swing down a gavel and just have everyone in the world put a sock in it and get along so NO ONE has to experience such terrible things, I would. But I am nothing on the larger scale.
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How can people actually think the 9/11 was faked up? I am having a good laugh right now.
Real Patriot, proud of you.
Tell me how come WTC fell right down because of some fire in 80th floor?
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Real Patriot, proud of you.
Tell me how come WTC fell right down because of some fire in 80th floor?
Please click the links on my posts past few pages. Every question you have will be answered there.
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Please click the links on my posts past few pages. Every question you have will be answered there.
I'm not really what you mean, you just posted bunch of news articles.
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I'm not really what you mean, you just posted bunch of news articles.
Some of them are news articles, others are independent sites, magazine sites, etc. One of the news articles contains a debate between pro-conspirators and anti-conspirators. You honestly think I would post a bunch of news articles like that? You honestly think I think every word that comes out of the news is the truth?
Thank you for admitting you'd rather maintain your ignorance.
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Think about it have you seen plane explodes crashes? Secondly,the plane is actually on the shape of the building, when the plane crashes you see not even one peace of it. When it explodes the parts go to any directions. Example,wouldn't the tail be shown or just fall when the explode happend? Did you see any part of the plane after crash or just a big hole,that in the other side there was no smoke,no fire.
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Plane crashes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58Dj-M35MGU
9/11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nscv_S-5pRI
See the explosions,do you see fire in 9/11? do you see damage in the other side? I see just a hole with smoke. I believe there weren't planes.
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How can you even assume it was fake?
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Some of them are news articles, others are independent sites, magazine sites, etc. One of the news articles contains a debate between pro-conspirators and anti-conspirators. You honestly think I would post a bunch of news articles like that? You honestly think I think every word that comes out of the news is the truth?
Thank you for admitting you'd rather maintain your ignorance.
I'm confused, I think you misunderstood me, so I just stop posting here.
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How can you even assume it was fake?
Exactly, THERE WAS NOT PLANES?
Oh ok, so where did all the passengers of the missing flights go, what did we see that was just as big, the same shape and the same sound of plane that flew into the towers?
Are you suggesting the US has some kind of super projector? Heres something for you, get in your car and try to drive through about 5 walls of reinforced concrete, see how far you get, not even through the first one is my guess, thats kind of what these planes faced, which would be why theres no hole in the other side, they just smashed through and broke up on impact, planes arnt made like tanks, they are very nimble when it comes to things hitting them.