RS5 Feedback

[Reece]

Hi guys,

We would like to collect your feedback on RS5 as you have experienced it so far. This can be good or bad, buggy or powerful. Whatever you wish to inform us, and the rest of the community about RS5 we want to here it.

Some examples of what we want:

- What do you like and why?
- What don't you like and why?
- What do you miss and why?
- What do you wish was different and why?
- What feature do you really like that is new and why?
- What feature do you hate that is new and why?
- Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why?

The key part of any feedback you give is WHY. Without the WHY being answered we can not give a proper response.

Feedback must be constructive, if it is not your post will be removed.

[kevinarens]

- What do you like and why?

• SAPD Training Script : New Officers will learn how things work and have to pass an exam first
• New Fire Departement Script (Ladder, Siren, Pager,) : More RP for Fireman, more teamwork
• Jurisdictions : Cops are devided, not everyone is in LS
• Groups : It is just easy

- What don't you like and why?

• Wallet,Card,Bank system : Too complicated and difficult
• ARPD is gone : No freedom for Officers anymore, and i am not sure every Officer will know the new SAPD Regulations and will follow them and act professional

- What do you miss and why?

• ARPD : i am not sure every Officer will know the new SAPD Regulations and will follow them and act professional
• PNS : If i am in a pursuit i have to call a mechanic and wait for it till it arives and fixes my car and by that time the suspect escaped..

- What do you wish was different and why?

• MORE Cop features, Example Tazer : I have not seen any new features for cops
• ARPD : i am not sure every Officer will know the new SAPD Regulations and will follow them and act professional
• Exit points: No /exit abuse

- What feature do you really like that is new and why?

• New Fire Departement Script (Ladder, Siren, Pager,) : More RP for Fireman, more teamwork

- What feature do you hate that is new and why?

• Wallet,Card,Bank system : Too complicated and difficult

- Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why?

• I like RS4 more, you don't have to build a new script.. Just improve the RS4 one..

[[NP]Monte Montague]

- What do you like and why?

Ladder but It can't be used for climbing and stuff so erm


- What don't you like and why?

- Lack of training for firemen

- can't use ladders to climb - seems wasted just for rescuing cats

- Loan doesn't give you a final option to refuse the loan offer, forces you to take the loan with the amount of interest it provides, in real life  bank history you would  have that information before finally deciding to accept or not.

-   H to enter: annoying not having /enter I suppose / having to get use to it, the text that shows you to enter using H is a bit small and you do have to look close to see it.

- The sign board on all departments - looks tacky... A sign board coming from the ground in front of LSPD would be nicer / like  a community information board or w.e.

- Being forced into a jurisdiction as a cop - I went on duty in LSPD, to patrol LS ,if I had someone waiting outside, it'd not be nice to them. People could use it just to teleport to LV.

- Unable to /su outside your jurisdiction but you can jail outside of it??? - I chased a chap from LVPD to LSPD before seeing his name, at high speed, when I did communicate to LS cops I lost him  then found him but couldn't /su him after he refused to stop. But I can jail suspects out of the Jurisdiction which seems odd.. IF you're not a LSPD cop you should not be able to jail there.

- the way in which you get options on where you want to spawn, it should be hospital for everyone me thinks.

- Fact that not many new font faces are used - for example, fancy text or GTA "WASTED" Font face could've been used for the LSPD sign board, it would have made it look nicer.

- The route going from LSPD through past Alhambra to past GS9 is not defended with any barrier or anything like the other sites are. Perhaps It could even just be a public pay phone placed cleverly or a static / non breaking Tree or lamp or sign. Anything that would prevent crazy drivers speeding around.

- What do you miss and why?
- Blue shirt skin no longer on the police force - this was very diverse skin which was useful in several ways, unless you've reserved it for a dedicated rescuer role, I would like to see it back!
- Advertising can be used by som

- What do you wish was different and why?
- Remove the hooker scripting. It's hypocritical when you see sometimes in /p in RS4 that admins say not too sexual because a younger is there, yet they can easily just go cyber sex someone over 20 years old, whilst they are some 10 year old kid. If Pedophiles could be bothered they would probably relish at the opportunity of pretending to be a girl on this community and being a hooker then taking it serious with the 10 year old boys they find on Argonath and using Argonath as a tool for their sick twisted lifestyle choice.
Either make it on the server 18+ only gamers or remove hookers, you can NOT say "don't talk this way or that way there are minors" when there is hooker job there.
If you don't see the seriousness of this situation I advise requesting real world police and child abuse charities to give the community advice on this area. 
question to any developers: would they honestly be comfortable with their minor siblings or own children behaving in such a way? People under 18 should be protected from these things, even at 18 some are not mature enough... Teens will forever be interested in Sex, but it's often they, being inexperienced and new to this area will simply be taken advantage of.
If there are players in this community who are both adults and can  manage to seduce the other to go on cam and wank with them (cough will not say who said they did  it with who, and I wasn't involved) then it would be easy for some sick adult person to force a child to do the same.
Face the reality on this issue please and remove the feature until you can fully ensure it's not used by real world pedo's.


- Disable loan system at first, the loan system will just lead to immediate stranglehold on people having money, like RS4, to begin with prior to some future RS5 BSF injection, Rs5 will risk becoming a place where only 5 out of 100 players have bank balances above $1m because they was in the right place a the right time, not even much effort . I also wish the loan system was seriously considered on how it can affect economy, it shouldn't really create a false one.
- The police skins are limited to the jurisdiction if you're going to have it, so for example, black shirt cops only for LSPD selection menu. Cowboy cop skin only available at DPD, etc.

- Paydays have to be accepted, it seems odd that someone would not accept the payday, and for a new player if a payday is made, they will not have a wallet automatically and will not be able to accept it.
- Wallet system should be changed  it doesn't make sense, like 5 types of wallets? Maybe change the names of the wallets to stuff like: leather money sack, change purse, standard wallet, universal wallet, small money bag / fanny pack , large money bag.

- What feature do you really like that is new and why?
- Ladders - because you can climb it, we need more interactive features like this - interactivity with objects is good.

- What feature do you hate that is new and why?
- not to keen on the mechanic job, hate that the PNS was removed for them... what happens when no mechanic is online?
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- Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why? Yes I do.
 Although I have not seen full RS5 I can say Rs4 seems much more user friendly. The  complexity of RS5 is annoyance, I didn't plan on coming on RS5 and having to learn more than my current Year 2 Uni Assignment to play a game  It seems over complicated / worked on and doesn't seem like the code writes had fun at all when making it, so It seems as if it is supposed to be "we did a lot so you better like it or shut up" from what is given. 
Newer features like multiple accounts is good but when you open an account you should automatically get a Card to use for the account for example, I am clueless as to how I can get a card, didn't even bother to look for bugs on it because it seems that section was one that was worked on the most so would not have much bugs. 

Generally It's like offering someone a soft drink but forcing them to decipher a series of riddles and training schemes before doing it, especially when you would result to players immediately for information and advice, which plays into a idea that older people will know more than the new players and have an advantage, will be greater, so a new player will not be respected as much because he has to ask a lot of questions, will have to follow a series of procedures.


- Not yet complete.

[Zaila]

I thought there would be more feedback considering how people are talking about RS5 on RS4 server?

[Brian]

I thought there would be more feedback considering how people are talking about RS5 on RS4 server?

Probably will come more during the week, people are busy with work/school. The topic got made last evening at around 9:30 and its 6PM now.

[Monty yate]

What do you like and why?
SAPD system -I like it because it is really tough to be in SAPD ,so that will be an opportunity for everyone to get accept in SAPD,and no one will  be free to give the test.   

Economy Script- As you can make saving account,you can get a loan,you can open a partner account and Etc.So that's really Epic!!


What don't you like and why?

None

What do you miss and why?

PNS- It was a shortcut for everyone ,now you will have to call for a mechanic to fix your car.

What do you wish was different and why?

Economy Script- As I said ,there are many accounts to be open,So that's a brilliant idea from the Scripter's ,it's really cool.

Business and house license - In RS 4.1 there was nothing such as business license or house license ,It's a nice roleplay ,you cannot illegally buy a house or a license .
 

What feature do you really like that is new and why?

Police duty point- A golden star that is really good.
Mechanic Job- It is really good ,more role play more Fun.
What feature do you hate that is new and why?

Till yet None
Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why?

I prefer Rs5 more because as it is a new version ,at one time people want something new ,they don't want the something to be re-used again and again ,So same goes here ,as there are some changes in the command ,but yet we will be get used to it.

Thank you,

[Stivi]

Or because it takes too damn long to write! :P

Will post my reply shortly.

[Kaley]

- What do you like and why? Ladders, new options in fireman job, and we can be dark blue if we pass police test.
- What don't you like and why? There is no pns, but np i can just respawn car.
- What do you miss and why? A little bit i miss RS4.1 bec this is too complicated but we will get used to it.
- What do you wish was different and why? Everything is great.
- What feature do you really like that is new and why? /ad is in better colors, and loans!
- What feature do you hate that is new and why? Economy script is too complicated and cmds are missing me, i dislike this new system.
- Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why? Hmm RS4.1 is a little bit easyer but it's all fine.

[Def Perry]

- What do you like and why?

- THESE FEATURES OF THE GROUP SYSTEM:
1. ) Official groups do not have to wait for scripters to add new ranks or do reforms. It will be an advantage for groups like SWAT to add new ranks, add new people to the ranks and permissions etc. I do like that since it is more logic than letting a SWAT Commander wait until a scripter will do it. It's good to have it for the future though this is not a big change.
2. ) Group vehicle's:  It would be cool to have a few vehicle's owned by a group of players so they could share it.

INTERIOR SYSTEM:
People are able to add objects into their house? Would be cool.

THESE FEATURES OF THE NEW FIREMAN SCRIPTS:
1. ) Cool lay out.
2. ) Missions improved.
3. ) Ladders, hell yeah.

GLASSES SCRIPTS:
We can wear glasses like before. That's cool.

HITMAN SYSTEM:
One sniper = dead? Invisible to make a silent kill? Awesome.

TRAINING SYSTEM FOR POLICE:
Good for new players.

SPAWNING SYSTEM:
In RS 4.1 we were able to pick 1 spawning spot of our choice. Now we have to make a choice out of 4 positions. Always an improvement.

ENTERING PROPERTIES:
A victory for the lazy. Glad you did not make '' F '' the command.

NEW /GU SYSTYEM:
Finally the animation and the /hail 1 animation instead of getting the annoying frozen screen.

/AREA UPDATE:
Easier to find people and interact with them.

CLOTHING SYSTEM:
Easier way of getting clothes, more realistic way.

WEAPONS GET REMOVED WHEN CARSURFING


- What don't you like and why?

- THE POLICE SCRIPT :
1. ) Jurisdiction limitations,
2. ) Removal of the free-cops, yes free-cops. You should be able to see if you are talking to a serious officer or to some volunteer.
3. ) Removal of the free cop skin.
4. ) To be added.

- The mechanic script:
1. ) First of all, you are at Tierra Robada, the most mechanics are most-likely in Los Santos. You have to wait for them to go to Tierra Robada, or you have to risk getting to Tierra Robada without blowing up.
2. ) Furthermore, the Mechanic job is really boring to do. It's just typing a command and you repaired a vehicle.
3. ) Not a lot of people will probably do it since it is boring. As result, we won't have a lot of mechanics. In conclusion we can't repair our cars.

-  A PART OF THE FIREMAN SCRIPT:
1. ) Players are making too much money too easy.
2. ) Now fireman have to wait at the station for a mission or get notified by someone else. This is boring. There should be either more missions, or something else to do for fireman at the station. (Like: 1 mission in Las Venturas, 5 minutes after one in Angel Pine, this way the same people won't get all the money)

- THE ECONOMIC SCRIPT:
Although the idea looks cool on paper, it is too complicated in practice. New players form a huge player base every day and it will take ages to learn them such a system. The RS 4.1 was a very easy script and user friendly script.
 
- GROUP SCRIPT ; DEATHMATCH POINTS :

I heard that if you want to be an official group, you have to be active for like 3 months with more than 5 players in it. Okay I like this, but now things will get more complicated again:

Groups get points for killing others/cops and this way a ''deatmatch count'' will form. This way we will be able to see and punish groups, may it be by server punishments or cash penalty's.

Now, this way you are only looking to official groups and not the groups who are here for 2 months, only deathmatching, will end up with a bad reputation and finally close the group. These are the groups who are death-matching together mainly, from my experience in Argonath I can say this.

However, it is impossible to change the limit for a group to 2 weeks, since then they would be able to sell drugs and then there would be no advantage for the official and more serious groups.

CRIMINAL SUSPECT/KILL SCORE???:

I heard about player kill points from several administrators: Players will get 1 point for a suspection or a kill. When they have 10 points it will cost them $10.000. If they have 9 points and they get jailed, it disappears and goes back to 0 points. They will also get $180 for the jailtime. Isn't this unlogic?


- What do you miss and why?

ACCESSORIES:
1. ) Where are our caps, hats etc?
2. ) Bandana's.
3. ) Every other possible thing in SAMP.

ADVERTISEMENTS SYSTEM:
1. ) System should be changed completely, it's too easy to place an advertisement.

WHY IS /USE REMOVED ?!
1.) One of the coolest features.

MORE OBJECTS LIKE LADDERS SO WE CAN HAVE MORE SCRIPTED FUN, DO NOT REMOVE /use PLEASE.

- What do you wish was different and why?

LOAN SYSTEM:
1. ) Thou shall not be able to take loans at the start, at least for 3 months.
2. ) We should be able to know the amount of interest we are supposed to pay before the loan is confirmed.
3. ) A command to view your loan, the amount you still owe the bank and how long you still have before the loan ends. (/loaninfo)

ECONOMIC SYSTEM:
Make it less complicated, though a bit like the current way.

SPAWNING SYSTEM:
1. ) Suspected people can now spawn anywhere if they relog.  Change it to the last spawn location only for people who are suspected. I mean, what the hell?
2.) After /kill you should ALWAYS end up in a HOSPITAL, this is to avoid abuse.

ALL THE THINGS WHICH I DONT LIKE TO BE REMOVED OR IMPROVED.


- What feature do you really like that is new and why?
Check question 1.

- What feature do you hate that is new and why?
Check question 2.

- Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why?

Yes - I would prefer to have the good features added to RS4.1 and make an RS4.2.

1. ) RS4 is way more user-friendly than RS5. RS5 is too complicated, if the veterans do not even understand it, let by the new players.
2. ) The police script is a huge bummer for all the police officers. Not being able to patrol with your best partner is a drama. This will really cause some players, especially from the law side, to leave.
3. ) RS4 had more objects to use and attach to your character than RS5. It's more like ''RP IT'' than scripts.
4. ) Check question 2 for more things that are unlogic and flawed about RS5.


To be continued...

updated with /gu, /area, clothing script and loan system as of 04/11 19:40

[Gmail]

- What do you like and why?
The SAPD Testing system is a great addition as it requires more skill than typing /duty, as I found out the shooting you can actually fail at if you don't have any actual skill, smae with the driving. But the question will soon be stale and everyone will just look up on google to find the answers if they don't know or understand the questions, that is why I think more dynamic questions that can shift around.

The new firemen script. Just.. holy shit you have overdone yourselves by this, from the limitless fun with ladders to actual sirens, to the incredible fire missions, 

The Mechanics, also an great addition, so is the removing of the PNS as it contributes to the Argovision of the "more player interaction" but I think it can be abused by people just ramming and asking for repairs.. simmilar to an feature we have right now Slowly looks at the medics

- What don't you like and why?
The Economy sistem, it looks like you put days if not weeks of work into it so I actually feel bad for bashing on it, but it just isn't a good feature, I liked RS4 because it was simple and I had my freedom, 1mil in hand, no cards, no wallets but now I'm restricted to having 5k in hand so I need to withdraw 5k every time I want to buy a weapon that is more than that, it is just not simple anymore, I feel like I need to be doing maths, I mean Yes ofcourse you had straight A's in math, but I don't , and I refuse to count, but with that said I'll sure get used to it, I mean the comunity had to get used to worse things..

The Speedometer, it just looks like a speedometer from a free 2 download script on samp forums, it had no thought put into making it, who's idea was it to put a speedometer in the middle right side, why not bottom left, or over the minimap.

The weapon prizes stayed the same, which I kind of understand since there will be no actual money spawned anymore, but still.. some weapons are just too damn cheap.

The jurestriction or whateverthehellthatis .. I don't understand it yet that is why I don't like it..


- What do you miss and why?
More criminal and civilian scripts?
I mean hawt damn, there are tens of thousands of lines being put into the police jobs and being a civilian is still the same as RS4. People shouldn't need to be in a job to have a crapton of possibilities for them.


- What do you wish was different and why?
The civilian thingie

- What feature do you really like that is new and why?

Like I said, the fireman job is INCREDIBLE

- What feature do you hate that is new and why?
Speedometer


- Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why?

I preffer RS4 because it's more to my style, I like the KISS rule (Keep it simple, stupid) When I log on I want all the features avilable to me but not have to use them, meaning that I don't want to waste 10 hours to figure out how to place a card in my wallet, I just want to /withdraw /deposit /wire /send,
But than again there is so much new things to do in RS5..

[Pandalink]

- What do you like and why?
- What don't you like and why?
- What do you miss and why?
- What do you wish was different and why?
- What feature do you really like that is new and why?
- What feature do you hate that is new and why?

Group System
I have yet to see it in a full working state, but it seems like it's a great script. You can set multiple founders now, which is really good, and the ranks and permissions system seem like it's really well thought out.
My only gripe with it is the complexity of the commands. I found myself having the go check /grouphelp every other command.
Also "/groupmessage [groupname] [message]" should be "/g [message]" with me able to set a primary group. Also /groupmessage isn't an option on /chatmode yet.

SAPD /duty System
I like the verbal tests, but I don't really see the point in the shooting or driving tests. In the shooting test you just mindlessly hammer your mouse button in the general direction of the target, and the driving test is just a simple Point A to Point B with no obstacles whatsoever. What about something like the driving tests in single player (with the cones and stuff)?
The jurisdiction system would be fine I guess if the player could choose their own jurisdiction. As it stands now they have to go on and off duty for ages trying to get the city they want. It's dumb and it will kill the SAPD, a little bit like the start of RS3 did.

Fireman Script
This script is great. The ladders are great. Being able to put out fires with trucks is great, and so is all of the new terrain stuff you added for the fire scenarios. The only thing I can think of right now is a way to check the location of a fire when you're not at the fire station.

Mechanics and PnS
While I like the idea of mechanics as another job option, removing the PnS is probably the worst thing about RS5.
Removing sprunk machines was one thing, since there was still a regular and static alternative (food shops) but with this there is no guarantee of there being a mechanic online. Not having Pay n' Sprays will be a deal breaker for most new players, and I eagerly await the day they're put back in when it's realised what a terrible mistake was made.

House System
I haven't had an opportunity to furnish anything yet, but I really like that you can change the interior yourself.
Also, the new text for markers (on the right side of the screen instead of across the whole thing) is great. Pressing H is also much better than /enter.

Economy System
I really like the idea that a lot of thought went into this, but as it stands now I think it's way too complicated for people to understand. I still don't really get it and I've been messing around with it for awhile ingame.

Skins System
I like the new skin purchasing system. It's neat and well organised. The only gripe I have is again the guide, it should tell you to use /pay when you are actually choosing the skins. My first time buying a skin I had to exit the shop to find that out.

Criminal Group Scripts
These don't seem to be finished/done yet. I recommend doing a big meeting with the criminal group leaders like we did for RS4 (except this time, actually script some of the ideas) to get ideas. We're not dumb, we know what stuff would be cool.

- Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why?

RS4 is way more user friendly. RS5 almost needs a huge manual just to get things working. Heck, I had to go read the entire wiki page just to work basic functions. If it's too hard for vets, it's definitely no good for new players. It has loads of good ideas, but I had to refer to the help menu too often to use them intuitively.

[Cyril]

SAPD /duty System
I like the verbal tests, but I don't really see the point in the shooting or driving tests. In the shooting test you just mindlessly hammer your mouse button in the general direction of the target, and the driving test is just a simple Point A to Point B with no obstacles whatsoever. What about something like the driving tests in single player (with the cones and stuff)?
The jurisdiction system would be fine I guess if the player could choose their own jurisdiction.

That would defeat the purpose of jurisdiction if people were able to select their jurisdiction. Everyone would just select "LS" and that's it. The rest of the map would be empty.

[Orel]

Haven't really played alot on the RS5 server so I can't say much since I didn't test much of the things but here is what I know:
- What do you like and why?
I like the SAPD exam but in my opinion the shooting and driving is useless. you dont do much like Panda said. also you should change the questions after you fail the exam once beacuse eventually everyone will remember the answers and pass it and it wont make him a good officer.
Also I like the new fireman system and some other small points that I could see.
What don't you like and why?
I dont like the jurisdiction system. if you are assigned to LV you can't suspect people in LS/SF.. also forcing people to play at some boring city which most of the time nothing happens is useless. most of the people play at LS here.

[Stivi]

• What do you like and why?
  
  -I like the hitman system, it's bugged though.
  
  -I love the /objects CMD and being able to mod our own interior! I'm gonna buy that furniture store, trust me!
  
  -I like the SAPD exam, it's quite easy, but at least it brings something to  and I'd like you guys to tell you that, when someone fails his answer, don't give him the correct alternative for the next time!
  
  -Firemen job... I love the new /ladder, it can bring so many fun memories, but it's not quite needed, as far missions as I've seen. (Montgomery one :/ ) I like the idea that you should be at the FD to actually be able to see any mission, using the /pager. This stops firemen from drug-farming. And makes them stay into the FD, probably they'll RP sometime, spending time...
  
  -I like the jurisdiction idea, some people might actually RP in San Fierro and not only pass-by the drug-spots.
  
  -I like the fact everyone is SAPD, if they pass the test, and everyone should follow the regulations of SAPD. Finally, no more DBing admirals!
  
  
  
  
• What don't you like and why?
  
  -I don't like the bank cards and the wallets idea, it's bugged and I can't judge it yet, but I'd take a lot of time to explain that into a new player.
  
  -Firemen's job... Simply, they will just have to extinguish the fire with their cannons, which brings no RP, not at all.
  
  -I hate the new /speedo font. The one we had was way better.
  
  
  
  
• What do you miss and why?
  
  -I miss the PnS'... The mechanic job won't bring any RP. In RS4 I know several people who like to RP as mechanics, but adding the mechanic job makes no sense, to me, at least. Mechanics have to type a CMD and I have to type a CMD as-well and, that's it, I'm done.
  
  
  
• What do you wish was different and why?
  
  -I wish the bank cards and wallets system was more easy to use. It takes a LOT of time to work something out.
  
  
  
• What feature do you really like that is new and why?
  
  -The /objects feature! I always wished we can mod our own houses, and now we "can".
  
  -The hitman system, "bleeding out" is a genius idea! I hope the script will be fixed in a short time.
  
  
  
• What feature do you hate that is new and why?
  
  -Can't say I can hate any.... But on the points above I've said what I like/dislike.
  
  
  
• Do you prefer RS4 to 5 and why?
  I love RS5, way more fun and I hope it's more strict!
  
  Haven't got the opportunity to test all the scripts, I'm doing reports so I can understand how script actually works and as far as I've read from the wiki, it looks promising.
  

[Pandalink]

That would defeat the purpose of jurisdiction if people were able to select their jurisdiction. Everyone would just select "LS" and that's it. The rest of the map would be empty.

Yea but if people get stuck with anything but LSPD they're not about to patrol an empty city. They'll just stay off duty until they do get LSPD.
It's a lovely idea but at the end of the day everyone will stay in LS so it doesn't work.