Liberty City Police Department - Suggestions

[SugarD]

We have done this several times, they refuse to co-operate and follow orders. They mostly go on duty so that they can kill players or more like have an authority over everyone.

If you try to help them and they purposely refuse, report them to admins.

[Arthur]

If you try to help them and they purposely refuse, report them to admins.

This is what I am talking about, if they get reported, they will either get copbanned or tempbanned. However, it would be unfair to allow them to have such power since they misuse it unintentionally, a newcomer is given free weapons, you will surely expect a mass deathmatching or a kind of abuse. But, if the passport policy is applied, newcomers will have a better view of what the server is about and respect its rules.

[SugarD]

This is what I am talking about, if they get reported, they will either get copbanned or tempbanned. However, it would be unfair to allow them to have such power since they misuse it unintentionally, a newcomer is given free weapons, you will surely expect a mass deathmatching or a kind of abuse. But, if the passport policy is applied, newcomers will have a better view of what the server is about and respect its rules.

That wouldn't give them a better view of the server in this particular case, as nothing is explained to them regarding the duty. What they need is something that directly teaches them how the duty itself works, regardless of how long they have been here for. Even if they understand that deathmatching isn't allowed, the general consensus for users in the GTA world is that cops kill suspects, and "that's the main way to roleplay the job". If you hand them weapons and expect them to roleplay it out, they will automatically assume that anyone they think is committing a crime should be killed...(which is a very common claim among new players on Police Duty in Argo, and has been for years).

[Younes]

This is what I am talking about, if they get reported, they will either get copbanned or tempbanned. However, it would be unfair to allow them to have such power since they misuse it unintentionally, a newcomer is given free weapons, you will surely expect a mass deathmatching or a kind of abuse. But, if the passport policy is applied, newcomers will have a better view of what the server is about and respect its rules.

That won't really help.. I, when I joined MTA:SA first time, and found that being a cop needs passport.. I kinda found it a useless way to do that and I kept searching for the reason behind that. Applying this rule won't really tell them to roleplay, unless they pass a test of being a cop during the Passport examination which won't and can't happen. They need to be taught, either the bad or the good way. Some players learn from their mistakes, and actually most of them.. It is right that some doesn't, but this doesn't mean that we should strict the police duty job just for a low percentage.
 
Instead, I suggest to add a test, to be done by a script when joining Duty. A test that contains rules, roleplay, and the duty's most important rules that has effects if are not read. Also, I think that LCPD staff themselves should do their best to help them, and even to use power when they refuse (for roleplay reasons of course, such as drug dealing while in duty, and/or using force unpropperly, reckless driving..etc). And for the rules matter, administration is actually online to handle this. When I was a new player, I did some mistakes same as the newplayers, and we actually all did. But how did we learn to not do this? Because we have been punished (most of us were) for our mistakes and we've learnt from them, and we have been taught by the regular players.
This is the propper and the only way to actually fix a problem like that. Which is keeping it as  it is but just adding the examination script (for the new comers, who didn't pass it yet. After passing it, they shouldn't do it again, unless they're copbanned). And trying to help those players.

[skillz]

I support this, I think it will resolve the issues to Players who have a passport and have knowledge of the rules and some knowledge how the LCPD System works and help with their experiences. But on the LCPD side we should be able to monitor and have authorities on players who mislead in the force on the Cop ban issue, as it is part of our Department to supervise lower ranked members as sometimes they do repeat these offences many times and not listen to LCPD Members of staff, at times there is no A-team or Moderators available, but it should be our responsibility as LCPD Staff to enforce cop ban.

[Vitorrio]

Aye mates,

The name of the topic speaks about itself, yea I am going to suggest some subjects related to LCPD.

First of all, Alderny prison is a huge place which we can jail the top wanted suspects in, not only that, but it's gonna be kind of different from the other normal prisons at any police station, suspects are usually jailed for approximately 20-30 seconds or even more a little bit, it's not a big deal for a top wanted suspect, though. What I am trying to say is, Alderny prison will be a great addition, if it is scripted however, it is not going to be for normal suspects who commit minor crimes. Alderny prison would be for the top wanted suspects, the more dangerous and wanted the suspect is, the more period of jail time should be issued, they can be jailed for 200 seconds due to the major crimes they have committed. Additionally, it would increase role-playing among police officers and suspects, meaning that, it's a win-win situation. Lastly regarding this suggestion, I would like to clear some points out. The reason for this suggestion, is that we are looking for the most possible ways to present a proper and enjoyable role-play for everyone, we are not looking for benefits for Officers.

Secondly, this was discussed and suggested many times by my fellow Officers, but I insist on suggesting it over and over because I am sure that it would be for the server's advantage. I am fully aware that Argonath's vision states that being a cop is for everyone and does not apply any rules nor requirements to become a cop. But, when this right gets enormously abused, we will have to do something about it. As most of you know, new comers are always enthusiastic about being cops and killing everyone goes on their way, I strongly appreciate the role of our A-team and their great efforts in preventing them from causing mass deathmatching. In my point of view, it's unfair for us and them, for us; because always some or most of them assault us for no reason, ruin our role-plays, misuse their rights and powers, for them; because you do give them the freedom of being cops but you are fully aware that they would do something that either get them copbanned or tempbanned or banned from the server. My question is, what is the point of this policy as long as they are going to get punished due to their mistakes?! It is like giving someone a power then taking it back. I strongly suggest not allowing newcomers to join the duty unless they have obtained passport, by applying this policy, you are gonna save them from getting any punishment as they would realize what the server is about and how to follow the rules, you are gonna save us as well from their misusing and law breaking. As far as I know, this rule was applied a few years ago and it must have achieved great results.

Thirdly and lastly, as all of you know that freecops aren't lead by LCPD management and they do whatever they feel like doing, which makes a chaos. I suggest electing a Commissioner for LCPD, who looks after us, listens to the Chief's suggestions to help improve the department and must be:

• Able to make correct decisions, and has the enough experience as a law enforcer.
• Clean from any criminal record.
• Active.

Not only that, but I also strongly suggest making freecops a part of LCPD (that's what should be in fact), meaning that, they MUST follow the orders given to them and act like cops not drifters nor racers. We as high ranked Officers, can and will help them role-play as much as possible, also help them understand the role of being a cop not just chasing suspects and kill them (we have already tried to assist them but they never listen to us). LCPD is a part of ARPD and all Officers must follow orders from high ranked Officer, nevertheless of their rank nor being a freecop means that they can do whatever they want.

P.S: Don't consider my words as a complaint or a conflict, these are just suggestions.

Signed,
Kevin Parker

Officer Kevin_Parker, as always, you show your high rank and experience and suggest some ideas that could stop the LCPD chaos. How about a starting test, so that we could know if the beginner cops have what it takes to be in the LCPD and not do whatever they want. This reminds me of being copbanned at the beginning of my activity for making justice. Good thing the Supreme Judge of Argonath in LC isn't an admin anymore.(he could've explained to me how to Roleplay or to act, not tempban me and copban me. He was not such a great admin, to be honest).
Totally supported.

[Mark]

Can you not quote a long post and tag the guy instead? Keep your off topic comments out of here tho.

[SugarD]

Can you not quote a long post and tag the guy instead? Keep your off topic comments out of here tho.

There is no rule that says they can't quote another post. That is why the forum function for it exists.

[superh2o]

If a player lacks the will to cooperate with fellow officer or staff, i find it hard just to let them free cuz they wont cooperate, so if you dont play ball, you get benched.
     
@CVP12345           

Also i don't support limiting the duty for players with passport, whole point of IVMP Argo is that all are equal, we should not separate the players, instead teach them how to be good law enforcers, as some older players taught all of you.

To me personally Mihail showed how to be great police officer, in return i tough other people, and so should you.

One person cant change much, but if you all try to teach players progress will be seen.

[Vitorrio]

Maybe there should be some bikes scripted with some sort of paint job close to the LCPD normal paint job('cause there is not LCPD bike in GTA IV), but it should say police property on them. And maybe they should have a modified horn, so that it would sound like LCPD's siren. Who knows, it might be implemented! 

[superh2o]

Due to car damage, lack of sync Bikes are just not needed for police, i would even say they would bring more harm then good.

[Vitorrio]

Maybe encouraging a friendly Roleplay towards newcomer cops will change learning the basic principles of a FreeCop to something natural. And maybe we should encourage people who we taught well to teach other newcomers, as well. I know this server has no obligation whatsoever, but a little Roleplay here and there hasn't done any harm to anyone.

[superh2o]

Maybe encouraging a friendly Roleplay towards newcomer cops will change learning the basic principles of a FreeCop to something natural. And maybe we should encourage people who we taught well to teach other newcomers, as well. I know this server has no obligation whatsoever, but a little Roleplay here and there hasn't done any harm to anyone.

Its been said million times, lead by example!
 You want new players to learn RP drag them in a simple RP and explain to them if they are doing something wrong.