Fix the server please

[Klaus]

I've had the need to ban so many pakistani routes that soon all of them would be blocked.

Impossible.

[ferrari32]

What do you mean by this?
80% of the job?

I mean, I know that they are obviously troublemakers.
But how can you catch them all O_O.

Just like Ash Ketchum did with the pokemons

[JDC]

The racist attitudes in this thread are truly shameful, from players up to the server manager himself. You are an embarrassment to our community.

At least in the case where Israel was routeblocked, the blame was on those who were themselves the reason for the routeblock. Whereas here in this topic I see plenty of racist shit and stereotyping on Pakistani players as a whole...

Sorry, but I will not automatically side with an administration member simply because we work for the HQ. I will side with those who carry out their actions pursuant to what is good for this community, not to those who love shitting and racism, who had better change their attitudes.

You seem to have forgotten Aragorn's warnings and this community's rules. Keep going down this path and I will not be surprised if entire admin team is removed and server is closed for reason of having been a total failure and unable to fulfill the tasks allotted to them.

[Lazee]

The racist attitudes in this thread are truly shameful, from players up to the server manager himself. You are an embarrassment to our community.

At least in the case where Israel was routeblocked, the blame was on those who were themselves the reason for the routeblock. Whereas here in this topic I see plenty of racist shit and stereotyping on Pakistani players as a whole...

Sorry, but I will not automatically side with an administration member simply because we work for the HQ. I will side with those who carry out their actions pursuant to what is good for this community, not to those who love shitting and racism, who had better change their attitudes.

You seem to have forgotten Aragorn's warnings and this community's rules. Keep going down this path and I will not be surprised if entire admin team is removed and server is closed for reason of having been a total failure and unable to fulfill the tasks allotted to them.

^ This.


I agree this was going way off the path.

[Kessu]

It's not racism as you like to call it, more like the facts. Pakistani players HAVE been crashing the server in the past, there's no question about it (this is not assumption, but a fact).

You call it out as racism because you never needed to deal with such problems that we did. I needed to ban like _20_ pakistani players and then block their routes AND proxies to keep them out.

In the end, I don't care if someone calls me or klaus or anyone else for that matter a racist here, if you know nothing that pakis put the admin team & VCMP community itself through (I even asked a routeblock for pakistan).

[Klaus]

Kessu is totally right, I don't understand why people think this topic is about racism? I and a few others who know about the current situation were mentioning how several pakistani players have been attacking the server recently. You say we are stereotyping and shit but then they themselves are not proving this stereotype wrong are they? You mention how Israel was blocked on the SA:MP server because of a few ban evaders? Well I can tell you now that there are at least 3x the amount of pakistani players who attack the VC:MP server on a regular basis. So instead of jumping at us labeling us as racists, maybe you should understand why we have such an opinion in the first place. I know there are some pakis who are innocent, but they truly are the minority in the VC:MP community and they would be blind to disagree.

[stormeus]

I don't understand why people think this topic is about racism

It's not racism as you like to call it

Haha Sugard that was funny       Almost every server you enter in VC:MP you can see Pakistsnis lol 

lol they're like a parasite with their low level intelligence and terrible internet speeds.

  Yes, they are parasites. They timeout almost everytime  And they also have a English that  like: Me needs car, man! 

Stereotyping an entire group because a select few cause problems doesn't justify saying they all do it, hence stereotyping.

It is the truth, you would have known if you would play.

Pakistani players aren't the problem at all.

That is not the truth, and to say every single Pakistani player is a problem is just pure stereotypical racism.

Oh please dude stop trying to get your right all the time.
This is about VCMP Argo crashing all the time.

All the players declare that it's due to pakistanis crashing our server.

And you gonna moan about racism and all that?

It's one thing to say that most of the server's crashes come from attacks from Pakistan. It's another thing to say that all Pakistani players are responsible for these problems and that they're all

like a parasite with their low level intelligence and terrible internet speeds.

and that this, undeniably,

is the truth

and that none of this is discriminatory at all. Do you think any legitimate players from Pakistan enjoy reading these comments? Is it funny that the manager of the VC:MP server, as well as its administration and its players, are condoning and even making these disgraceful, distasteful, and discriminatory comments? f**k no.

[JDC]

For civility's sake, I usually tone down what I post regarding certain sensitive matters. But with this kind of shit being seen from prominent members of VC:MP's administration team, I will not hold back here. I will not keep silent on this matter or condone these forms of rulebreaking, and I beg the pardon of the HQ in advance.

It's not racism as you like to call it, more like the facts. Pakistani players HAVE been crashing the server in the past, there's no question about it (this is not assumption, but a fact).

So this...

lol they're [sic] (Pakistani players) like a parasite with their low level intelligence and terrible internet speeds.

...is not racism?

I apologize, but either you have serious comprehension problems or possess an extremely racist mentality.

You call it out as racism because you never needed to deal with such problems that we did. I needed to ban like _20_ pakistani players and then block their routes AND proxies to keep them out.

In the end, I don't care if someone calls me or klaus or anyone else for that matter a racist here, if you know nothing that pakis put the admin team & VCMP community itself through (I even asked a routeblock for pakistan).

False. SA:MP has been repeatedly harassed by Israeli ban evaders as well and has even routeblocked Israel itself, yet you do not see the members of its administration team flaming and stereotyping Israeli players or Jews.

Yes, there is a problem in VC:MP that we never had to deal with in SA:MP. That problem is an administration team with members that love to condone and make racist remarks and engage in flaming, along with other acts of behavior normally found among the people who are regularly punished by the administration.

Kessu is totally right, I don't understand why people think this topic is about racism? I and a few others who know about the current situation were mentioning how several pakistani players have been attacking the server recently. You say we are stereotyping and shit but then they themselves are not proving this stereotype wrong are they?

Your rationale is in no way different from that of a person who decides to decides to justify the stereotyping of the entire black population as thieves, scoundrels, and stoners simply because a certain amount of them engage in criminal acts and drug use.

You mention how Israel was blocked on the SA:MP server because of a few ban evaders? Well I can tell you now that there are at least 3x the amount of pakistani players who attack the VC:MP server on a regular basis.

Other Argonath servers have also faced numerous attacks before, and yet you are, to date, the only server manager I have seen discriminating on players and player groups in such a manner.

So instead of jumping at us labeling us as racists, maybe you should understand why we have such an opinion in the first place. I know there are some pakis who are innocent, but they truly are the minority in the VC:MP community and they would be blind to disagree.

Owing to its bigger player base, SA:MP's admin team faces a bigger amount of rulebreakers and attacks, as well as a bigger workload. Compared to the VC:MP administration, SA:MP's staff practically have the HQ breathing down their necks with the risk of being kicked from the team if they pull off half the shit you do.

But does this lead to them possessing and publicly voicing embittered and stereotyped opinions of certain countries because of a surge of rulebreakers from that particular region that cause them a workload?

No. As a matter of fact, even an SA:MP Moderator does a better job than you, in terms of abiding by the rules of this community and working to uphold its vision and ideals. Your mind must be in an utterly small box if you think that working as an admin is measured in terms of banning rulebreakers and hackers without any regard for upholding the character that an admin is supposed to uphold as well.


It is no surprise you two would support each other here. After all, you are among the problem players in this community with your foul, discriminatory attitudes.

Both of you, Klaus and Kessu, are a complete disgrace to this community.

It is not so much in simply having made remarks about Pakistani players, but in your actions that have led to both of you becoming utter failures as members of the administration team. So what if you banned some ban evaders?

Being an admin is not all about throwing around commands and banning hackers. Members of the administration are supposed to work in order to secure Argonath as a community as free of stereotyping, and discrimination as possible, and yet both of you have decided to throw in your lot with those who are contributing to and are part of that problem.

I love this community and it pains me not only as a team member, but also as a player, to see other administration members engaging in and promoting acts of shitting and discriminating entire player groups and countries. The fact that I wrote this commentary to bite more than the usual only shows how appalled I am by your misconduct.

Both of you have forgotten that admins are also ambassadors of this community to the world, who are supposed to represent not only how we maintain order among our large player base, but also how we uphold the rules and ideals that we were tasked to when we became members of the administration. To work towards the Owners' vision for Argonath as a community where racism and discrimination are not condoned, unlike in the old days of Anke where admins acted as they wanted without any regard for a character standard.

That is what you have failed to do, as well as how you have both just proven yourselves to be complete and utter failures as admins in terms of character. Shame on you.

[Klaus]

I think you're a arrogant dimbat, but I don't waste my time writing paragraphs about it. If you got a problem with me report it to Gandalf; oh wait you already have. Not happy about his response? Tough luck. Quit hating on me and other admins as I've had enough of your crap about how bad of an admin we all are. It's funny how it's always only a small minority that think that way isn't it? Stop getting in our faces acting like your some saint since I know a couple of people who think your not a great admin either. Leave the judging to who actually employed us; the owners.

[SugarD]

I think you're a arrogant dimbat, but I don't waste my time writing paragraphs about it. If you got a problem with me report it to Gandalf; oh wait you already have. Not happy about his response? Tough luck. Quit hating on me and other admins as I've had enough of your crap about how bad of an admin we all are. It's funny how it's always only a small minority that think that way isn't it? Stop getting in our faces acting like your some saint since I know a couple of people who think your not a great admin either. Leave the judging to who actually employed us; the owners.

Does any of that being true or false allow you to flame and provoke others? It does not. Act like a Manager and stop attacking players. If you don't like his response, take your own advice and report him to the Server Owners.

In fact, let me help you out: [email protected]

[JDC]

I think you're a arrogant dimbat, but I don't waste my time writing paragraphs about it. If you got a problem with me report it to Gandalf; oh wait you already have. Not happy about his response? Tough luck. Quit hating on me and other admins as I've had enough of your crap about how bad of an admin we all are. It's funny how it's always only a small minority that think that way isn't it? Stop getting in our faces acting like your some saint since I know a couple of people who think your not a great admin either. Leave the judging to who actually employed us; the owners.

Congratulations on proving your lack of sense of self-discipline. Maybe you'd use this same rationale if you were caught abusing scripts for your own personal benefit such as adding DM arenas into the server for your own members to train with and removing them when you're done.

Fact remains, that you choose to be racist and discriminatory despite being a server manager...

[SugarD]

Congratulations on proving your lack of sense of self-discipline. Maybe you'd use this same rationale if you were caught abusing scripts for your own personal benefit such as adding DM arenas into the server for your own members to train with and removing them when you're done.

Fact remains, that you choose to be racist and discriminatory despite being a server manager...

Don't taunt him further.

[Klaus]

Congratulations on proving your lack of sense of self-discipline. Maybe you'd use this same rationale if you were caught abusing scripts for your own personal benefit such as adding DM arenas into the server for your own members to train with and removing them when you're done.

Are you actually for real? Congratulations on proving your lack of knowledge.

[SugarD]

Stop provoking each other or I'm going to issue forum warns. You are both Managers. Act like it and stop replying here.

As was said before, use the community email address if you have complaints. You can find it here:

[email protected]

Stop evading the topic lock to argue further.