Let's get real - part 2 - RS5 or RS4?

[Petarda]

With all due respect, the SA:MP community has been the most active, and the most thriving community out of all Argonath servers prior to the implementation of RS5 (as far as I know, please correct me if I am wrong).

And it was full of people that had no idea what are they supposed to do on the server.

[Jaka_Lah]

With all due respect, the SA:MP community has been the most active, and the most thriving community out of all Argonath servers prior to the implementation of RS5 (as far as I know, please correct me if I am wrong). Many of us were a part of it - I was a part of it. So do forgive me if I sound selfish when I say I want to revive my old community. Many of us would not be here right now if we weren't interested in ArgonathRPG SA:MP in the first place.

That is because you weren't here before, and neither was I, the community was founded on MTA VC as far as I know and that died, next big thing was SAMP which is slowly dying, now IVMP is gaining popularity, and MTA SA, it isn't one thing that leads a community, as far as I know SAMP brought the most stupid people, I was one of them, but after 5 years I know my place here. SAMP brought a lot of new players but also a ton of people that were tearing the comunity apart, there were no DDOS attacks before SAMP,.. Stop looking at one thing, make your perspective broader.

[Mopreme]

next big thing was SAMP which is slowly dying

I've been saying that myself. But it still amazes me how so many actually believe it would be dying even if RS4 remained.
It is dying because of RS5. Period. Face the facts.

[eymas]

It is dying because of RS5. Period. Face the facts.

Opinions*

Keep blaming the tool for bending the nail.
Is it that hard to understand that the players who left chose to do it as such, and that the ones that leave behind either accept it or stay around chanting doom and despair?

If you wish to have it dead; Leave. We don't need people who keep shoving dirt in the bowl.
If you wish to help keeping a cornerstone alive; Provide assistance properly.

[JDC]

It is dying because of RS5. Period. Face the facts.

Your observation is flawed as it does not take into account all major factors affecting the playerbase, including but not limited to:

1. Age of SA:MP. Some of you will argue that other servers maintain high amounts of players, but if you will look at the global server list now, you will see that even the amount of servers is far below what it was in the 2009-2011 years.

2. Age of GTA:SA[. While San Andreas is a cult classic, it is still an old game that isn't getting any younger. Just like Vice City, an increasing majority of its remaining playerbase are modders / mod users.

3. Age of players. Many of our old regulars who left, even before RS5, do so because of real life reasons. As time passes by, we get older and gain more RL obligations such as college, university, jobs, and maybe even family. This means you will not have as much time for the gaming community as you used to. (Side note: Former Argonath scripter Haldir / [R*]wdoyle2 is getting married in the next 2 months. Congratulations!)

4. Inactive Developers / Admins. At this point, half of the administration and less than a third of the HQ are active. This is bound to affect the players.

5. MTA:SA and IV:MP / MultiV. This is in no way pinpointing, but just stating the fact that people have more options to try out now, and as such some will move their focus to other things than SA:MP.

RS5 or no RS5, those five factors will still affect the playerbase and bring down player count.

Also, everything Leon just said.

[KelviNC]

How do you explain addition of wallet system or pickpocket ?
1.Addition of wallet system
-Leads to RP in no way
- Has eradicated the use of /pickpocket to 98%

2. Addition of Pick Pocket
- It leads to RP for only those interested in an RP otherwise it leads to a shootout.
- Newbies become angry if they get pick-pocketed and may lead themselves to DM or revengekilling.

1. Use of wallet:
- As you stated that there is no way to RP, of the wallet system. No, not really mate. It's up to the player that he properly use the wallet system through "ROLEPLAY".
- Wallet are added for the prevention of your own money. It saves your money from getting stole.
- As our scripters has added a new command, /pickpocket. If you would save your money into the wallet, no one would be able to steal your money.

2. Addition of command /pickpocket:
- You stated that, "those interested in an RP otherwise it leads to a shootout." Why to think negative? You can be one who RP'es /pickpocket.
- According to my knowledge, you cannot /pickpocket newbies.

[Slavik]

you cannot /pickpocket newbies.

True that.

[Manas]

1. Use of wallet:
- As you stated that there is no way to RP, of the wallet system. No, not really mate. It's up to the player that he properly use the wallet system through "ROLEPLAY".

- According to my knowledge, you cannot /pickpocket newbies.

Such things even existed in rs4 , that needed just an imaginative mind. Addition of that became a complexity now, like transferring loose change to wallet just after firemissions or any other income. You even cant deposit money in ATM without using wallet. And commands like /addcard and all have made it complex. In rs4 we had just deposit . Withdraw money. That was awesome and other things could have been RPed imaginatively.

Coming to /pickpocket, all the newbies, to end their newbie time buy wallets and it has become a habit of storing in wallet. So the use of /pickpocket is almost dead. It was of no use, you say that you can RP it. We could have RPEd the same in rs4 too. No need for addition of complex commands like /activecard and shit

[Stivi]

Much complexity, very hard, wow

Then you better attend the school, I'm sure I was taught to read in first grade, don't know about you.

It's not hard to put a bank card in your wallet, however, explaining it to a newbie could be somehow hard. Not complex. Changes were made to the system so it's easier now than it was.

[Frank_Hawk]

Taking into consideration the comments from both sides of the fence over the last 68 pages, we must now look to the most factual representation of the community’s wish which is ultimately the poll that has taken place. Over the course of weeks, more than 239 players have contributed to the poll and as it stands we have an absolute majority (53.8%) in favour of rolling back to RS4.



Reflecting on the results, the management/owner cannot stand idly by and disregard the collective voice of the community. It is clear by absolute majority that the community wish is to return to RS4 and in view of this all options must now be explored. Indirectly, this is supported by Gandalf’s commission to introduce a more democratic decision making society in Argonath and what better way to build this momentum by honouring the desire of the community to return to RS4.

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

RS5 script maybe looks like a great improvment in ArgonathRPG, but infact it is mroe like this:

1. It is difficult for newcomers. Fact is that people who are rather new to SA:MP will view this script as way too complicated.

2. RS5 is full of bugs. Every day i see tons of people complaining on main chat about all sorts of bugs. The most annoying is the one which makes you loose all your weapons after relogging, and also after quiting fireman job.

3. Playerbase fell alot.

4. Shure, jobs that have been added (like mechanich  job) are good in a way that they require RP to be done, but with server being empty all the time (by empty i mean 10 players all day long except at night when there is no more than 30 players) and tons of players not willing to roleplay, people cannot earn money. Over half of players are on cop duty, other half are either crinimal gorups or civilians, but without jobs, they dont have cash, and without cash they have no will to do criminal RP because if they get shot by cops they will loose that small amount of money they have.

If you ask me, RS5 compleatly ruined Argonath. In this period of the day, there were 100+ players, sometimes even 150 while Argo was using RS4, but now there is 30 max. The server is compleatly ruined. There is barely a dozen of people who are willing to RP, but damn, that is not much at all, and not to mention that they are not always online, so there is regularly around 5, 6 people online that are actually willing to RP.

Now, i know that a rain of comments will come on me telling that this aint truth, BUT THIS IS the ABSOLUTE truth. Argo is ruined, and there is NO argument that can proove me wrong. Dont trust me? Look at the pole, majority of players thing the same.

Also, when RS5 came out, alot of people told me "Wait, give RS5 two, three months, it will drasticly improve". Well 4 months have passed, and NO improvment. Sad, but harsh truth. Think about it please, i cant watch the server fall apart like this.

That is all from me.

[Lincoln.]

Nicely said, Aleksandar.

[Stivi]

If you're saying RS5 didn't improve since BETA, you're wrong. I do agree and disagree with few comments but can't reply ATM...

[Bruce.]

1. It is difficult for newcomers. Fact is that people who are rather new to SA:MP will view this script as way too complicated.

Well If you start every server in SA:MP if u are new in it, every server and every script will be complicated, cause u are new and u never saw them before.

2. RS5 is full of bugs. Every day i see tons of people complaining on main chat about all sorts of bugs. The most annoying is the one which makes you loose all your weapons after relogging, and also after quiting fireman job.

If people know that weapon system bugs when u relog, why do they even buy a shitload of weapons, if u buy less weapons you will not feel the bug.

3. Playerbase fell alot.

Indeed it fell alot, but never say never.

If you ask me, RS5 compleatly ruined Argonath. In this period of the day, there were 100+ players, sometimes even 150 while Argo was using RS4, but now there is 30 max. The server is compleatly ruined. There is barely a dozen of people who are willing to RP, but damn, that is not much at all, and not to mention that they are not always online, so there is regularly around 5, 6 people online that are actually willing to RP.

Everyone has to move forward one day, don't you think so?
The funny thing is that people were like OMG RS5 IS COMMING OMG OMG I CANT WAIT and things like that, and what did they said when RS5 was launched? Fuck RS5 that's what people said.

Now, i know that a rain of comments will come on me telling that this aint truth, BUT THIS IS the ABSOLUTE truth. Argo is ruined, and there is NO argument that can proove me wrong. Dont trust me? Look at the pole, majority of players thing the same.

Argonath SA:MP server is ruined, and everyone can notice that, but why don't everyone that is active in forums, which is the real amount of players that were active as hell in RS4 go in RS5 and have fun with each other like everyone used to have in RS4.

[Mopreme]

and have fun

How can you have fun? Juve are not even in the Champions League anymore, but yeah you're ahead in the league so just have fun there


The usual "have fun" answer can be said to practically anything.