Forcing players into animation during combat

[Kitsune]

Are players allowed to use commands such as /tickle or /trip during combat to paralyze to enemy player rendering him or her completely vulnerable to any form of attack? I ask this because I saw a situation for which I see as command abuse but, I do not know if there is a rule on it or not. However, i did ask an admin and he said that it is not allowed:

Player1 and Player2 are fighting.
Player2 uses trip on Player1.
Player1 tries to get out of animation but cannot even with mashing all the keys including TAB and FIRE.
Player2 shoots at paralyzed Player1 till he eventually dies.

In my opinion it is abuse becuase:

1. Tickling during combat is totally unrealistic, you don't walk up to someone holding a gun in your face, tickle them, then shoot them to death.
2. Tripping although can happen IRL, happens virtually never in the context of this game usually being cop and suspect situation.
3. This gives too much of an unfair advantage to the tripper, it is like freezing a player except it is for a shorter length and the victim is actually vulnerable to attack.

[JJ]

yeah ive been victim of such a situation...

[Jaaskaa]

If it's during a fight to give you an advantage, that's poor and only show that you're weak. You already gave a good example of how it happen and how unrealistic

If it's for a roleplay, in example a mafia guy who trip another mafiosi and kick him only one or two time just to intimidate, I guess that is still okay.

If you go around, trip someone in an alley and rob him, I guess that is still acceptable

But if you're a cop and that you trip a criminal because he is fighting with you ... That's just too weird.

And tickling someone in a fight ... the  :trust: what ? ... Never saw a fight where one guy begin to tickle the other when they are punching ....

So yeah nice topic !

[Kitsune]

Considering what you are saying and considering that virtually all fights that happen are cops versus suspects, a check could be added so that citizens cannot trip/tickle cops and cops cannot trip/tickle citizens.

BTW, I say "citizens cannot trip/tickle cops" instead of "suspects cannot trip/tickle cops" as people do not do that in real life and if someone did that to a cop, there is a chance that he might cease the opportunity and kill the cop by stomp or other, thus deathmatching. 

Any other circumstances such as a citizen versus citizen fight where by someone uses trip or tickle should be reported to admin. I actually thought of an idea that might help this problem:

If a player tickles or trips another player, the victim becomes "untouchable" (Do not take this as invulnerable, just read on and you'll see what I mean). The only way for the victim to have to the "untouchable" status removed is by somehow canceling the animation (mashing the keyboard or what not). During this time, if any player attacks the "untouchable" victim, that player gets frozen (proper frozen so no one can attack him/her) for about 5 seconds, gets warned and gets a pm such as "It is forbbiden to trip or tickle a player during combat."

[Gandalf]

First of all let me say that there is a distance limit on both trip and tickle. You must be at close range to use these commands.
If someone manages to run close enough and trip or tickle someone without getting shot I find it hard to believe.
It might be possible using illegal help, but that is to be punished as rule breaking.
When the command is abused, try to attract attention of the admins, although the situation is almost impossible to rule without seeing.

If the commands will be abused a lot, the only way is to remove them at all...

[Kitsune]

If someone manages to run close enough and trip or tickle someone without getting shot I find it hard to believe.

I have had numerous instances where I and a suspect were within tripping/tickling range, especially when using the baton which is quite frequent.

Would it not be simple to make citizens cannot tickle/trip cops and vise versa? I can understand the RP of tickle/trip for citizen and citizen but, what kind of RP situation involves tickle/trip between cop and citizen? I cannot think of any...

[Watahell]

If someone manages to run close enough and trip or tickle someone without getting shot I find it hard to believe.

That's easy, specially when the shooter uses a gun with low fire rate, and if the tickler lags. Very easy.

[Jaaskaa]

Yeah in fact ... and those anims, well, they aren't really useful ... I mean ... If I wanna laugh, I'll laugh by myself ... If I wanna lay down, I'll do it by myself ... Trip is a bit like : 1 punch and the guy is ko on the ground ... Sorry but that is almost impossible ...