History Lesson

[Archie]

Weren't Croatians as well as even some Bosniaks accused of war crimes? Because I remember very clearly having read a couple of articles on that, but I cannot recall their names. How are you being punished exactly? The responsible people are either dead or locked up, and the UN bombings are comparable with the Hiroshima atomic bomb disaster in terms of reasoning. The Yugoslavian army proceeded the war even after all the warnings. Now, Serbia is on its way into the EU so I fail to see who exactly you refer to. Also, in terms of punishing Americans, I agree, but that's another point.

Well, why NATO has been created?

[Borus]

Well, why NATO has been created?

It was created in 1945 after the second World War. At first, its duty consisted of keeping world peace, but throughout history, it kind off lost it's true meaning and became more of a counter-alliance against the Soviet Union during the cold war up until the day of today. Hence it proved its uselessness during multiple war crimes after WW2, like the Rwandan genocide as well. Not sure how that question is relevant, but you could've googled it yourself.

[Archie]

It was created in 1945 after the second World War. At first, its duty consisted of keeping world peace, but throughout history, it kind off lost it's true meaning and became more of a counter-alliance against the Soviet Union during the cold war up until the day of today. Hence it proved its uselessness during multiple war crimes after WW2, like the Rwandan genocide as well. Not sure how that question is relevant, but you could've googled it yourself.

Lol, I didn't ask its definition. Asking why haven't it tried to keep world peace while murder in Srebrenica? Is it enough to making Srebrenica a secured place? Why Tom Karremans didn't prevent murder? Mladic is a still criminal, why didn't he jailed?

[Borus]

Lol, I didn't ask its definition. Asking why haven't it tried to keep world peace while murder in Srebrenica? Is it enough to making Srebrenica a secured place? Why Tom Karremans didn't prevent murder? Mladic is a still criminal, why didn't he jailed?

You asked why it was created, so I gave you the reasons. Now, why it didn't intervene in time, is a lot more complex than that. When the war started, and reached the events of Srebrenica, there was a lot of deceit from Mladic' side. He kept the war in the dark to the outsiders, stating that it wasn't an invasion nor war, and NATO had no legal authority to intervene, etc. which proved how truly useless they were (are?). Some people even claim that the bombings by the end of the war were illegal. I don't know about that as much, but if it was, it simply shows the paradox of democracy. Legal vs. illegal =/= Justice vs. injustice. The Yugoslav army could do whatever they wanted due to NATO's bureaucratic system and protocols, which in the end just hit them right back in the face. Same with Rwanda and all other examples out there. Perhaps even Libya and Syria could be compared.

Mladic went into hiding after the war and wasn't immediately traced. Funny though because he didn't even live a life in reclusive circumstances, meaning he WAS kept in the dark by the people around him, and mostprobably even the government, until they decided to finally hand him over in order to join the EU. He is currently jailed in The Hague in the Netherlands, and being processed for his actions.

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

Lol, I didn't ask its definition. Asking why haven't it tried to keep world peace while murder in Srebrenica? Is it enough to making Srebrenica a secured place? Why Tom Karremans didn't prevent murder? Mladic is a still criminal, why didn't he jailed?

Mate, Mladic is in jail for some years now!

Weren't Croatians as well as even some Bosniaks accused of war crimes? Because I remember very clearly having read a couple of articles on that, but I cannot recall their names. How are you being punished exactly? The responsible people are either dead or locked up, and the UN bombings are comparable with the Hiroshima atomic bomb disaster in terms of reasoning. The Yugoslavian army proceeded the war even after all the warnings. Now, Serbia is on its way into the EU so I fail to see who exactly you refer to. Also, in terms of punishing Americans, I agree, but that's another point.

My apologies, i ment:

Serbian war criminals are in Hague for war  crimes whislt Croatian war criminals are free.

[Borus]

My apologies, i ment:

Serbian war criminals are in Hague for war  crimes whislt Croatian war criminals are free.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_the_former_Yugoslavia
Under  'Indictees', you can see procecutions on a Croatian (Ante Gotovina) and a Kosovan (Ramush Haradinaj) as well, for example.

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

You asked why it was created, so I gave you the reasons. Now, why it didn't intervene in time, is a lot more complex than that. When the war started, and reached the events of Srebrenica, there was a lot of deceit from Mladic' side. He kept the war in the dark to the outsiders, stating that it wasn't an invasion nor war, and NATO had no legal authority to intervene, etc. which proved how truly useless they were (are?). Some people even claim that the bombings by the end of the war were illegal. I don't know about that as much, but if it was, it simply shows the paradox of democracy. Legal vs. illegal =/= Justice vs. injustice. The Yugoslav army could do whatever they wanted due to NATO's bureaucratic system and protocols, which in the end just hit them right back in the face. Same with Rwanda and all other examples out there. Perhaps even Libya and Syria could be compared.

That is correct. NATO had NO authority to intervent on the Balkans. Also, this is the way i see it:

When 2 countries go to war, let them. Why the hell should 7 more countries intervent and risk a new WW? Nothing positive will happen, and the ground will be stained with the blood of 7 more nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Tribunal_for_the_former_Yugoslavia
Under  'Indictees', you can see procecutions on a Croatian (Ante Gotovina) and a Kosovan (Ramush Haradinaj) as well, for example.

Ante Gotovina - war criminal in the rank of Ratko Mladic is released. Ratko is still in Jail, Seselj is still in jail, Karadzic is still in jail...

Also, did not know that Ramush was in Hague.

[Archie]

Mate, Mladic is in jail for some years now!

Ok, my fault. But UN helped(!) citizens of Srebrenica, right? Is helping mean sent only 1 war plane? And government of Netherlands took all weapons of Bosniaks, why? Because they helped Serbs to murder.

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

Ok, my fault. But UN helped(!) citizens of Srebrenica, right? Is helping mean sent only 1 war plane? And government of Netherlands took all weapons of Bosniaks, why? Because they helped Serbs to murder.

Basicly, the easies way to describe staus of Balkans on an easiest way possible: Everyone is fucking everyone.

[Archie]

Basicly, the easies way to describe staus of Balkans on an easiest way possible: Everyone is f**king everyone.

Armies of Balkan countries' killing innocent civilians. Why lots of people murdering?

[Eps_Smalls]

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[Borus]

That is correct. NATO had NO authority to intervent on the Balkans. Also, this is the way i see it:

When 2 countries go to war, let them. Why the hell should 7 more countries intervent and risk a new WW? Nothing positive will happen, and the ground will be stained with the blood of 7 more nations.

Because it's not the 16th century? NATO would've been of some kind of value if it would actually look upon the situation and intervene if the people (civilians =/= soldiers =/= war) are in danger unrelated to protocols.

Ante Gotovina - war criminal in the rank of Ratko Mladic is released. Ratko is still in Jail, Seselj is still in jail, Karadzic is still in jail...

Also, did not know that Ramush was in Hague.

Croatian's Liberation war, as I see it, was more of a 'war' than Bosnia. By this I mean, by your opinion, you find that war should not be intervened with. Now, what happened in Bosnia is a tad more complex than only a 'war' between two or more parties. During the 90ies unrest in the Balkans, the only genocide (which is still a horrendous act against man kind) that was classified was the Srebrenica massacre. Now as I see it, the judges in The Hague obviously weigh a genocide (killing of armless and defenceless civilians for ethnic cleansing) more than a war (where both parties fight eachother, but are able to defend themselves).

[Huntsman]

I have a very good song that describes Lithuanian-Poland Commonwealth

[Huntsman]

No you're right, the topic is to flood it with Lithuana, a country no one gives a shit about.

Implying anyone gives a shit about your psychotic murderous balkans.

[aleksandar_gojkovic]

Implying anyone gives a shit about your psychotic murderous balkans.

Most wars have been fought over Balkans than anything. So many blood spilled, just to get that small piece of Earth. Reason? It was and is the link of east and west. JUST IN SERBIA, you can find EVERY SINGLE ONE METAL from the mendelevs system of elements. Now, the fact that we are torn apart because of wars is another story... Anyway, Balkan is extreamly important

Because it's not the 16th century? NATO would've been of some kind of value if it would actually look upon the situation and intervene if the people (civilians =/= soldiers =/= war) are in danger unrelated to protocols.
Croatian's Liberation war, as I see it, was more of a 'war' than Bosnia. By this I mean, by your opinion, you find that war should not be intervened with. Now, what happened in Bosnia is a tad more complex than only a 'war' between two or more parties. During the 90ies unrest in the Balkans, the only genocide (which is still a horrendous act against man kind) that was classified was the Srebrenica massacre. Now as I see it, the judges in The Hague obviously weigh a genocide (killing of armless and defenceless civilians for ethnic cleansing) more than a war (where both parties fight eachother, but are able to defend themselves).

If only international laws are made for everyone, we wouldnt be having this discussion right now