FLA vs ARPD - Let's talk

[jovanca]

having a 'terrorist' group such as this one is something to be grateful for. that's probably the most unique idea ive seen in over 3 years i've spent on the server. if you fail to see potential in having them on the server, that's your fault. make sapd rules against going into flint country. open up an army group to fight fla or just simply have swat recruit more people and do it. remove those who won't keep it in a good manner from both sides.

[DevonSeabolt]

 I see a lot of truth in these comments. Huge errors from BOTH sides. Just as FLA should make more diploamatic efforts to keep the peace, ARPD should make more effort to not provoke them.

[TiMoN]

The moment you declared FLA an enemy f the state you set in motion thinsgs that nothing but one of the sides surrendering, and based on the list of victories FLA has I don't see us going anywhere.

[Pizza4_Games]

People need to understand, FLA isn't a terrorist group, It's a Liberation Army. They want freedom, all that kind of stuff. On a daily basis, sometimes I go up to their farm, on the right road, not drive on their fields, and just hang out, they're nice people actually.

[TrotlDebilni]

You are seen as a enemy of the state, a terrorist, so I am telling you to surrender

[Matthew_Green]

Well to get me started, I see the FLA as an interesting group. A group that brings more activity and interesting spectating to the server. Sure they and ARPD deathmatch a lot, and occasionally civilians become collateral damage. But something has to be done with both sides.


However with that being said, I'm goddamn sick and tired of route closures by both the FLA and ARPD at all of the toll plazas and entry/exit points of Flint County and Whetstone. For at least once or twice a day for the past several days, either one (or both) of the groups decide to blockade off all entries into Flint Co./Whetstone. Around noon US Eastern time yesterday, ARPD and FBI set up a chain of roadblocks around that area. However it sparked a massive debate in chat about if they should do that. What they did is that you can still enter Flint County and Whetstone all fine and dandy. But, they sealed off every single exit except for the one where all of the ARPD and FBI were located at. The Los Santos - Flint County Bridge in Santa Maria Beach. Then sure enough, that bridge turned into a DM-fest about 2 hours later.


Something has to be done. These closures/blockades are REALLY getting out of hand and needs to be stopped.

[eymas]

Having read through all the extra four pages I can only say the results are as I expected. I wish my attempts at solving the endless conflict were read, though. Instead I'm met with the typical attempts at justifying one's actions.

Well, I tried. Guess there's no saving this lot.


With that out. I still remain hopeful to push through my solutions on a level where we don't have to resort with tyrannical actions from HQ, such as removing heavy air access: I still believe it can be kept but with the right men to control. Same for forbidding interaction between the groups, you already want this yourself and have set those guidelines for you and your members to follow. Yet you can't escape the devolution of all cases and return to this vicious cycle.

I am still open for any and all suggestions that could contribute to the end of this. But if there's nothing that could be done without taking steps of evil, then I am out of all options.

Neither group needs to win a game that doesn't have to be played, I've tried mentioning that FLA already has what they fight for, but refuse to see it unless officially acknowledged 
Similar for the ARPD, They are only fighting because the FLA is practically against the constitution and all that. But do we really have to keep this ongoing if you can avoid conflict via simple thought?

I try solving this problem via server rules, because just like the people: we can agree roleplay gets us in similar waters as the wars between our major criminal groups: A ceasefire gets broken the same hour it's made.

[TiMoN]

For God's sake let everyone have their fun, those who bitch about this war can go hide in Los Santos and do their expected jobs. Civilians are always the victim of wars and nothing can be done about that. Everybody is tired of admins and HQ telling them how to RP or that their RP is "not good enough". If you want to become a serious RP server where you should RP bullets exiting your gun' barrel then you should by all means message LSRP owners and ask to host a second server for them, they'll need it because their server only holds 600/600 and summer is coming.

It's too late for any "up and coming" RP server in SAMP, the client itself will die out in a few years when shitty PCs can run GTA V and everyone and their mother will move out to VMP or whatever client is still alive.

Bottom line is you should stop telling players how to play a dying game and foccs on making it more enjoyable(hint hint no rant topics that reach 150 replies overnight).

[Ivan_Dzeba]

There is a bad side and good side of shutting down FLA.

Bad side is, it will most likely lower playerbase,less RP,less fun,less interactions,less drama etc...

Good side is, law enforcement can focus more on other criminal activites. And we will no longer live under the fear that the State we are protecting and serving, may lose it's part to some terrorists.

I don't care how much hate I get right after this apply, but I am gonna admit it, I am fully on SAPD's side and a hundred percent against the FLA. I would do anything to stop their operations.

But ofcourse, after getting discipline from my SAPD instructors, I learned not to provocate,bait FLA, and not to rush at them and shoot them. So, I will only use force against the FLA when neccessary.

This post might get alot of hate, but this is my opinion, a opinion from a Cadet who loves the state and who FULLY supports all government's actions, I mean, I am a governmental worker after all.

[Julio.]

I'd sooner see the FLA vs SAPD "war" settled in an RP manner within the server.

It's unfortunate that FLA's goal is unattainable, because nobody gives a damn about dying within the server. Perhaps we should treat the ongoing "war" with that goal as a single RP situation, and if anybody returns after death, should be punished accordingly? - That would certainly stop the repeated shootouts.

[eymas]

In terms of enjoyment: A lot of people are not enjoying argonath anymore and situations like this are what contributed to the weights that were put on us. This counts for many players, staff members, cops, fla members themselves I'd bet as well. Yet I signed up as a staff member to preserve the balance and to keep the game enjoyable for all parties, myself included.

Closing the group isn't going to be an option I want to consider either because I like the principle of it. And I have tried to bring over the point that you can roleplay your "independent state" if you look at it from our server rules their perspective.
You just have to keep in mind that you can't force that roleplay onto players, they can ignore your state's laws if they drive through it for the sake of reaching san fierro, if they grow weed however then it's a little different.

Simply expand the views and look over any possibility you come across, and you'd realize all that fighting is unnecessary

[TiMoN]

There is a bad side and good side of shutting down FLA.

Bad side is, it will most likely lower playerbase,less RP,less fun,less interactions,less drama etc...

Good side is, law enforcement can focus more on other criminal activites. And we will no longer live under the fear that the State we are protecting and serving, may lose it's part to some terrorists.

I don't care how much hate I get right after this apply, but I am gonna admit it, I am fully on SAPD's side and a hundred percent against the FLA. I would do anything to stop their operations.

But ofcourse, after getting discipline from my SAPD instructors, I learned not to provocate,bait FLA, and not to rush at them and shoot them. So, I will only use force against the FLA when neccessary.

This post might get alot of hate, but this is my opinion, a opinion from a Cadet who loves the state and who FULLY supports all government's actions, I mean, I am a governmental worker after all.

Oh look, a wild "hurr durr i cant beat FLA admin pls shut down FLA so my virtual ego can come back" in its natural habitat.

You should /groupleave SAPD the next time you login because you just admitted to being a useless shit.

Closing the group isn't going to be an option I want to consider either because I like the principle of it. And I have tried to bring over the point that you can roleplay your "independent state" if you look at it from our server rules their perspective.
You just have to keep in mind that you can't force that roleplay onto players, they can ignore your state's laws if they drive through it for the sake of reaching san fierro, if they grow weed however then it's a little different.

Simply expand the views and look over any possibility you come across, and you'd realize all that fighting is unnecessary

Most of us understand the idea of "free-rp" in Argonath where if you to be a tree then by all means dig a hole and jump into it.

But this is the same reason FLA and SAPD are at it, if FLA starts pulling over people for not following their laws, they will just bitch to admins, bitch to /cb, bitch in /p or /l or drive away and get killed/arrested(inb4 more bitching) for evading FLA.

 Same goes for cops, pull one over to ask them what they're doing in FC and Air Force One, US Army and every police unit from the canadian to mexican border will be up your ass in seconds.

If you want to see FLA enforcing their laws with little to no bloodbath, make us the 51st state or a county with its own PD and government, something like that.

[eymas]

Most of us understand the idea of "free-rp" in Argonath where if you to be a tree then by all means dig a hole and jump into it.

Yep, that's what Argonath's stance on roleplay is, you can be as serious as you want to be, or you roleplay a concrete block in the sidewalk 

But this is the same reason FLA and SAPD are at it, if FLA starts pulling over people for not following their laws, they will just bitch to admins, bitch to /cb, bitch in /p or /l or drive away and get killed/arrested(inb4 more bitching) for evading FLA.

If you want to see FLA enforcing their laws with little to no bloodbath, make us the 51st state or a county with its own PD and government, something like that.

Doesn't need something like that to avoid bloodbaths, you do need to look at what the cause is. Most of the time people will drive away the instant they know they get a ticket/arrested, or when he/she might(will) get shot for it. Willingly you choose to evade which is why the SAPD can arrest/pursue you for that. On the player side this is a little odd as we consider it to be deathmatching. An odd comparison there, but perhaps we've chosen that route because otherwise people keep killing each other, and they then come to bitch at us for that 

Thinking outside of the box, that's how we could get your flint country to reality. 

[Hubbestubbe]

Me(FLA army council) and Drix have decided to take a step back in the violence if you check previous pages. So this topic is no longer leading anywhere but to provocation from both sides. I know you all have certain feelings and are upset but let's try this out for a week and see where it goes.

[eymas]

Me(FLA army council) and Drix have decided to take a step back in the violence if you check previous pages. So this topic is no longer leading anywhere but to provocation from both sides. I know you all have certain feelings and are upset but let's try this out for a week and see where it goes.

If I could get a little more insight from this from both sides + documentation then that would be great.
Private, of course.

I'll put a pre-emptive lock on this topic as it served its purpose; For the community to stick their heads together in trying to regain what was out of control.