Some thing need to be done.

[Acika]

You can fight opponents wihtout losing your HQ or other things in RS5, however there will be somehting else at stake that you lose when you lose the fight.
The most successful criminals are the ones that can build on the edge of being caught and find smart ways not to have to kill, yet get the job done if needed.
Did you know that in MTA:VC Aragorn had as favourite kill method drowning?

Yes, there are other options, you can drown, throw him from the mountain, tie him to a GS and then blow him up, set a car bomb, but there is a BIG PROBLEM.
To do the things stated above, you need to kidnapp that person first. But when they see they're going to get kidnapp they start running away and your only option is to shot them down or to leave them.
If you leave them they will come even stronger with their friends to revenge, so you're basically forced to kill.


Let's say there's another situation.

My men and me get attacked, but we manage to defend and to kill the attackers. We will be suspects and cops will come. If 5 of us kills 1 cop, that's a total of 5 cops which will lead to a disownage of family properties. Doesnt matter will we /gu or die. If you /gu, they will stick the warrant on your head and rip off the properties, or when you die they will just take them away.

On the other hand, the 5 cops which died will not lose anything.

The most important is that it doesnt matter if you are the attacker or the defender, you're losing in both cases as criminal.

[Cyril]

Dude, being a suspect doesn't mean killing randomly, to be honest I never liked killing, but if a cop asks for it, SURE, I mean it's clear that you are improving Cops more than Criminals, cops these days are like bulls, only that instead of red they see orange and go f**king crazy, how about a cop instead of comming to me and doing /s GU! and randomly spraying me, how about make that guy RP before telling me that I did something wrong for killing him. Suspecty=/=killers, now if you want to imploment that if a suspect that actually kills gets a darker shade of color meaning that he did something bad, do that, because after I get suspected for reckless driving and shot with MP5 and in one case by a damn hunter, where is the roleplay? there are tiers of being a criminal, I'm on the tier where I will kidnap someone, throw him off a bridge and run, but I don't get shot for that, I get shot for reckless driving. Oh and after playing on MTA, Cops need 70 bullets not 300.

When I had time to play as cop, it was tried multiple times to discuss before making the suspect surrendering. However, most of the time it fails because they take the advantage that you are typing to blast you with a combat shotgun. Every cops has experienced it at least once, so now I ask every suspect to surrender first and then we talk.

[[Rstar]Razor]

It seems like I have hit a nerve, is it possibly because you realize your way of playing on the server is at threat if you want to keep it up on RS5?

It seems to me like you have more nerve than I gave you credit for. Nobody asked for trolling or provocations, remove yourself from the peacefull discussion if you dont know how to.
If you didn't had anything constructive to say why didn't you limited yourself to reading?

This has never been about me. I'm not even sure if I will be unbanned. What I do understand is this:

Civilian stalks cops - Cophunter / Copbaiter
Criminal doesnt RP at all and manages to kill all cops that are chasing him because his friends are helping him - Deathmatcher / Cophunter / Copbaiter

Cop stalks civilian - ??????
Cop doesn't RP at all and all he does is /area and go shoot suspects - A normal cop.

My point is everything that civilians/criminals do, that starts being a common practice, eventually gets labelled and admin punishment will be issued under that label.

[Gandalf]

Yes, there are other options, you can drown, throw him from the mountain, tie him to a GS and then blow him up, set a car bomb, but there is a BIG PROBLEM.
To do the things stated above, you need to kidnapp that person first. But when they see they're going to get kidnapp they start running away and your only option is to shot them down or to leave them.
If you leave them they will come even stronger with their friends to revenge, so you're basically forced to kill.


Let's say there's another situation.

My men and me get attacked, but we manage to defend and to kill the attackers. We will be suspects and cops will come. If 5 of us kills 1 cop, that's a total of 5 cops which will lead to a disownage of family properties. Doesnt matter will we /gu or die. If you /gu, they will stick the warrant on your head and rip off the properties, or when you die they will just take them away.

On the other hand, the 5 cops which died will not losing anything.

The most important is that it doesnt matter if you are the attacker or the defender, you're losing in both cases as criminal.

First of all what applies to you will apply to all others as well. This means that all are treated equal and run equal risks. Perhaps those who have more to lose will be more smart in finding the right way.

Now in your example you are making already a mistake. If someone is killed, there is one person who made the kill and is auto suspected. So why should there be 5 cops killed for that?
The one person suspected can simply go to jail and the rest continues their activities.

[Gandalf]

It seems to me like you have more nerve than I gave you credit for. Nobody asked for trolling or provocations, remove yourself from the peacefull discussion if you dont know how to.
If you didn't had anything constructive to say why didn't you limited yourself to reading?

This has never been about me. I'm not even sure if I will be unbanned. What I do understand is this:

Civilian stalks cops - Cophunter / Copbaiter
Criminal doesnt RP at all and manages to kill all cops that are chasing him because his friends are helping him - Deathmatcher / Cophunter / Copbaiter

Cop stalks civilian - ??????
Cop doesn't RP at all and all he does is /area and go shoot suspects - A normal cop.

My point is everything that civilians/criminals do, that starts being a common practice, eventually gets labelled and admin punishment will be issued under that label.

If you have a problem with cops coming after you , do not get suspected.
If all you can think of doing on server is getting suspected and doing a shootout, fin another server.

[Lustigkurre]

Reading through the pages also shows that only a few people who don't want RS5, and the rest of the comments are people saying "stop moan, why u hate rs5, i dont get why everyone hates it". Seems like everyone thinks that everyone hates it, which is not the truth if you read more than the last page

There are some people trying to explain why they don't like it. That's great.

[[Rstar]Razor]

If you have a problem with cops coming after you , do not get suspected.
If all you can think of doing on server is getting suspected and doing a shootout, fin another server.

I didn't even said anything close to that, why are you ignoring what I said? It's like your avoiding what I'm saying.
It looks like your replying to someone elses post.

[Gandalf]

Reading through the pages also shows that only a few people who don't want RS5, and the rest of the comments are people saying "stop moan, why u hate rs5, i dont get why everyone hates it". Seems like everyone thinks that everyone hates it, which is not the truth if you read more than the last page

There are some people trying to explain why they don't like it. That's great.

I agree. After all from reading what people do not like we can find ways to improve. I have learned more fomr people who give criticism as from those saying nothing.

[Acika]

First of all what applies to you will apply to all others as well. This means that all are treated equal and run equal risks. Perhaps those who have more to lose will be more smart in finding the right way.

Now in your example you are making already a mistake. If someone is killed, there is one person who made the kill and is auto suspected. So why should there be 5 cops killed for that?
The one person suspected can simply go to jail and the rest continues their activities.

We're talking about 5v5 fight which is not organised (like we didnt meet up on purpose, the attackers just poped up in front of our HQ). There won't be one suspect, there will be 2-3 suspects who will get the kills or some cop will see the fight and suspect all of us.

Doesnt matter how scenario continues afterwards it will always end bad for the criminals.

[Acika]

The point is that if i take 2 kills, Sandi (for example) takes 1 kill and Miguel 2 kills.
We, as a family, already have 5 kills total. It really doesnt matter anymore will we continue to shoot with cops or /gu and get the same punishment - losing family properties, money etc.

That's what i wanted to point out.

[Gandalf]

I didn't even said anything close to that, why are you ignoring what I said? It's like your avoiding what I'm saying.
It looks like your replying to someone elses post.

On the contrary.

Non-suspects haning around cops to get suspected: forbidden since 2006.
Suspects trying to kill as much cops as they can and going after cops to do so: forbidden since 2006.

Cops stalking civilians: this is called atrolling, however if they suspect for invalid reasons they will be suspended from duty.
Cops doing /area to find suspects: They still are required to request you to surrender unless you are already opening fire. Once again, n change since 2006.

So what was your point?

[Omar Aly]

So first you say thatthe main reason for the accounts restart is to give everyone equal chance, and that you could easily transfer the database if you wanted, and now you say the compelete opposite...

[Gandalf]

The point is that if i take 2 kills, Sandi (for example) takes 1 kill and Miguel 2 kills.
We, as a family, already have 5 kills total. It really doesnt matter anymore will we continue to shoot with cops or /gu and get the same punishment - losing family properties, money etc.

That's what i wanted to point out.

The question you have to ask is, why would 5 people pop up without reason to start shooting? Should there not be a RP reason that a shooting begins?
If you get people who pop up and shoot without reason, call the admins or call the cops. If you wish to be the big guy who shoots back, that is at your own risk. Do not want to lose things? Change your style.

[[Rstar]Razor]

On the contrary.

Non-suspects haning around cops to get suspected: forbidden since 2006.
Suspects trying to kill as much cops as they can and going after cops to do so: forbidden since 2006.

Cops stalking civilians: this is called atrolling, however if they suspect for invalid reasons they will be suspended from duty.
Cops doing /area to find suspects: They still are required to request you to surrender unless you are already opening fire. Once again, n change since 2006.

So what was your point?

Gandalf I meant.... Why do you call it suspect for invalid reasons? They could be just suspecting for getting money or for deathmatching. Why do they get suspended from duty instead of getting admin punishment like the rest of the players?

Yes they are required to ask for surrender.. My point is I've seen many cops that rather that criminals dont give up, all they want is to deathmatch. Of course, they will always be excused from this as they were just 'doing their job' .

I know those things about criminals aren't allowed... obviously right? I was trying to show my point. And that point is that criminals always get labelled from doing things that weren't in the rules. And those things will end up being part of the rules. And that's not bad. Thats great. The problem is, this system only works for criminals / suspects.

[Gandalf]

So first you say thatthe main reason for the accounts restart is to give everyone equal chance, and that you could easily transfer the database if you wanted, and now you say the compelete opposite...

There are many reasons why we could or could not reset.
Technical issues are one, practical reasons another,