The use of /gu and 'surrendered' suspects - Made perfectly clear! READ THIS

[Neave]

a suspect has only two options: surrender on sight of a cop, or run away/fight.
if you surrender (like you should do if you dont want to be killed) then nothing will happen to you. if you fight, or run, then you get whats coming to you.

[Shockk]

a suspect has only two options: surrender on sight of a cop, or run away/fight.
if you surrender (like you should do if you dont want to be killed) then nothing will happen to you. if you fight, or run, then you get whats coming to you.

ok .

[Gandalf]

/gu exist to give a way for cops to have some what of a physical control over a suspect.

On the contrary, /gu was created to PROTECT the suspect from being killed. Which is why there is NO obligation to use it.

since its not real life, people cannot use any physical force to bring a suspect down.
and because of that, saying "/gu or I kill you" isnt abuse at all.

Since when are you making rules ? I think that the explanation from server owners that it IS abuse goes above your statement.

in real life, a cop will attack a suspect, sometimes even shoot, if they dont give up. and are standing feet from them. its the same thing as "get down on the ground or ill have to tazer you!" in real life.
a cop is unsure what the suspect will do next and should make themselves ready to kill if the suspect doesnt surrender.
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Which is why telling "surrender or I will use force" is correct and "/gu now or die" is abuse.

a suspect in the game is the same as any felon in real life. and so police have every right to aim a gun at them. even if they arent doing anything threatening at the time. nobody knows whats in anybodys mind

and. "Hello citizen!" to a suspect? that has to be a joke.. lol.

when that cop is shot in the head just to say hello, there wont be anymore conversation.

Not all suspects are running, and in real life cops can not see from someones skin colour if they are suspected.

A person evading the police in any way is reason enough to aim a gun, or be "forceful" on sight[/b][/color]

Police do not exist to make friends. a cop has no way of knowing whats going through your head. and again. evading police = reason to use force

so many of you people speak about true RP. but a suspect running from police in real life would never start a conversation with an officer. or ask for time to surrender. because that time could end up getting the officer killed.
when a cop locates a person running from them, they call for backup, they take out their gun, and yell at you to get on the ground. theres no room for being polite, and having conversation.

Thanks, I will know now that any speeder in your country will be willing to kill a cop to avoid getting jailed.

Your post is total BS.

[Neave]

Since when are you making rules ? I think that the explanation from server owners that it IS abuse goes above your statement.

i'm not making any rules, only saying my opinion

Which is why telling "surrender or I will use force" is correct and "/gu now or die" is abuse.
Not all suspects are running, and in real life cops can not see from someones skin colour if they are suspected.

saying "/gu or die" is abuse, and saying surrender or i will use force is the best way it should be said.

and no, you dont turn orange when youre a suspect in real life, but it replaces having to say "suspect is in green pants, white shirt, blue shoes"

Thanks, I will know now that any speeder in your country will be willing to kill a cop to avoid getting jailed.

Your post is total BS.

Speeders shouldnt be /suspected anyway, and if they are, its only because they are evading the police. so that doesnt apply at all. suspects should be treated the same to prevent cops being killed.

the point is, if you evade police (regardless of if you were speeding, or killed somebody) then expect to be shot at, and told to give up or else you may die. i dont see how that dosent make sense, lol..

 there isnt room for people who are suspect to say "you should have said hello to me first! then i wouldnt have ran!"...

don't nitpick and take things i say out of context.

most always, a person is suspected because they are evading. and you should expect to be caught, or killed in the process of it.
people shouldnt be annoyed that they sometimes end up dieing because they run.
theres really no argument with that..


Your post is total BS.

[Murt]

I think Gandalf's posts is making the most sense here Neave.

[Vince]

I once did roleplay the cuffing process with a criminal, and held him on the back seat of the cruiser. As soon as we passed near a car, the criminal jumped out for no apparent reason, grabbed the car and took off. I reported him to an administrator (or it was a moderator) and the only reply I received was that no /gu = not surrendered, so he had the right to flee without any RPing reason...

Then the moderator was wrong and you can report him to [email protected] via email.. give a date & time.

[Leon.]

- Once managed to convince FBI (who were originally going to arrest me for illegal human experimentation) to transport some players to LS for hospital - who were actually going to be zombies when they awoke (everyone knew this) causing a server wide zombie outbreak. (Example of interesting RP to avoid jail/ death).

That's strange. I once tried RPing with some zombie shit with undisclosed persons, and they did nothing but go "there are no such thing as zombies" (despite the fact that the players that were zombies actually did the stereotypical stuff zombies do... BRAINS). But despite that, some (long) time ago, the WHOLE ENTIRE server roleplayed a zombie outbreak. It was so fun, and injected a large amount of hope into the entire server... even SWAT participated.

+1 respect to the beloved Jcstodds.

[Que]

I'd say the issue is that the cops actually believe that '/GU' is the only way to get a criminal to surrender.
Also, vice versa.

Last night, I did some role-play with my buddy Jcstodds and some other guys. The meaning of that held event by Jcstodds, was about concerning this matter. After some time, the cops arrested us all smoothly. Almost all of us did not use /GU. Every arrest was more likely role-played, and it was appreciated by everyone involved. What I believe would be a logic thing to do is to actually clarify that this unwritten rule about /GU are not the only way to make an arrest. That's why I like this topic.

I once did roleplay the cuffing process with a criminal, and held him on the back seat of the cruiser. As soon as we passed near a car, the criminal jumped out for no apparent reason, grabbed the car and took off. I reported him to an administrator (or it was a moderator) and the only reply I received was that no /gu = not surrendered, so he had the right to flee without any RPing reason...

I've noticed this myself when I was a cop for a few days. Whenever you did not '/GU' then, they were taking off while you drove away with them or even before that.