Let's get real - part 2 - RS5 or RS4?

[Kaze]

Like shitting on the community and the development team who spent a lot of time of their lives that you don't even know the definition of it. Stop being ungrateful to forcelly putting your own ideas and whatever you like. Read the second post of my signature and click on it.

Quote where I am 'shitting on the community and development team'.

You guys don't get English is the problem Kaze. RS4 is never ever ever coming back unless the demands Gandalf posted are met (400 euros, and must keep 200 player average). Rather than crying for RS4 to come back, which is highly unlikely, then start trying to work with RS5 and make suggestions and legitimate arguments for changes. I myself am writing up suggestions for changes in areas I disagree with that include the economy, fire scripts, the impossible drug system, and even groups. You'll see one posted today.

I'm not going to bother with this any more. This debate will amount to nothing as we both know nothing is going to change.

[Khm]

Quote where I am 'shitting on the community and development team'.

And that's what I am doing now. 

[Rusty]

What do you expect after official status being removed?

Accounted for very very little percentage of the reason to not play (if at all).  Only few deserved to keep the status anyway, Sforza one of them.

It's getting into February now and people still trying to get RS4 back, instead of working to make RS5 a better script for everyone. 
You say you haven't bailed on the server?  Then prove it by being there in a time it needs the community, I'd have hated to see how this turned out if RS5 got released when it was supposed too.  Probably still the same shit, as people don't like change yet if one is to maintain superiority then it has to be done.  We can continue to argue back and forth about this and that in the end it'll mount up to nothing. 

"I cannot say whether things will get better if we change; what I can say is they must change if they are to get better."

[Mikal]

What do you expect after official status being removed?

Leaving because official status got removed > Shows you should never have had official status in the first place.

[Miller786]

Leaving because official status got removed > Shows you should never have had official status in the first place.

Exactly 

[Stivi]

Leaving because official status got removed > Shows you should never have had official status in the first place.

It also shows lack of respect from the HQ, for the contribution these groups made to the server.

[Jaka_Lah]

Leaving because official status got removed > Shows you should never have had official status in the first place.

Why are you taking this so one sidedly, if someone works for the official status for eight years, building an empire, building relationships stronger than this community within and all of it being ignored because of "lel new script".. there is a difference between having an official status and deserving it. It isn't the act of taking the status, it is the ignorance of the past.

[Miller786]

If the official groups dont play then why should they have official status?
We dont live in the past and the official status is not something to expose in a museum, it means that you actively play the server and the quality of your roleplay is higher...
No playtime on the server=no status, it isnt difficult to understand...

[JDC]

Leaving because official status got removed > Shows you should never have had official status in the first place.

Surprisingly, Mikal has a sensible point and I am agreeing with it.

Official status should be earned, not given on a silver platter. Despite the circumstances, as the group has earned Official status in the past, then the amount of work it should take for them to maintain in RS5 should be much less this time around, such as just staying around to help instead of having to go up the entire ladder all over again.

However, if a formerly-Official group cannot give even that reduced (as compared to the first time) contribution, then do not expect favorable chances for them to earn the status as the HQ is not known for spoon-feeding.

It also shows lack of respect from the HQ, for the contribution these groups made to the server.

I believe the idea is for an official group to show that they are continuing to work in the present, rather than taking a laurel from the past and sitting on it forever, while expecting rewards to continue coming in.

Frankly speaking, just staying around to contribute will be nowhere near as hard for an official group (to earn the status again, or more accurately, maintain it) compared to their struggle the first time they had to climb the ladder to earn it.

[Teddy]

Leaving because official status got removed > Shows you should never have had official status in the first place.

Mikal... logic... post... forums... what

[Devin]

It also shows lack of respect from the HQ, for the contribution these groups made to the server.

Sure you can call it lack of respect, none of this would have happened if groups had chosen to make the most of RS5 in regards to activity and being a part of RS5, instead walking off when RS5 beta was released and expecting their properties and ranks to remain.

As I have stated multiple times now, if groups are able to raise their activity and change their tone we can work on HQs being provided once again along with more assistance.

[Stivi]

What do you, literally, want the groups to do ? I'm pretty sure they'll work around finding a solution.

[Devin]

All that is necessary is for groups to be active, to be respectable to some degree and be a part of RS5 and the return of HQs will be possible.
I would love to give groups their HQs however it's not logical to set group HQs for those that can't be bothered to even play.

[Jaka_Lah]

I'm sorry but did you get a PhD in bullshit?
I would love to see those rules written down by a community leader.
Official statuses weren't taken because of inactivity, they were because of script change, which reffers me to my first point, where did you get your degree?

I refuse to acknowledge mikal having a point and I will do everything in my power to reject it.

Sure you can call it lack of respect, none of this would have happened if groups had chosen to make the most of RS5 in regards to activity and being a part of RS5, instead walking off when RS5 beta was released and expecting their properties and ranks to remain.

As I have stated multiple times now, if groups are able to raise their activity and change their tone we can work on HQs being provided once again along with more assistance.

Nobody was forced to beta test it, why would anyone want to play on a glitchy, buggy platform, why would you force anyone upon that, your argument makes no sense as you're saying you want the worst for them.. official groups aren't some sort of slaves, they're something smaller groups should look up to.

All that is necessary is for groups to be active, to be respectable to some degree and be a part of RS5 and the return of HQs will be possible.
I would love to give groups their HQs however it's not logical to set group HQs for those that can't be bothered to even play.

It isn't a time where people come to play, school, work, life, you have taken their statuses unfairly and haven't given them enough time to get back on their feet, some people need time to accept defeat, get back on their feet and regain their power in the city.. what you have done was shoot yourself in the foot, I mean I don't take it personally as I don't even play the game but I find it hilarious how the players lose all interest and respect and than you shove even this into their face.

[Teddy]

I refuse to acknowledge mikal having a point and I will do everything in my power to reject it.

Trust me.. it shocked the hell out of all of us. I'm still in disbelief.