Let's get real - part 2 - RS5 or RS4?

[Acika]

As I have mentioned before, if groups decided to be active instead of disappearing things would have been considered, and one of those is their HQ being set for them.
Instead groups chose to leave because somehow you can't roleplay on a roleplay server as there's no weapons or vehicles to buy yet?

Now of course, we are not going to run around setting the groups HQs if the groups themselves can't show a sign of existence what so ever.

You want from criminal groups to be in game and to chat with eachother.
We're already communicating with eachother over skype, facebook, whatsapp, viber, there's really no point to join a game to chat, because apperently the only things you can do on the server is driving a blista compact around the map, spraying fire and chatting with others, where's the fun in that ?
If you have fun while doing that, the other 100 players dont.


I dont see a problem to set few properties and 20 cars.

Criminal groups dont have any interest to play as being a criminal on RS5 is a big waste of time and money, it's not even fun.
So im telling you, give them a reason to play. It's a small job for you and it's a big for the server, if it's not too late already.

[Rusty]

You're the group leader what is it YOU want so it would give reason to play besides HQ's and vehicles.  Maybe then server leadership can get a better understanding and work towards it.

[Cofiliano]

As I have mentioned before, if groups decided to be active instead of disappearing things would have been considered, and one of those is their HQ being set for them.
Instead groups chose to leave because somehow you can't roleplay on a roleplay server as there's no weapons or vehicles to buy yet?

Now of course, we are not going to run around setting the groups HQs if the groups themselves can't show a sign of existence what so ever.

But that again, is your fault. No one stopped you in doing all those things while everyone was still around, now when you made this among many mistakes, you expect us to come and give our time again so you'll be able to fix the mistakes you made.
That's called switching responsibility.

[Kaze]

Almost 100 people participated in the vote. 50 of us voted for the return of RS4.

Its bad enough the player's opinions are being ignored but ignoring the statistics infront of you? 

[JDC]

Almost 100 people participated in the vote. 50 of us voted for the return of RS4.

Its bad enough the player's opinions are being ignored but ignoring the statistics infront of you? 

"50 frenchmen can't be wrong" is a well-known logical fallacy; what a significant number want does not always constitute the best option.

Going back to RS4 means discarding progressive ideas that the players themselves have suggested over the years. It means insulting and disregarding years of hard work (with no pay) that Argonath developers put in. It means reverting to a technologically inferior gamemode, where more data components have become obsolete. If those of you here with experience in programming/developing looked at the specifics, you will see even more reasons not to revert to RS4.

Regardless of the gamemode, there will be complaints. Ironically, those who are complaining about the RS5 reset may be just asking for another. The best option for SA:MP is to move forward and make the best of that.

[AK47]

It seems I was misunderstood. What I meant to say is that it could be beneficial to convert RS4 accounts and their stats into a format suitable for RS5, allowing to keep both RS5 scripts and players' assets. This could take a lot of effort, but it could also save the time required to build an economy from scratch.

[Ted]

Barely anyone was around during and after RS5's release so how could we have done those things to begin with.

[Rusty]

Barely anyone was around during and after RS5's release so how could we have done those things to begin with.

Don't forget how little people actually BETA tested it on the server when RS4 was still up, things could have been pointed out back in November.

[Kingston]

I have to honestly say that i have liked RS4 more than RS5. The reason of this is that I personally think the RS5 server is too advanced for me since the last time I checked. RS4 was simple and lagless. My game ran smooth without problems but when I go to RS5, i start lagging and then I suddenly don't feel like playing. I would love to get back to playing in RS4. I can't forget the NBA Idlewood times, the fun events, & especially the groves from grove street.
I wish i could play RS4 again :/

[Castle]

No doubt, RS4.

[Cofiliano]

You guys from the scripting team must understand one thing-No one is blaming you, nor is pointing at you, you people did a lot of hard work, gave time and energy into this, and for that you have unlimited respect from every normal person.

Now, I'll talk only about the area I'm mostly focused on.

Not a single leader of a single criminal faction was brought into at least consulting about parts of script that concern the majority of the server on which the entire interaction of the server exists-criminals.
Not a single beta tester as well.
Not a single meeting or briefing was made with anyone about our point of view on the whole matter, suggestions, proposals, solutions, ideas.

And yes we asked for all of those, from first to the last proposal, and we got decline.  And when I say 'We' I dont mean Gvardia.

Unfortunately exactly all of the mentioned above lead to the criminal script that made all criminal group and criminal players in general vanish, and with it the majority of players.
@Rusty+Ted
As soon as the BETA server was released, everything was already made, and it was too late.

[Devin]

The image and plan for RS5 was designed and setup by Gandalf.
I will agree that things would have been a fair bit smoother if groups and players had been addressed with thoughts on changes, ideas from different locations can often lead to further productivity.

However one thing that is being done at the moment is ARUN being created and setup to be an official means for groups to voice their concerns, opinions and suggestions which will then be discussed between other ARUN members and the servers HQ members thus allowing direct communication.

If there are serious concerns and or suggestions for change that is necessary it can be taken further and changes to the systems will be considered.

[Rusty]

You could have pointed things out in the BETA, it was there so stuff could get improved/changed/etc.  No one bothered.

SAPD were never consulted on the stuff that was put into the Police script, start of January the developers opened a topic in our command boards to discuss with us.  This should have also been done alongside the criminal groups (via ARUN), communication between developers>players hasn't been spectacular.  It isn't to late on for you to do something, if you want to get it sorted take it upon yourselves to directly go to the developers and let your voice be heard.  If you aren't willing to then I guess this problem will exist for a long-time coming.

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up.

No-one wants to see Argonath's largest and most reputable groups cease to exist on SA:MP. 

[Alfreddo.]

Cheaters!
You voted with ur main forum account and with a fake  one (Mostly rs5 voters,I wont tell names also).

[Kaze]

"50 frenchmen can't be wrong" is a well-known logical fallacy; what a significant number want does not always constitute the best option.

Going back to RS4 means discarding progressive ideas that the players themselves have suggested over the years. It means insulting and disregarding years of hard work (with no pay) that Argonath developers put in. It means reverting to a technologically inferior gamemode, where more data components have become obsolete. If those of you here with experience in programming/developing looked at the specifics, you will see even more reasons not to revert to RS4.

Regardless of the gamemode, there will be complaints. Ironically, those who are complaining about the RS5 reset may be just asking for another. The best option for SA:MP is to move forward and make the best of that.

I get it, you are a programmer who thinks about everything from a programmer's perspective. But in all honesty who really gives a f**k about programming within a game? Its a game, its about having fun. The release of RS5 pulled away something that we all had, fun.

Like I mentioned before, despite the players's views statistics also show that RS5 was a bad move.

The vote says it all.
The players in-game says it all.

RS4 had over 100 players
RS5 now is struggling to reach 20 players.

You cant hide from the statistics. Numbers are everything.

Cheaters!
You voted with ur main forum account and with a fake  one (Mostly rs5 voters,I wont tell names also).

The vote is pretty much useless anyway.. we all know they are not going to change anything.