What killed SA:MP Argonath RPG?

[Huntsman]

suddenly purists woke up from their retarded 'rp it' dream  and started realizing some people actually want scripts, scripts got introduced and it caused the missing playerbase to be filled with retards doing nothing but farming scripts

I always hoped that the RageMP GTA V Argonath server will revive Argonath, but it doesn't seem to be doing as well as was expected. Which is a shame, because the community there is ten times better than what SAMP had.

First of all; your activity in both V and SAMP was never enough to judge whether the environment or the overall activity standard was appropriate or not. Your opinion's root starts from this very forum, so there goes your endless and rather carping commentary about the said servers state.

Aren't you bored of beating a dead horse? I swear to God I've counted limitless posts of you bitching about SAMP in general since very late 2015 as if you are some sort BGT judge that is required to comment about each and every move SAMP has provided. Enough. We get it, VCMP is your dream platform and I'm pretty sure most of other SAMPers are glad it is.

For your information, the old but gold generation of Argonath SAMP was near damn perfect. Proper scripts for the specific period of time -including the low demands of the actual playerlist of the time- and a very friendly environment overall. Whether your thick mind gets it or not, SAMP was the core of the community, and for the right reasons. You might as well wash your mouth before constantly bringing up the latest state of the SAMP server as a bad example for the rest of the community.

This other server is currently shining in activity and let me tell you that 90% of the players currently active there are purely Argonathians. That by itself is enough to prove that your "SAMP is shit" argument has really grown old. We've all turned SAMP into a shithole, you are included, too. We've all been pointing fingers left and right as well as going the extra mile to prove that we're right and the opposite side is false.

Last but not least, stop acting like a genius that you think you are and move on with your life and VCMP career. Your excessive overbearing remarks and constant hatred towards any sort of SAMP outcome is also a part of SAMP's general downfall and has become extremely sickening. Go arrest some smugglers or something. Oh and yeah, you have the option to return to the scene after dying on the ship over and over and over and over again. How amusing?! Fits your must-win, truly arrogant, White-Knightish front just fine.

We all can agree to disagree on what killed the server and what could have been done to prevent it, but there's one thing that I think most of us can agree on - Most of us legitimately tried to do what we could, and that's all that matters in the end.

That's a fair point.

Seriously? And then you have the audacity to judge my judgement of the current state of things when you spit delusional nonsense like that?

1) I joined SAMP during the end of the RS3 era and for the absolute majority of my ten year stay here, I spent it in SAMP. I'm just in as much of a position to judge what's currently going on just as you are, maybe even more so. Ofcourse I'm no longer active in SAMP: the only instance I enjoy playing with myself is if it involves my right hand. Meanwhile, I'm active on RAGE:MP and VCMP on daily basis.
2) If someone would've actually listened to the "people bitching", perhaps things wouldn't be as they are now. The players opinion was constantly written off as bullshit, and look how far this elitist behaviour has gotten the community.
3) Again, I was there during the prime time and was there during the downfall, which is why I allow myself to comment on how things are and why they are like they are.
4) Ah yes, that other server. Was there too, tried that out. The fact that you even to dare to compare that other server to what Argonath SAMP was in its prime time shows just how much you know what you're talking about yourself.
5) Are you fucking serious right now? Cops returning after death was always part of the Argonath vision and was always allowed in SAMP until LSRP rejects took over when things started to grow grim and decided it's no longer allowed. Are you even capable of grasping the irony of bashing a part of the community that enforces the same vision regarding this subject that SAMP has as well for the absolute majority of its existence? Get the fuck outta here.

Now crawl back to the "other server" where "STOP OR I SHOOT" RP is somehow considered a spiritual successor.

And yeah:

You do realize that the majority of active so called "Argonathians" over there are the main force behind the downfall of SA:MP Argonath, right? Allowing some of them to come back mid-last year was the final nail to the coffin. Be a pig and play in the mud, but do not claim false loyalty on their behalf.

^ Pretty much sums it up.

A circle jerk of rejects who either didn't get their way here or the positions they wanted, or even got community banned, so they decided to create a copycat community for themselves.  Amusing.
All of these people playing there are essentially traitors who decided to take the easy way out. And yet, you have the fucking gutts to come here and call me out? I atleast still fucking play here, you decided to turncoat. So shut the fuck up.

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Now that that's said,

The way I see it, RAGE:MP is currently a chance to revive the community. Yet, most of the time the player count fluctuates from 10 to 15 during the day and increase to 20 - 25 during evening - night time, which is still not quite enough for a map of the size. In addition, a lot of these players just AFK most of the time to farm the scripted automatic paydays or grind the fireman script. And that's understandable, because none of the groups, except for Araatus, that were prominent back in the active days of SAMP, have moved to RAGE:MP despite the anticipation that the server's release had.

So my suggestion is: it's time to move on and hop onto RAGE:MP with a fresh start.

[TheGreasyChopper]

And since you give me the " " bullshit as if you are actually very much true and honest about the matter, why don't we just mention your witchhunting situation couple of months ago with Bas, when the server was actually showing signs of life?

I was not witchhunting, I simply pointed out a flawed group system, which in the end was not fixed. Bas was well aware that the group system was broken and I was trying to resolve it and make it so things are done by the written rules. Me and Bas were never on bad terms and never had any beef between eachother. Before you jump on the "hurr Greasy was mad cuz he was kicked from admin team hurr durr xDDDD", I'd suggest you familiarize yourself with what actually happened. My honest belief is that he just did not want to bother fixing it at that point. If by "signs of life" you refer to people coming back and then being given back positions from which they were removed due to incompetence, yes - indeed the life was back alright.

In my past as an administrator I've always enforced the rules as they are written. Seeing groups with beyond subpar roleplay getting recognized by the server HQ and rulebreakers intentionally being let go for the sake of a playerbase lead me to speaking out(as I was no longer part of the administration, I was powerless to change any of it). Also, I would not call an increased playerbase a "sign of life". As I've mentioned before, sure there were players In Game, but there was no activity. No roleplay, no interactions, no incentive to play(I mean, what would be my incentive to play when people got shit for free without any effort by magically returning?)

If you take off your toxic pair of very much convenient glasses you'll eventually see that a very decent amount of great Argonath RPers all reside in the mud at this very moment.

That's the thing, the "decent RP" thing everyone keeps mentioning. The make-belief Frank Hawks and other imposters, unbelievably shitty administration that in most occasions punishes the victim rather than the rulebreaker(I've got at least 5 or 6 cases of that on record), handhold grind mentality, disgusting overmapping and whatnot. I've said it many times. You are either a RP server or not. Last I checked they preached the "Light RP" thing, which basically means "RP or not, up to you".

Sure, there might be decent people in there. I myself go there when I wish to troll around and deathmatch. But that "very decent amount of great Argonath RPers" is mainly the reason I refuse to move there and waste my time on something I do not enjoy.

Your lack of information and this very false accusation is actually very much triggering, taking into account you've known me for a decent amount of time.

Just because I disagree does not mean I am misinformed. If those "Argonathians" as you call them were indeed Argonathians, they would've stuck around and did something for Argonath, instead of jump ship at first opportunity. How many of those "decent Argonathians" are active on Argonath(SA:MP)? Let me answer that for you - 0. The playerbase is 0. So do not pat yourself on your back at how loyal you are to Argonath, it's disgusting.

Right as this post is being made, a brand new VMP group merge is taking place for the sake of improving the new server and possibly influence the environment there as a whole.

This is a topic about SA:MP. I could not care less for V:MP at this point, as the stability of the client itself as well as the lack of any roleplay on the server do not in any way spark my interest to spend my free time on it.

can't see you 2 very active in argo 

And 3 or 4 months later, I am yet to see any screenshots of that glorious roleplay you kept mentioning or any evidence of your previous claims. So go back to playing with your urdu speaking Ballas, please 

[Andeey]

Sing along with me!

[jesse]

It was me! My bad lads, please forgive

[Sawyer]

I'll respect your right in defending yourself despite not being rather true at least from my own perspective; benefit of the doubt pretty much applies to everyone.

Although....

Now crawl back to the "other server" where "STOP OR I SHOOT" RP is somehow considered a spiritual successor.
I atleast still fucking play here, you decided to turncoat. So shut the fuck up.

This is fucking false. It feels like you are in a desperate need of proving me wrong by coming up with disgusting assumptions like this one.

Uh oh, by the way, since you claim yourself to be a true VCMPer and as you clearly stated that you have given up on the shithole that SAMP has turned to for years now, why bother to constantly drag yourself into this toxic environment? After all that's the reason you've stopped playing yourself, right?

If you take a look at each and every SAMP topic made regarding the state of the server, you are always there to share your opinion, even though you haven't logged in for more than a half hour for at least 5 years now. That by itself is enough to know that your opinion is based of from forum discussions and not any other sort of communication with an active and healthy caring part of the server or by in-game experience for that matter.

The fact that you have an account registered since whatever your first registration was does not give you any sort of 'SAMP Veteran' right that you consider yourself to be. You are nothing more than a gardener that tries to participate in a discussion about rocket science. And yes, even if you ask me personally, I myself cannot be dead certain of what things went so wrong since there are tons of facts that are hidden beneath the table. Nobody but few individuals are well aware of what has been the only issue that has drastically turned Argonath SA:MP into a ghost town. What really matters in the end is that those who are left and still care do whatever's possible to keep the server somewhat alive. Or... nothing at all; at the very least do not come out each and every fucking time and play the "IT'S THEIR FAULT" game, simply judging by topics like this one. It has become extremely predictable.


In all honesty, I expected nothing else than this response and I've already shared my opinion about you, maybe not in the fairest way of them all, but still.. your arrogant and know-it-all behavior is WAY too evident for me to add anything else.

Fits your must-win, truly arrogant, White-Knightish front just fine..

I've officially now made my own peace with eternal immunity towards your future counter-arguments about any possible matter or any other sort of inaccurate statement of yours. I never got to know you that well and I've witnessed your personality as much as the forums allowed me to do, but you truly seem like an insult to common sense.

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I feel like we're on such terms that we both are able to take this in private. This argument of ours does not belong here.

[Huntsman]

Uh oh, by the way, since you claim yourself to be a true VCMPer and as you clearly stated that you have given up on the shithole that SAMP has turned to for years now, why bother to constantly drag yourself into this toxic environment? After all that's the reason you've stopped playing yourself, right?

Seriously, can you stop putting words into my mouth?
Yes, VCMP always had a special place in my heart and I do prefer it over SAMP, but I never hated SAMP. As I already told you, I no-lifed SAMP from 2009 to 2015 and I enjoyed the server. The discontent I later expressed was based on what it has become, not what it was or what it was meant to be.

If you take a look at each and every SAMP topic made regarding the state of the server, you are always there to share your opinion, even though you haven't logged in for more than a half hour for at least 5 years now. That by itself is enough to know that your opinion is based of from forum discussions and not any other sort of communication with an active and healthy caring part of the server or by in-game experience for that matter.

I was logged in, more than once, and more than half an hour. It was rather enough to make an observation on what it used to be and what it is now. Doesn't take twenty hours a week to realize the server is dead. And anyone who says that 15 players average compared to what it used to be is "active" is simply lying to themselves.

The fact that you have an account registered since whatever your first registration was does not give you any sort of 'SAMP Veteran' right that you consider yourself to be. You are nothing more than a gardener that tries to participate in a discussion about rocket science. And yes, even if you ask me personally, I myself cannot be dead certain of what things went so wrong since there are tons of facts that are hidden beneath the table. Nobody but few individuals are well aware of what has been the only issue that has drastically turned Argonath SA:MP into a ghost town. What really matters in the end is that those who are left and still care do whatever's possible to keep the server somewhat alive. Or... nothing at all; at the very least do not come out each and every fucking time and play the "IT'S THEIR FAULT" game, simply judging by topics like this one. It has become extremely predictable.

I played the server since RS3, and by played I mean I used to be online for like six - seven hours daily, and only stopped playing when things went downhill around 2015. How the fuck does that not make me a veteran?

In all honesty, I expected nothing else than this response and I've already shared my opinion about you, maybe not in the fairest way of them all, but still.. your arrogant and know-it-all behavior is WAY too evident for me to add anything else.

Just because you choose to sugar-coat everything doesn't make you any better of a person, nor does it make your opinion any more valid than mine.

Fits your must-win, truly arrogant, White-Knightish front just fine..

Yeah, exactly. You know me sooo well.
Who the fuck are you again?

I've officially now made my own peace with eternal immunity towards your future counter-arguments about any possible matter or any other sort of inaccurate statement of yours. I never got to know you that well and I've witnessed your personality as much as the forums allowed me to do, but you truly seem like an insult to common sense.

And then he calls me arrogant.

[Jcstodds]

Hi all, we are going to have quite a few players joining the community since GTA V is free this past week.

This kind of topic is going to be the first thing they see as it's flooding the recent posts and might send out the wrong message to new members of the community.

I'm not trying to dismiss this topics discussion, but it would be amazing if everyone here could use that energy in a positive way to promote Argonath as a community. With that in mind... would it be a good idea to lock this topic temporarily?

[My_Name_Is_Lan]

artus farkus in d house

[Sawyer]

Yes, VCMP always had a special place in my heart and I do prefer it over SAMP, but I never hated SAMP.

ok bud

Spoiler for Hiden:

Which is a shame, because the community there is ten times better than what SAMP had.

VC:MP's still going strong. 15-22 players daily, so hop in if you want to play an active Argo server 

While the other servers might be struggling, we're still going strong as always, so consider paying us a visit and stop playing with yourself 

"SA:MP General / Re: [SA:MP] What's the reason for your inactivity?"
"3) The whining culture that was in SAMP ever since its beginning. Sorry. Even Aragorn said it himself once"

As much as it saddens me to say this, SA:MP's future is rather clear. Having paid a visit there recently, the conclusion that at this point it's pretty much on life support by the very few players that still play it.

The server died because people who knew how to keep it alive left.

"Speakerbox / Re: Is this community still alive ?"
"SA:MP is well.. On life support I guess.
VC:MP is still active"

And needless to say, it must no longer be so SAMP centered as it used to be.

SA:MP is pretty much already dead.
VC:MP is still going strong because it has a much more dedicated, strong and united community that's been rock solid since 2008.

Oh yes, the elitist clans you'd have to join to get any significant position anywhere 

I am afraid the SA:MP section of this community has crossed the point of no return, sadly.

"Archive / Re: Intoducing: RS 5.3 (and 5.4)"
"As a further point to reinforce my claim, Jeremy would have been booted off these forums long ago under the RS4 HQ. I mean no offense to anyone, but Devin himself was quite a fucking ass."

I had played Argonath RPG in VC:MP on a friends computer like two years back before I discovered SAMP.

(SA:MP veteran btw  )

Either way, face the fact. This is the first time it happened. Sure, SAMP used to have activity problems at times, but never to this extent. Never to the point like this.  And no, it is not that the "mod is 12 years old". VC:MP is about the same age and still kicking, and people don't seem to get tired of it anytime soon. In fact, it seems that the older it gets, the more people join our community. As I repeated time over time - it is the SA:MP community that can be really unbearable that probably motivates people to leave.

And that's only a sample of your constant hatred and shittalk for at least two proven years. The list goes on however this is way too time consuming for me to bother any longer.

but I never hated SAMP.

I never hated SAMP.

 

[Huntsman]

> compiles a list of recent posts about the current states of the server.
> uses it as an argument that I "always hated and shat on samp".

I already told you, I hate what the server has become, not what it was when I actively played it nor what it was meant to be. You've proven nothing with the post.

Though I must admit, the fact that you've dedicated your precious time compile a list of out of context quotes amuses and flatters me. Couldnt've that time be spent better playing in a treacherous server you love so much, no? Instead of defending a server in a community you've abandoned? 

Stop throwing shit in other people's faces when you're so full of it yourself that you couldn't climb out if there was a crane to pull you out.

[Sawyer]

Though I must admit, the fact that you've dedicated your precious time compile a list of out of context quotes amuses and flatters me.

What amuses me is that you still think that you are not a living Argonath meme yourself. Get the fuck out of the SA:MP section and stay in your lane. The ping pong paddle is now off the table and you are no longer able to go back and forth as if you are a tiny precious little ball.

You don't belong in this section of the forums.

[Huntsman]

Though I must admit, the fact that you've dedicated your precious time compile a list of out of context quotes amuses and flatters me.

What amuses me is that you still think that you are not a living Argonath meme yourself. Get the fuck out of the SA:MP section and stay in your lane. The ping pong paddle is now off the table and you are no longer able to go back and forth as if you are a tiny precious little ball.

You don't belong in this section of the forums.

Ain't your place to tell me what to do and where to go, my friend.

[Khm]

This is why SA:MP isn't going forward, locked.