[Denied] Kenji_Gvardia banned by Mikro

[Kenji]

Your in-game name:
Kenji_Gvardia

Ban reason as was stated in-game:
Disregard for quality RP

Admin who banned you:
Mikro

When you were banned:
Idk i was offline

Additional notes:
Please explain why i got banned so we can talk...

[eymas]

If you have anything you could say that you think has led to the ban, then you could start off with that. You wouldn't be banned without reason so you must have done something that would lead to this.

But, I'll leave the rest to mikro.

[Kenji]

Well i think im sure now its about the kidnaping case that happend 2 days ago with sopranos and how Gvardias found me..


but you should know that  they didn't found me out of no where.

edited.
 

[Mikro]

This is indeed about Dennis and how Gvardia found you. Let start with when Gvardia members/friends started to join.

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[01:22:44] Tyrell_Cole(9) logged in.
[01:23:01] CMD  -> Tyrell_Cole (9) : /pm 3 whr r u
[01:23:13] Sam_Gvardia(10) logged in.
[01:23:49] CMD  -> Sam_Gvardia (10) : /pm 3 by?
[01:24:21] CMD  -> Tyrell_Cole (9) : /area 3
[01:24:42] Cofiliano_Gvardia(15) logged in.
[01:25:50] CMD  -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /cb where u at
[01:25:51] CMD  -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /cb kenji
[01:25:55] CMD  -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /area 3

Obviously somehow they knew what was going on. So no need to cover that up. This is your first mistake. After that you proceeded to tell them the location.

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[01:26:21] CMD  -> Kenji_Gvardia (3) : /gm Leaft hollow FC

AFTER you told the location, you started talking about how they would have found you in RP. This clearly shows you all knew what was wrong in this situation. Especially the fact that all this happened after already sharing the core information is really low.

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[01:26:27] CMD  -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /GM they with u?
[01:27:28] CMD  -> Kenji_Gvardia (3) : /gm guys whats your reason would be how you found kenji
[01:27:38] CMD  -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /gm dont worry about that
[01:27:40] CMD  -> Sam_Gvardia (10) : /gm do /me presses on a button
[01:27:46] CMD  -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /gm no
[01:27:46] CMD  -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /gm no
[01:27:47] CMD  -> Sam_Gvardia (10) : /gm without them seeing
[01:27:51] CMD  -> Sam_Gvardia (10) : /gm or not
[01:28:09] CMD  -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /gm where u at
[01:28:14] CMD  -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /me turns on his GPS tracker on Kenji Gvardia
[01:28:15] CMD  -> Kenji_Gvardia (3) : /gm they did frisk me
[01:28:21] CMD  -> Sam_Gvardia (10) : /me switches his tracker on.
[01:28:22] CMD  -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /gm just tell me
[01:29:45] CMD  -> Kenji_Gvardia (3) : /gm he might shoot me now cuz u shoot him
[01:29:49] CMD  -> Kenji_Gvardia (3) : /gm rush if possible

As you can see, you freely talked about several things while you were kidnapped. No one even tried to make it more RP, while everyone of you had the chance to do so.

Obviously you will say that what Cofiliano did was enough. Well, that MIGHT be enough to FIND a person, but it really is poor RP just to suit a certain win-mentality. Besides, such a "RP" does:..
1. not provide a reason to why they were looking for you and how they knew you were kidnapped.
2. not excuse you from any further RP.
3. not give any reason or right to directly shoot at the situation, especially from a distance (the DM part the others got banned for).


You all took part in this, you all failed to bring this to a fair end while you all had the chance too. If it makes you feel any better, Dennis is also banned for his constant revenge and forcing RP.

[Kenji]

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. Let start with when Gvardia members/friends started to join.
[01:22:44] Tyrell_Cole(9) logged in.
[01:23:01] CMD -> Tyrell_Cole (9) : /pm 3 whr r u
[01:23:13] Sam_Gvardia(10) logged in.
[01:23:49] CMD -> Sam_Gvardia (10) : /pm 3 by?
[01:24:21] CMD -> Tyrell_Cole (9) : /area 3
[01:24:42] Cofiliano_Gvardia(15) logged in.
[01:25:50] CMD -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /cb where u at
[01:25:51] CMD -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /cb kenji
[01:25:55] CMD -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /area 3

Obviously somehow they knew what was going on. So no need to cover that up. This is your first mistake. After that you proceeded to tell them the location.

We were all together on TeamSpeak, working on a project, and I told them Dennis and others are approaching me (which is kinda normal thing to mention once you're talking to people on TS)
Since they sensed danger for me (which is a normal thing to sensed based on Dennis constant revenging and trying to cut off videos to make us look like we're rulebreaking), they stopped the project we were all working on at that point(n't say much more about the project, yet it takes 5-10 min to shut it down without losing the data, and TS server we host has to be turn off for it so it wont crash)), and they all came online. This is prior before Dennis even said a word to me, or started the roleplay, I just saw him behind me following.

After that you proceeded to tell them the location.

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[01:26:21] CMD -> Kenji_Gvardia (3) : /gm Leaft hollow FC

AFTER you told the location, you started talking about how they would have found you in RP. This clearly shows you all knew what was wrong in this situation. Especially the fact that all this happened after already sharing the core information is really low.

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[01:26:27] CMD -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /GM they with u?
[01:27:28] CMD -> Kenji_Gvardia (3) : /gm guys whats your reason would be how you found kenji
[01:27:38] CMD -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /gm dont worry about that
[01:27:40] CMD -> Sam_Gvardia (10) : /gm do /me presses on a button
[01:27:46] CMD -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /gm no
[01:27:46] CMD -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /gm no
[01:27:47] CMD -> Sam_Gvardia (10) : /gm without them seeing
[01:27:51] CMD -> Sam_Gvardia (10) : /gm or not
[01:28:09] CMD -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /gm where u at
[01:28:14] CMD -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /me turns on his GPS tracker on Kenji Gvardia
[01:28:15] CMD -> Kenji_Gvardia (3) : /gm they did frisk me
[01:28:21] CMD -> Sam_Gvardia (10) : /me switches his tracker on.
[01:28:22] CMD -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /gm just tell me
[01:29:45] CMD -> Kenji_Gvardia (3) : /gm he might shoot me now cuz u shoot him
[01:29:49] CMD -> Kenji_Gvardia (3) : /gm rush if possible

As you can see, you freely talked about several things while you were kidnapped. No one even tried to make it more RP, while everyone of you had the chance to do so.

Obviously you will say that what Cofiliano did was enough. Well, that MIGHT be enough to FIND a person, but it really is poor RP just to suit a certain win-mentality. Besides, such a "RP" does:..

What Cofiliano did WAS actually enough and I(We) will show you why, because you've missed an important roleplay that we all participated exactly because of situation like this in future(We did it once Jennifer Luciano got banned for similar thing)
Hence Cofiliano's reaction :

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[01:27:38] CMD -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /gm dont worry about that
[01:27:40] CMD -> Sam_Gvardia (10) : /gm do /me presses on a button
[01:27:46] CMD -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /gm no
[01:27:46] CMD -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /gm no
Isn't based on solo this:

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[01:28:14] CMD -> Cofiliano_Gvardia (15) : /me turns on his GPS tracker on Kenji Gvardia
Yet there's more to it. When Jennifer Luciano got banned, we did a massive roleplay, in which we've open'd a Research Lab in Bone County, and every member of Gvardia got a gps tracker chip bellow his Gvardia tattoo by the Scientiests and Doctors at the research Lab. It was a huge roleplay, and we've made a video of it, that's like 38gb big. Ivan Gvardia has the video, but his laptop burned out, and is trying to recover his hard drive, yet we're not sure he will manage to get it, anyway here's a picture from that roleplay
  and here's the date of that roleplay based on picture creation: January 07, 2016, 11:35:48 pm, so the logs can confirm this.

Hence with the gps tracker bellow my tattoo, all Cofiliano had to do, is turn it on, and track me(my body) down, that's why I was informing them of my location out of roleplay in a valid way, since they had a more then decent roleplay construction to do so.


So based on all of this, and based on me actually co-operation in the roleplay with Sopranos ( I didn't go Rambo like they usually do, yet I went on with their roleplay),


As for shooting, that's not something you should talk about with me, yet with the people who open'd fire.

All I can say is, that after Flint County, Gvardia went directly to Market AmmuNation, yet Sopranos were in a hurry to reach it before Gvardia, so they can camp inside like they do most of the time when ever they wanna start a shootout, even after Gvardia arrived, their associates were arriving one by one, entering Market AmmuNation, which is the proof that my kidnapping was Sopranos roleplay provocation toward Gvardia that they knew Gvardia will (and must react like every other criminal group) in a attack for the roleplay reasons.

and anyway if there was some lack of roleplay i  promise to fix that in the future..

[Kenji]

Can I get an answer? Since I posted all these informations that proves  that everything was done not only in a minimum need roleplay way, yet in a advanced roleplay way, and yet I'm still banned( as well as the rest of us, since their main guilt is that they didn't located me in a roleplayer manner(disregard for qualty RP), where in fact they actually did, as the infos I posted proves that)

the only mistake i did was me giving them my location over /gm before they do /me turns on his GPS tracker on Kenji Gvardia ( and in all the ways i was allowed to give them my location when they did turn on the gps on my location and they did come to me?)

and the shooting part when the rest of us did go to Market ammu and start shooting is because when our guys saw olti + mario runing with their infernus from the place that i was at plus dennis did the same thing when ge did go down to low hp they all run to market ammu to Re-arm their selves and in that case  its like they was ready and expected a shootout from our side  also the cars they was using on the kidnapping scane was parking outside market ammu so its obv that the same guys who kidnapped me are the ones who was there

and if you still see there was lack of roleplay and some mistakes on any part from this roleplay  i do repeat that im sorry  and i will be more careful on the future if unbanned

cheers.

[Mikro]

This whole ban is obviously not only on you. You all took part in it and did some unacceptable actions. Just stop with all the excuses and lame justifications. Very cool that you did a roleplay 6 months ago, does not excuse you at all from not RPing it now. A simple one sided "/me turns on his GPS tracker" cannot qualify as RP and is just a lame excuse to win.

You all are here trying to push the rules in favor of this win-attitude. Say whatever you want, what you did was unacceptable and a disregard for RP.

What was also not done is explain how they knew you were kidnapped. There was nothing RPed, they just came online and started asking questions about your location. On top of that: letting them know the location and pushing them to breach quicker.

If you can accept that you were in the wrong here, we can discuss a review date for your unban.

[Kenji]

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[Kenji]

wtf wait

[Kenji]

Hey please first of all remove the two post above because i failed while editing/adding stuff on them.

Say whatever you want, what you did was unacceptable and a disregard for RP.

Exactly, lets not say whatever we want, and use our words/opinoins as important,  lets stick to the facts and proofs. Both me(us) and you.

Are we talking about me, or everyon else? Since its my unban, lets talk about me first.

And lets stick to the facts.

I was banned basically because I wrote them my location via /gm. That's my crime, that's the reason I got banned. Such a mayor crime to get banned, its absurd, but okay, lets analise that for a moment:

-Did we(me telling them the location, and them using that information), had a roleplay base
on which I'm giving those informations out of roleplay? Yes, with my GSP chip under my tattoo, and them using the tracker to find me.

-Did I actually roleplayed injecting that chip under my tattoo? Yes, I did, and the fact it was 6 months ago is irrelevant, since the chip stays under your skin until the rest of your life, unless you roleplay cutting out that chip by another new surgery, or by some brutal ways like cutting it out with a knife by a enemy.

-Did Sopranos investigate me do I have a tracker on me? No they didn't, not in roleplay, nor did they ask me out of roleplay. So they went slapy and missed doing something that's extremely important for every kidnappers to do-make sure that any tracker (phones, gps of a car, gps chips etc) is destroyed or thrown out. Their own fault as professionals really.

-Did the boys who were searching for me, roleplayed turning the tracker on me? Yes they did, and they located me based on that

Spoiler for Hiden:

So, the fact is I told them my location in a roleplay based way.
 And the fact is they found me in a roleplay based way.

So please present  facts that confirms  that this ban is valid on me, with facts and proofs, not just your saying such as:

You all took part in it and did some unacceptable actions.

You all are here trying to push the rules in favor of this win-attitude.

Etc etc. I do not see any facts and proofs, only your opinion and personal judgment, with all do respect.

So can you provide facts to base those words, because Im still confused on why was I banned, since everything I done was roleplayed out?

If you can accept that you were in the wrong here, we can discuss a review date for your unban.

This is like: Accept that the Earth is flat, or die..

Its either Me(and the rest of us) accept these as valid bans(even tho they are completely invalid as proven above), or stay banned.

Pushy, threatening, leaving no choice, and yet not providing facts on which I'm being condemn.

Another thing that makes this ban invalid:
These wouldn't be valid bans on the most serious roleplay servers in SAMP history. And everyone playing on them will confirm this to you. Argonath isn't a a serious roleplay server, its not even a medium roleplaying server, yet its still on a path to reach that medium level.

Well, we roleplayed on a medium level here in this case, and got bans for it. What kind of policy is that?

90 percent of the server(including FBI) wont  even be annoyed to roleplay all these chips injections, gps tracking etc, yet would just /area them and go for it. Yet we, who are the rare indivudals who actually give a damn about it, and have made a roleplay base for it, got banned.

And another thing to add, that makes the bans invalid: Even if we didn't roleplay tracking down the location,  metagaming is still allowed on Argonath, the last time I've checked the rules, and asked admins. If you change policy on these situations, you must inform all the players of it, not just start banning people for it. Because this would fall under being guilty for metagaming, a typical example of it.


It looks like you're just trying to grab on what ever there is to be grabbed on, even tho everything says that these bans are invalid, just to prove a point or something.

Don't really understand the whole attitude and approach, but I hope you'll be objective and reasonable enough, in explaining the validy of this(these) ban/s, yet if you can't, I really expect to be unbanned, since people who didn't break the rules shouldn't be banned.

[Mikro]

I have already explained more than enough regarding your actions. For you this would have been a rather simple request, as you did not took part in the DM. In earlier posts you admitted some of the mistakes, but now you have changed that view once again.

Earlier this day you posted something regarding that you understand and you accept it. Now you removed that and posted this reply that is not even fully written by yourself. You are not even coming up for yourself, but let someone else dominate what you should think. At pressure of the other banned group members, you have made this request only worse for yourself.

Denied till you can write an unban request yourself and accept your wrongdoings.