Building a new PC

[Mark]

its not a debate , let bruce decide.
and if you think you know everything , then create a part list to help him out

You're out of arguments.

There is a reason i told him to look over other forums instead of here, i'm not expert nor pretend to be one, good try on derailing the topic.
Here is one of the builds i had in mind some time ago (i changed only the GPU which was a 970 before)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4LFfjc

It's 693,80 euros, keep in mind that i haven't included any SSD nor better CPU cooler however the PSU is semi-modular and it will help out with cable management more than a non modular one. Any cpu cooler will do better than the stock one. I heard good things about the Noctua NH-U12S or you can choose something cheaper. For the SSD i'd go for a 850 Evo or Crucial MX300, they're still good for standard usage and they will be faster than any HDD for sure.

I don't know if you got a keyboard, mouse and monitor already so i suggest adding more details, especially on what do you expect from it, a 1060 for example will easily let you play on anything on very high and ultra settings but if you're not after that even a 1050ti is good and cheaper. Once again, have a look on different tech forums for more suggestions, don't stick to one opinion, i could easily be giving you a configuration you may not need for your usage, that i don't know yet.

[ahmedXD]

You're out of arguments.

There is a reason i told him to look over other forums instead of here, i'm not expert nor pretend to be one, good try on derailing the topic.
Here is one of the builds i had in mind some time ago (i changed only the GPU which was a 970 before)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4LFfjc

It's 693,80 euros, keep in mind that i haven't included any SSD nor better CPU cooler however the PSU is semi-modular and it will help out with cable management more than a non modular one. Any cpu cooler will do better than the stock one. I heard good things about the Noctua NH-U12S or you can choose something cheaper. For the SSD i'd go for a 850 Evo or Crucial MX300, they're still good for standard usage and they will be faster than any HDD for sure.

I don't know if you got a keyboard, mouse and monitor already so i suggest adding more details, especially on what do you expect from it, a 1060 for example will easily let you play on anything on very high and ultra settings but if you're not after that even a 1050ti is good and cheaper. Once again, have a look on different tech forums for more suggestions, don't stick to one opinion, i could easily be giving you a configuration you may not need for your usage, that i don't know yet.

The focus is not winning an argument over you, its to help bruce, your current build is 8gb(2133mhz) ram are you aware mine is 16gb(2888mhz)+yours got less power supply 550w 80+ bronze vs 700w 80+ bronze + older i5 (i5-6500 vs i5-7500)  and surprisingly more expensive than this build which I recommend Bruce more than yours
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hyDCvV
the single evga sc card still beats full sized bigger cards and can oc to 2ghz
the amp edition equals or even beats the evga sc in some situations, +1 for this.

Also whas your point with choosing crossfire motherboard when you are using nvidia which needs SLi, and 2x 1060 cant be SLIed nvidia removed this feature on this card.

your build i5-6500 vs mine i5-7500
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-7500-vs-Intel-Core-i5-6500/3648vs3513

[Mark]

The focus is not winning an argument over you, its to help bruce, your current build is 8gb(2133mhz) ram are you aware mine is 16gb(2888mhz)+ less power supply 550w 80+ bronze vs 700w 80+ bronze + older i5 (i5-6500 vs i5-7500)  and surprisingly more expensive than this build which I recommend Bruce more than yours
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hyDCvV
the single evga sc card still beats full sized bigger cards and can oc to 2ghz
Also whas your point with choosing crossfire motherboard when you are using nvidia which needs SLi, and 2x 1060 cant be SLIed nvidia removed this feature on this card.

5$ dollars cheaper than your kaby lake list wow bro what a huge difference

I didn't put stuff which is overkill and in my opinion unnecessary and also unknown to me, you don't need 700W for a 1060 jesus christ, have you checked the wattage of the components? 600-650W would be already more than needed. It's also 80+ bronze as yours, no difference. I also mentioned this is an old build which wasn't complete back then and never will. I'm not running a race.

Also whas your point with choosing crossfire motherboard when you are using nvidia which needs SLi, and 2x 1060 cant be SLIed nvidia removed this feature on this card.

pretty stupid question considering you chose something that has it too. Oh btw those RAMs won't give much benefit anyway...

[ahmedXD]

5$ dollars cheaper than your kaby lake list wow bro what a huge difference

I didn't put stuff which is overkill and in my opinion unnecessary and also unknown to me, you don't need 700W for a 1060 jesus christ, have you checked the wattage of the components? 600-650W would be already more than needed. It's also 80+ bronze as yours, no difference. I also mentioned this is an old build which wasn't complete back then and never will. I'm not running a race.



pretty stupid question considering you chose something that has it too.

ASRock B250M-HDV not Asrock B250M pro4 , you ain't lying to no one bro 

Oh btw those RAMs won't give much benefit anyway:

http://wccftech.com/fallout-4-performance-heavily-influenced-by-ram-speed-according-to-report/

incomparable 2133mhz to 2800mhz, but if there is 1-5fps increase it matters for Mr Brucy budget
+ the 5% increase in cpu performance

5$ matters you can get a new led mouse http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zelotes-7200-DPI-7-Button-USB-LED-Light-Optical-Wired-Gaming-Mouse-for-Pro-Gamer-/262917312034?hash=item3d3717ce22:g:zkoAAOSwmrlUy8Zh

[Mark]

ASRock B250M-HDV not Asrock B250M pro4 , you ain't lying to no one bro 

My bad, i didn't copy the full code, still no huge difference from mine except from a overpowered PSU and a CPU that performs pretty much as the previous generation. You're still trying to grasp at straws over an old PC build of mine when we still have no idea what is the power he needs. What if he wants to go for double AMD cards? as i said, it all depends on him.

[ahmedXD]

My bad, i didn't copy the full code, still no huge difference from mine except from a overpowered PSU and a CPU that performs pretty much as the previous generation. You're still trying to grasp at straws over an old PC build of mine when we still have no idea what is the power he needs. What if he wants to go for double AMD cards? as i said, it all depends on him.

What about 8gb vs 16gb ram and price/performance ?

[Mark]

ASRock B250M-HDV not Asrock B250M pro4 , you ain't lying to no one bro 

http://wccftech.com/fallout-4-performance-heavily-influenced-by-ram-speed-according-to-report/

incomparable 2133mhz to 2800mhz, but if there is 1-5fps increase it matters for Mr Brucy budget
+ the 5% increase in cpu performance

One game out of how many? There isn't a huge improvement on majority of games, you may see a difference if you do alot of Multi-tasking but that's it. Really, continue grasping at straws as this show is gonna be good. You also won't notice that 5%, unless you only care about benchmarks, the gaming perfomance will be the same, for now.

What about 8gb vs 16gb ram and price/performance ?

I don't know that ram so i have nothing to say about it, shall i repeat it was one of my old builds again? I'm not doing a pc masterrace. Kingston's 16gb costs 122 euros on amazon, we don't even know where he will buy it and considering every place has different prices it may make a difference. Keep grasping

some quick research brought me to this



I will be out of this until Bruce shows up. That's enough cancer pc masterrace for me today.

[ahmedXD]

This whole topic got me excited I'm gonna buy some parts today 

some quick research brought me to this



I will be out of this until Bruce shows up. That's enough cancer pc masterrace for me today.

im thinking about 6600k and 7600k, 220$ or 235$ 

[TheRock]

This shall be no 'skills' debate, any more posts irrelevant to topic will be erased.

As Emmet mentioned, SSD's are useful for heavy multiplayer games and OS-Programs load time.
I have a cheap AData SP900 which has only 64(59)gb's. It's plenty enough for me to have Windows 10 + Battlefield 4 on it.  (Yes BF4 needs 5 mins on normal HDD.)

My current build is really really budget as I mentioned on another topic, someone said that you can not game with a Pentium (2 Cores / 4 Threads). Well in fact, Kaby Lake pentium only lacks turbo boost from i3, it's exactly the same thing. Why would I give 50 Euros more for a small turbo boost? 3.5Ghz 2c/4t is plenty enough. Paired with 4GB DDR4 Crucial 2400Mhz and Gigabyte B250M-DS2H (Yes, YOU READ it right.. ONLY 4gb of ram!), together with a used 5 years old GTX 670 2GB bought for 90 euros (It's power is somewhere between GTX 960), the total cost of my PC did NOT go over 350 Euros (Consider I had spare parts like HDD from previous builds) and I can play GTA V max (without max AA) @ 1080p 65+ FPS, BF4 @ULTRA 1080p 70-90FPS++.. generally I used to be a fan of buying expensive and new rig everynow and then, but after changing nearly 30 PCs the last 8 years I just built something that runs CHEAP on power bill, yet satisfies my needs. So Bruce, the final rig has to include everything you want and aim for. I wanted a PC for ONLY 1080p gaming, cheap and good. So I built the following:

CPU:  Intel® Pentium® G4560 @ 3.50GHz (Currently selling for 60Euros)
MB: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H (Currently selling for 80 Euros)
RAM: (1x)Crucial 4GB DDR4-2400MHz (Currently selling for 35 Euros)
PSU: Corsair VS Series VS450 80Plus (35 Euros)
--Worth 210 Euros until now--
Case: 30 Euros
HDD: 320GB very old worth around 30-40 Euros (45 Euros for a 500GB - 50/55 for 1TB)
SSD: 64GB around 40-55 euros (Not worth because for around 60 euros you can get 120GB now anyways)
++ USED GPU 90 euros

The core build let alone with any HDD can run with integrated GPU LoL @ 100 FPS ultra++ 1080p..
I only plan to upgrade the RAM and add a second 4GB, Motherboard does not support over 2400Mhz nor OC plus I don't intend to upgrade the PC anymore, it fits my needs really. In general you can cheap a pretty good pc cheap nowdays!

For a few good builds depending on your wallet; take a look at this:
http://newbcomputerbuild.com/gaming-pc-build-2017/february-2017-monthly-gaming-pc-builds/

[Kessu]

Best advice I can give you is ignore everything posted before "TheRock" (post above mine) and I'll add a small adjustment to what "TheRock" said.

For gaming, you want 2 RAM sticks instead of one (so 2x2gb or 2x4gb). You do not need more than 8gb for basic video editing and gaming. And for DDR3, aim for sticks with ~2000 MHz speed since they still have decent latencies (the higher the MHz rating, the higher the cost in $$$ and latency, and FPS gain is basically 0).

PSU can be ~420W, just make sure you get a quality one (please do not buy chieftec or crap like that).

SSD for gaming is massive in regards to game bootup time, loading screens, even loading textures while just playing. SSD wipes the floor with HDDs in that regard, anyone arguing against that is an idiot and should be quiet.

EDIT: Oh, one advice was gold. Do not ask for advice on PC building on these forums, it's better for you and your wallet if you use forums made for PC building and ask help from more experienced users.

[Solis]

I would recommend waiting for the Ryzen 5 CPUs to come out. While even a ~$200 processor is problematic in a ~$600 build, there's good reasons to get one over an i5/i7, especially if you're into "bang for the buck" rather than top performance, which you probably are if you're building a PC in this range. As this guy says in the video, while Kaby Lake may be faster overall thanks to higher clock speeds/better architecture, the value for the money you'd get from, say, a 1500x over a 7700k, is pretty huge, specially when you take into account the cost of the MOBOs and coolers (Ryzen comes with a good one, for the unlocked Intels you need to buy one separately).



And yeah, ~450W is sufficient wattage in most cases, certainly for a CPU in this range which very likely won't have dual GPUs and other stuff.

[ahmedXD]

I would recommend waiting for the Ryzen 5 CPUs to come out. While even a ~$200 processor is problematic in a ~$600 build, there's good reasons to get one over an i5/i7, especially if you're into "bang for the buck" rather than top performance, which you probably are if you're building a PC in this range. As this guy says in the video, while Kaby Lake may be faster overall thanks to higher clock speeds/better architecture, the value for the money you'd get from, say, a 1500x over a 7700k, is pretty huge, specially when you take into account the cost of the MOBOs and coolers (Ryzen comes with a good one, for the unlocked Intels you need to buy one separately).



And yeah, ~450W is sufficient wattage in most cases, certainly for a CPU in this range which very likely won't have dual GPUs and other stuff.

Ryzen 3 4 core 4 threads kinda good to concider if its better than an i5 and costs around an i3

[Matt]

I hate how it shares entire lists, but here you go -_-

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kylesforza/saved/#view=3XW8dC

Recommended upgrade : get a 550W PSU of same model instead of 450W.

Saw your Helios list and it will be my basis for my build

[Yasko]

I'd rather go for a Ryzen instead of i5 7500

Spoiler for Hiden:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1400 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor  (€149.04)
Motherboard: Asus - PRIME B350-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€91.00)
Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2666 Memory  (€70.81 @ Amazon Italia)
Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€49.50 @ Amazon Italia)
Video Card: MSI - Radeon RX 480 4GB GAMING X Video Card  (€210.37 @ Amazon Italia)
Case: BitFenix - Nova ATX Mid Tower Case  (€34.50 @ Amazon Italia)
Power Supply: Corsair - CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  (€64.00)
Total: €669.22

PS: I hope I'm not late 

[Salmonella]

Wait a month or two and get AMD Ryzen.