[Denied] FredericK Collin banned by Devin Seville

[Devin]

Seeing as it seems you still can't see the problem with this entire situation and you want to start complaining about how this is not getting anywhere. Feel free to contact the owner about your issue.

Oh and I am so sorry I have a life to deal with so I can't sit here replying to your unban request every day with the same paragraph that you can't seem to understand.
You incriminated yourself with those logs and the translations, there's no love lost here nor logic found.

[RuCa]

Seeing as it seems you still can't see the problem with this entire situation and you want to start complaining about how this is not getting anywhere. Feel free to contact the owner about your issue.

Oh and I am so sorry I have a life to deal with so I can't sit here replying to your unban request every day with the same paragraph that you can't seem to understand.
You incriminated yourself with those logs and the translations, there's no love lost here nor logic found.

I saw the point you are acusing me. Basicly you are saying that I knew the owner of the account was not the guy that was there when the property have been sold and the money sent. As I said before there is nothing that could indicate to me that wasn't Leonardo on his account. The phrase saying "I am going to Edmund account" would indicate to me if I would realize at that time it was Leonardo on his account probably going to his brother Account not Edmund on the Leonardos account going into his self account. I couldn't realize that it wasn't him.

I understand you have more life besides your duty here and I am sorry for bothering you almost every "single day" but from those arguments that you bring here none indicates that I knew it was Edmund and not Leonardo.

From that question by admins it would look suspictious as I said before but I explained the reason of that and why he stated that over my PM.

About the giveweapon I explained the situation to you.

So you assume that I knew it was Edmund on his brother account making the rule #13 break. I didn't knew and that is the first situation here but as a old member of this community the rules should be in my mind of course so that is not an excuse. Nobody indicates that I knew it wasn't the property owner there. Could you check that sentence again and attempt to see my point? It's on you, you don't know me and there is no reason to trust my word I assume that from your side. But please try to look at that sentence better and all the evidences posted here. Tense and the way it was written not lead you to believe that it wasn't the account owner. The usage of words in that sentence and using Leonardos account, everyone would believe that it was Leonardo, the account owner, going to other account ("I am going to Edmund account"). As said before if it was Leonardos account and the people behind it tell "I am going to my account" there I could assume it was not the property Owner, heading to other account and in this case all your sentences and acusations would make sense against me and would make this ban valid.

Every translation was done without any way to incriminate no one since there is no relevant content on those translations and the suspicious talk there was already clarified by me. As said before it's up to you check it or not, attempt to understand my point or no with those sentences. The incrimination that you are talking about is those 2 phrases one that say "I am going to Edmund account" and other saying "To many admins online". Both of them were explained before and in my vision isn't there nothing that incriminate me. It could look suspicious as told before, but from that to incriminate me and make me guilty of this is a big difference.

EXAMPLE: You and I are friend and I have a brother called Toto. I own 1 property and wanna make an offer and give you half of that property value. In the middle of the deal I tell you "I am going to Toto account so you could explain to me the cop things."

QUESTION: Would you assume it wasn't the account owner or would you assume it was the account owner from that example?

[Devin]

I saw the point you are acusing me. Basicly you are saying that I knew the owner of the account was not the guy that was there when the property have been sold and the money sent. As I said before there is nothing that could indicate to me that wasn't Leonardo on his account. The phrase saying "I am going to Edmund account" would indicate to me if I would realize at that time it was Leonardo on his account probably going to his brother Account not Edmund on the Leonardos account going into his self account. I couldn't realize that it wasn't him.

It is not my fault you couldn't think when you read a message where he said "going to EDMUND ACCOUNT". That is on you.

He asked you to come to the property > red flag yet you didn't ask why but only where it was
He asked you half of the value > red flag yet you are saying you were getting your money owed back whilst you hadn't even spoken about getting the money before that.
He told you he was going to the edmund account > red flag as he literally told you he is going to ANOTHER account which is MULTIACCOUNTING
He asked you to show him new things > red flag and after he logs in as Edmund and tells you about getting denied from FBI etc
He asked you about police stuff > red flag here Leonardo is Gvardia, why would he care about cop things? Edmund is the one that always plays as a cop.

The usage of words in that sentence and using Leonardos account, everyone would believe that it was Leonardo, the account owner, going to other account ("I am going to Edmund account").

If people would translate "I am going to edmund account" as Leonardo saying he is going to another account then they are foolish. Why would he change accounts after just giving you money? And why would he come on to sell a property on one and then go to the other. Even if it was Leonardo using both accounts then it's still multiaccounting.

As said before if it was Leonardos account and the people behind it tell "I am going to my account" there I could assume it was not the property Owner, heading to other account and in this case all your sentences and acusations would make sense against me and would make this ban valid.

If someone tells you "I am going to edmund account" and then "show me new things" obviously they are not on their own profile, what is so hard to comprehend?
Are you telling me that the ban is invalid because he said "going to edmund account" and not "going to my account" which is the same thing.

Every translation was done without any way to incriminate no one since there is no relevant content on those translations and the suspicious talk there was already clarified by me.

Incorrect. Firstly,
[13:06:23] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 tao bue admins on (There are too many admins online.)
asking for half of the value,
[13:09:02] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l 593 / 2
[13:09:18] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /l 245k

13:11:28] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas (After this I am coming to Edmund account and show me the new things.)

[13:12:23] CMD  -> FredericK_Collin (31) : /pm 20 ehhh nao ha muito, porque metade delas nao sei tipo growweed, fazer meth e isso nao sei (There is nothing much, half of it I don't know. For example growweed, meth and that I don't know.)

[13:12:34] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /pm 31 e cop? (And cop?.)

And then he logs in on Edmund account, talks about your police ranks and how he was denied from FBI or whatever he applied to law enforcement related. Right there is clear proof of who he is.

EXAMPLE: You and I are friend and I have a brother called Toto. I own 1 property and wanna make an offer and give you half of that property value. In the middle of the deal I tell you "I am going to Toto account so you could explain to me the cop things."

QUESTION: Would you assume it wasn't the account owner or would you assume it was the account owner from that example?

Obviously it is not the owner if they say "going to .... account" is pretty damn obvious that it's either a person multiaccounting or someone that is not the actual account owner on the current account.

[RuCa]

He asked you to come to the property > red flag yet you didn't ask why but only where it was

As said before he wanna make me an offer. He told me that in real life without any in game talk so there is the reason why I asked him where is the property.

He asked you half of the value > red flag yet you are saying you were getting your money owed back whilst you hadn't even spoken about getting the money before that.

As said from the beginning he told me that he wanna offer me half money of the property. Maybe he asked me that cause he wanna give me half of it? :s

He told you he was going to the edmund account > red flag as he literally told you he is going to ANOTHER account which is MULTIACCOUNTING

As said before he told me that and it's true and I didn't pay attention on it. Anyway that is not an excuse and I didn't knew it was illegal. I was thinking some person could just log in others players account. Here you are right.

He asked you to show him new things > red flag and after he logs in as Edmund and tells you about getting denied from FBI etc

Sorry but here there is no point since they are brothers and many times they play together both of them should know the same things. Specially them since they are too close and after talking with Leonardo he knew everything about FBI, SAPD reinstantement and everything, so you are wrong here.

He asked you about police stuff > red flag here Leonardo is Gvardia, why would he care about cop things? Edmund is the one that always plays as a cop.

As said before I assume that was Leonardo and he gonna tell the new things to his brother.

If people would translate "I am going to edmund account" as Leonardo saying he is going to another account then they are foolish.

So you are not just going simply for the english but going for you point of view? Then I am foolish or maybe you don't wanna see the other side of the story.

Why would he change accounts after just giving you money? And why would he come on to sell a property on one and then go to the other. Even if it was Leonardo using both accounts then it's still multiaccounting.

As said before multiaccount is a rule break and bannable so aparently you got the wrong guy?
As stated before too, I was assuming it was Leonardo going into his brother account and I would tell him the newest things on the server and then he could just tell to Edmund.

If someone tells you "I am going to edmund account" and then "show me new things" obviously they are not on their own profile, what is so hard to comprehend?

Why do you say they are not on his profile? Basicly from that I could say it was LEONARDO going to EDMUND account and asking me to show him the new things.

Are you telling me that the ban is invalid because he said "going to edmund account" and not "going to my account" which is the same thing.

You from the beginning said I knew it was Edmund on Leonardos account. I just said there is no proofs of that because YOU can't confirm from that sentence who was online if it was Leonardo or Edmund.  In my point of view it was Leonardo, in yours it's different. The truth is that it was Edmund you are right, but from that SENTENSE I couldn't get that.

And then he logs in on Edmund account, talks about your police ranks and how he was denied from FBI or whatever he applied to law enforcement related. Right there is clear proof of who he is.

As said before Leonardo know Edmund history in SAPD/FBI.

Obviously it is not the owner if they say "going to .... account" is pretty damn obvious that it's either a person multiaccounting or someone that is not the actual account owner on the current account.

So there you give me reason it could be multiaccouting and like that WHY am I banned?
There is no relevante information that could lead you to know I knew it wasn't the account owner but other person. So I am on FredericK account and tell "I am going to Devin account" for you is the same as saying "I am going to my account." In the first case to be it show multiaccounting, in the second it show the person online wasn't the owner.

About multiaccounting I would consider it but I know both of them since they are my cousins and there is no multiaccount they are separated persons. So I assumed it was LEONARDO using his account, going to his brother account (EDMUND). I didn't knew it was illegal other people access others accounts even IF AUTHORIZED.

[Devin]

There is no relevante information that could lead you to know I knew it wasn't the account owner but other person. So I am on FredericK account and tell "I am going to Devin account" for you is the same as saying "I am going to my account." In the first case to be it show multiaccounting, in the second it show the person online wasn't the owner.

[13:11:28] CMD  -> Leonardo_Gvardia (20) : /l dps vou pa conta do edmund e mostra-me as cenas novas (After this I am coming to Edmund account and show me the new things.)

What more has to be said? Seriously.

About multiaccounting I would consider it but I know both of them since they are my cousins and there is no multiaccount they are separated persons. So I assumed it was LEONARDO using his account, going to his brother account (EDMUND). I didn't knew it was illegal other people access others accounts even IF AUTHORIZED.

I am aware that they are two people, Edmund is also banned for accessing Leonardos account. They are STILL multiaccounting by accessing another account that does not belong to him hence multiaccounting. Accessing more than one account.


Anyway, my verdict at this point is; Denied.