[Denied] Andy_Gvardia banned by mclaren

[Andy.]

Your in-game name:
Andy_Gvardia

Ban reason as was stated in-game:
Racism

Admin who banned you:
mclaren

When you were banned:
13 June 2014

Additional notes:
Myself and Antonio were having a conversation on our cb channel. Our conversation included insults and may have seemed heated from the outside, but I assure you: Antonio and I are friends for about 4 years and it was nothing unusual for us. It was not an argument. Nothing serious. Myself and Antonio both were aware it was all in good fun. I do not see how our private conversation on our private CB channel would bother anyone. Hell, we didn't care.

Also, dictionary reason of racism: the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

I in no way claimed my race was superior to Antonio's, and vice versa.

[Andy.]

Only other player on our CB was Tarik, and he can testify if you'd like. He did not mind it either. No /report's were issued.

[Conroy]

I in no way claimed my race was superior to Antonio's, and vice versa.

Maybe not to Antonio, but you were making racist remarks else where. I hope you don't deny that.

The same applies to you as it does to Antonio - let me know that this sort of behaviour won't be repeated, regardless of where it takes place and who is involved and then we can discuss your unban.

[Andy.]

Maybe not to Antonio, but you were making racist remarks else where. I hope you don't deny that.

Please elaborate. If I wasn't being racist to Antonio while I was talking to ONLY Antonio, who was I being racist against.

The same applies to you as it does to Antonio - let me know that this sort of behaviour won't be repeated, regardless of where it takes place and who is involved and then we can discuss your unban.
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I have not behaved out of order. Funny thing is if you were not eavesdropping on our conversation on the cb, our conversation would change direction to cars or women, without any individual knowning, let alone being affected by our 'racist' conversation

[Andy.]

^Failed to quote you there

[Conroy]

I'm not going to post the logs here for obvious reasons, but I will give you a brief summary. I am however unable to access the logs for another 24 hours, that is just how the server works. If you really want to dispute this ban, then you will have to wait.

[Andy.]

Sure, I am dying to find out what racial slur I said offended which individual 

Or, if someone was being intolerant.

[Andy.]

Any updates?

[Conroy]

I feel like I am repeating myself in your unban request, so please refer to Antonio's.

[Andy.]

I believe the reason you are not posting the logs is because you do not want to be a laughing stock
 for banning us, rather then the racial content. In that case, indeed:

it's a stupid move to post them

Please provide proof of  our so called 'racial slurs'

I told you to stop when I first saw racist messages but you both decided to carry on.

Hmm the thing is we were not sure Sauron was referring to our conversation, as we were not aware we were being 'racist'. We thought he was just talking to other people, perhaps.

[Devin]

Do you have some sort of problem with a member of the HQ to such an extent that you are going to give him attitude at every point along the way?

[00:40:19] mclaren (22) : -----  stop the racism in cb...
[00:40:27] Andy_Gvardia (16) : the f**k

Yes, you didn't know a thing, you didn't know it was referred to you at all.

[Andy.]

Not at all, Devin. I respect all members of the HQ. Please forgive me for seeming upset about being banned absurdly.
 

[00:40:19] mclaren (22) : -----  stop the racism in cb...
[00:40:27] Andy_Gvardia (16) : the f**k

That is circumstantial evidence, it does not prove that I knew Sauron was referring to us. It just shows my acknowledgement  of the presence of Sauron. Do not get me wrong, I am not pinning the reason of this ban to my uncertainty of Sauron's warning. That would be naive of me, it would be foolish to try to manipulate HQ in such a way.  I assure you, that is not the case.

Yes, you didn't know a thing, you didn't know it was referred to you at all.

With all due respect: You indicate my attitude, yet you show attitude yourself.. No need for the bitter sarcasm. Please review my previous statement:

Hmm the thing is we were not sure Sauron was referring to our conversation

I never denied the possibility. I just stated that I was uncertain.

Would you willing to PM us the logs so we can see what we said was considered racist?

[Devin]

Word things as you would like, try and twist the truth. Make up your own ideas about what was said.
You're free to go on all day but I don't have the time nor am I paid to deal with these matters.

As far as I am concerned this unban request is denied until you can show some acknowledgement for your actions.