Disgusting, Lack of Respect for Developers

[Trobby888]

Speaking of experiences, it is unfortunate that most players (Obviously there would be exceptions, and I'm not giving a statistical number as it would not be accurate) on the server have only experienced the theme of cops and criminals. To make matters worse, these close minded players will spread only this influence on the new players resulting in a server consisting only of players who think about criminal or cop role play. As such, these people have only ever role played doing a crime or role played doing something such as chasing or interrogating a criminal. In doing so, the players want to perfect the scenes that they ever face and never experience problems - problems which may include criminals escaping in a bike, criminals get killed "unfairly", cops get too much script support etc.  As a result, players "moan" to developers to change the environment of the server to suit these needs.

Unfortunately, players are unaware that nothing is perfect in this world, and that such demands can never be met. This is clearly reflected on the increasing moaning from players after developers adjusted the server environment to solve the minor problems. An example of this was when the bikes and bicycles were removed from the server to suit the cop's "needs", criminals began to moan about disadvantages. All this also tells us that if we change a feature to stop one group from moaning, another group will start complaining. If this feature changes once again, then another group will start moaning again. As a result, we now get a moaning cycle, one which never has an end.

How do we solve this? Well, first of all, players should be aware of the damage that they are causing when they moan about a problem. They need to be aware that by doing so, they only make the developers fix their problems and to cancel their work on new solutions. If this isn't possible (which it doesn't seem to be now), then the developers will have to cope with all the complaining caused by the players.

As such, I would also like to commend David for his awareness of the true problem in the server and has developed solutions that will introduce much more interesting themes for the players to enjoy than just the boring cops V criminals. The fire missions are a stepping stone to widen the scope of role playing within the community.

 :ps: Sorry to say but JDC, Pandalink and all other people who are arguing about the cops criminals thingy, stop it. I don't care who started the argument. It needs to end now before it makes others think that moaning is the correct thing to do.

[Stanley_Taylor]

Not able to place myself in the shoes of others?

I'm sorry but I laughed out loud at that statement of yours. I have also experienced life as a Criminal, since I did crimes on my UC Account in order to study them (it was in one of those incidents as well where I learned that hitting a moving car in a pursuit with melee attacks would do a better job than shooting it from on top, since I shook off 2 Freecops and 1 Cadet from the roof of my car, all of who failed to stop me by shooting with their guns, only to have my car blown up by a lone Freecop who used melee attacks), so you can stop your "JDC, you're a one-sided biased moaner" bullshit now.

Wow you played a few hours as a criminal. Now you've really put me in my place JDC.  Fact of the matter is that you don't have a clue what's on the minds of the criminals. You don't listen to them and call every single one of them a moaner.

We have people going around pointing at and ranting about how utterly unfair and hard the system is for Criminals, when it in fact is a lot easier for them as opposed to the RS3 scripts

Again...not a clue what's going on. Everybody agrees with you here.

(every day, we have about a dozen Criminals escaping and dozens of Cop deaths, which would not happen if Cops really had a vastly superior advantage)

The cops wont ever be Robocops so get over it.

not to mention others who emphasize Cop Advantages instead of trying to search for more Criminal Advantages (they could choose to plan their escape routes and make up backup plans for in case something goes wrong so the Cops won't catch them, but instead they run headlong into the cops chasing them and get obliterated as a result, then moan about it), so I call them moaners for a good reason.

This doesn't make sense at all does it?! Make a few sentences with good grammar, please.

I understand that everyone has their own beliefs, so I think twice before every post I make regarding a sensitive subject.

Perhaps you shouldn't think at all and never post on the forums again.

If you continue to throw such bullshit at me in a close-minded manner, it would be your problem, not mine.

You don't have to reply to my comments...So you never answered my question: Do you moan to the leaders about the new changes?

[JDC]

Wow you played a few hours as a criminal. Now you've really put me in my place JDC.  Fact of the matter is that you don't have a clue what's on the minds of the criminals. You don't listen to them and call every single one of them a moaner.

Never have I said that every single Criminal is a moaner.

This doesn't make sense at all does it?! Make a few sentences with good grammar, please.

"They emphasize Cop Advantages instead of seeking Criminal Advantages, for example, they can plan out their crimes to the last detail and many many escape routes and backup plans, but instead most of them run headlong into Cops chasing them, thus getting obliterated. The worst part is they moan about it."

Perhaps you shouldn't think at all and never post on the forums again.

I will continue posting regardless of who likes it or not. At least I base my posts on evidence and actual events as opposed to certain people in the Politics and Religion board.

You don't have to reply to my comments...So you never answered my question: Do you moan to the leaders about the new changes?

I don't. I don't stoop to levels that low.

If the Developers made these changes, I know that they were done to benefit the Server and the Community.

[EliteTerm]

From my years as one of the most known mobsters from both MTA:VC and SA:MP, I have never seen any issues with cops/ criminals.

Infact, I've noticed that criminals kill more cops in a firefight than cops killing criminals. This is why we have "Cops can return after death", otherwise EVERY single cop is dead and cannot go after criminals. If you add "Criminals return after death", then Argonath RPG has just turned into a full blown "Cops N Robbers" server.

The reason why they added weapons equip for FBI and SWAT because they do not have a massive underground weapons black market that criminals strive on.

One thing that's pissing me off on the criminal side is that when they complain about cops having advantage over criminals. In my view criminals has the  upper hand in a firefight against cops, but it is evened out with the cops' ability to return. Just be glad because this situation could've been worse.
Post Merge: March 29, 2010, 03:19:04 pmAnd one thing that's also pissing me off is that several criminals doesn't see how much the police side has to endure from the constant barrage of complaints from the criminals, which explains the anger displayed by CBFasi recently.

"Restrictions on this, that, demand to ask for surrender before shooting, don't abuse weapons equip, don't use the goddamn Hunters/ Hydras!!1one! etc", and god knows how many rules that overlapped each other that created confusion for everyone, whereas criminals has far less restrictions. For the love of god, stop whining how much ammo for a 9mm you lost. It's your fault that you didn't surrender on time, it's your fault that you committed these crimes in the first place. Once you go criminal, you have to risk EVERYTHING you have put yourself into: Drugs, weapons, money. Committing crimes that you are fully aware of the risks behind it means you have big cojones.

I nearly fell into this mess between cops and criminals argument before my transfer of administration rights, and now I've seen what both sides has to deal with every single day. Don't criticize me for not showing my criminal self lately because I've been busy, along with several other administrators in preventing both sides' shit from hitting the fan.

Now this is the reason behind the whole goddamn mess about freecops because MANY people expects the new players to learn the complex rules in order to play as a cop effectively, criticizing them for not doing it right and screaming abuse instead of helping them get through.

You don't know how lucky you criminals are. Please don't get offended by my statement, as like all others, I am just stating my opinions.

[Stanley_Taylor]

From my years as one of the most known mobsters from both MTA:VC and SA:MP, I have never seen any issues with cops/ criminals.

Infact, I've noticed that criminals kill more cops in a firefight than cops killing criminals. This is why we have "Cops can return after death", otherwise EVERY single cop is dead and cannot go after criminals. If you add "Criminals return after death", then Argonath RPG has just turned into a full blown "Cops N Robbers" server.

The reason why they added weapons equip for FBI and SWAT because they do not have a massive underground weapons black market that criminals strive on.

One thing that's pissing me off on the criminal side is that when they complain about cops having advantage over criminals. In my view criminals has the  upper hand in a firefight against cops, but it is evened out with the cops' ability to return. Just be glad because this situation could've been worse.
Post Merge: March 29, 2010, 03:19:04 pmAnd one thing that's also pissing me off is that several criminals doesn't see how much the police side has to endure from the constant barrage of complaints from the criminals, which explains the anger displayed by CBFasi recently.

"Restrictions on this, that, demand to ask for surrender before shooting, don't abuse weapons equip, don't use the goddamn Hunters/ Hydras!!1one! etc", and god knows how many rules that overlapped each other that created confusion for everyone, whereas criminals has far less restrictions. For the love of god, stop whining how much ammo for a 9mm you lost. It's your fault that you didn't surrender on time, it's your fault that you committed these crimes in the first place. Once you go criminal, you have to risk EVERYTHING you have put yourself into: Drugs, weapons, money. Committing crimes that you are fully aware of the risks behind it means you have big cojones.

I nearly fell into this mess between cops and criminals argument before my transfer of administration rights, and now I've seen what both sides has to deal with every single day. Don't criticize me for not showing my criminal self lately because I've been busy, along with several other administrators in preventing both sides' shit from hitting the fan.

Now this is the reason behind the whole goddamn mess about freecops because MANY people expects the new players to learn the complex rules in order to play as a cop effectively, criticizing them for not doing it right and screaming abuse instead of helping them get through.

You don't know how lucky you criminals are. Please don't get offended by my statement, as like all others, I am just stating my opinions.

There are rules to keep order. Cops have rules so they don't abuse their powers. It's the responsibility of the SAPD to make sure this kind of abuse repeat itself when it occurs. Criminals have a rule too: /gu when you think you are abused. There are a lot of criminals who don't /gu then and they complain. Well then it's moaning. Also they usually have a bigger mouth when they do not /gu. But as soon as they /gu, you don't think that's moaning, right?

[Pandalink]

All I have to say about firefights (which is not something I usually make a point of doing) is that just because criminals are better than cops, does not mean they should be handicapped.

Anyway, I have no quarrels with the return rule or anything combat related (aside from hydra usage against ground criminals).

I can see that some criminals scripts are "in the pipeline" as it were, and I for one praise any developer who actually does this for us. Hooray!