Things to be pointed out.

[Talya_taya]

This is my interpretation of the rules, I might be wrong with some parts of rules so it will be the best if you ask managers / community owners / server owners about some specific rule that you don't understand in total.

Sad thing is , there are different rules for each admin, for some people, it seems like it is a rulebreak, for some other it doesnt seem like it is a rulebreak.

This is why in real life, there are written laws... In ArgonathRPG servers, sadly Argonath Vision disables to set complex rules but this doesnt mean there are complex rules, there are but they are just not written to prevent confusion for new players, but this time players side remain defenceless or unaware of their rights... It is why, even if you deny "hidden rules' " existence,  which there are(but just called like this cos not all are written), people will keep abusing it, with being aware or without being aware of them. It is why there must be a detailed rule list... But I know , there wont be, so people will become banned, or when you just ban some people, you ll never know if they for real constantly rulebroke or not.. - Personal Experience...

[Batta]

We would need legislators for that, Talya. And lawyers instead of Admins..

[JDC]

Dino kinda busy, didn't answer me.. so let's just finish it here as it kinda looks like a right place ;p

Can all of you guys please state all the differences between LCPD Officers and Freecops..

Like: Freecops can shoot on suspects after the suspect crashed and just returned back.. or freecops can pullover with only just siren warnings etc

And yeah, all of these, let's call it "hidden" rules should maybe be summed into one topic as well as the differences between freecops - officers

In SA:MP, one of the big problems was new player discrimination and attempts by regulars and "veterans" to segregate the new players instead of teaching them. I hope IV:MP players are not starting to lean towards that mindset.

Regardless of Argonath server, all rights accorded to players (apart from those mandated by position, such as LCPD command's right to revoke badges/ranks, or admins' rights to enforce order, authority given by script / HQ-enforced protocols, etc.) that follow our rules are the same:

2.   Argonath gives equal rights to new, experienced and admin players. We do not discriminate between players, and having admin rights or being a long time player does not give any of our players rights to act as better, higher or having more status as another. (Source)

As for "hidden rules" (the term concerns me), there should be none. Players are bound by server rules, admin orders, and LCPD procedures, but there should be no "hidden rules" that can be whipped out to be used against them.

4.   Argonath strives to keep rules simple and understandable. Our community was created as free RP, based on imagination and creativity. We will not ever support it changing in to a jungle of rules that are impossible to understand, follow and adhere to. Our rules will remain the minimal needed to stop players who wish to disturb the fun in playing from doing so, not more and not less.

As for admins "having different rules", all admins are given the freedom to use their judgment (which has to be trusted in order for them to be chosen as admins) when deciding on player cases, but they are governed by the same policy, despite the different tolerance levels / strictness of each admin.

Matters like these are not an issue of one server alone, as there are things set in Argonath that hold true for all servers. I could not help but worry after seeing the refusal of some regular players to teach unruly freecops to become better officers and supporting script restriction of them instead, something that was also common in SA:MP. SA:MP developers' solution was to remove all freecops and make every law enforcer an SAPD Officer (Senior Officer+ needs an interview/application however) after a simple police test, thus placing each and every law enforcer under the command of higher ranks.

Imposing unnecessary restrictions and discrimination may not be your intentions, but even so, that may be where you end up if you end up crossing the line at some point in the pursuit of order. Just a friendly reminder to prevent that from happening.

[Mihail Junkovich]

don't grab that "hidden" like it's literally that.. I used that term because it is not stated anywhere and it's rather explained with some other, a bit more wider rule [ Like the ones for abuses of scripts and the specific abuse of i.e. /resetspawn ]

I don't know where did you heard that - freecops can use only sirens to pull over as most of new players are driving around the city with sirens on. It's stupid not to use /m1 /m2 /m3 as it makes job more easier and RP more real therefore enjoyable.

This is my interpretation of the rules, I might be wrong with some parts of rules so it will be the best if you ask managers / community owners / server owners about some specific rule that you don't understand in total.

Well I did ask managers.. and the first, most logical question was. What do you do when a police turn on it's sirens and drives behind your car?
I couldn't argue against that as the point is quite clear, no need for megaphone

As I said.. I didn't clarify all of it, all the differences I mean..  that is why I am asking from all of you to clear it up all once and for all ^^

[Talya_taya]

Another point... Half of admins say u need /m , half says u dont need /m ... and we re being "Huh?" XD

[Undertaker]

Another point... Half of admins say u need /m , half says u dont need /m ... and we re being "Huh?" XD

ARPD Officers are not obligated to use megaphone when performing a traffic stop but sirens/lights are a must.

[BojanS]

http://wiki.argonathrpg.com/index.php/Argonath_Rules
And there is ----> *Abusing any script will result in punishment.

[Talya_taya]

ARPD Officers are not obligated to use megaphone when performing a traffic stop but sirens/lights are a must.

How civilians will know if a cop is after them or just try to pass through? If we stop for each siren on cop car, uhhhh from south to north of 1st island, 30 mins ? ^^

[BojanS]

How civilians will know if a cop is after them or just try to pass through? If we stop for each siren on cop car, uhhhh from south to north of 1st island, 30 mins ? ^^

Wait, seriously? When you see/hear vehicle with emergency lights behind you, lower the speed, move to the side of the road and let him pass. If Police Officers are after you, they will stay behind you right? If not, they will just pass you and be thankful you moved and didn't endanger yourself/officers/other people. It's so simple...

[Talya_taya]

Wait, seriously? When you see/hear vehicle with emergency lights behind you, lower the speed, move to the side of the road and let him pass. If Police Officers are after you, they will stay behind you right? If not, they will just pass you and be thankful you moved and didn't endanger yourself/officers/other people. It's so simple...

People doesnt have to stop when there is a siren on, they have to go right and open a fine way for the emergency vehicle to move on, while civilians have right to keep driving on other lanes than emergency vehicle is using.. >.<

[Mark]

People doesnt have to stop when there is a siren on, they have to go right and open a fine way for the emergency vehicle to move on, while civilians have right to keep driving on other lanes than emergency vehicle is using.. >.<

Thats why , i think , freecops must use /M for pullover someone. I dont think that in real life police come behind you with sirens on and doesnt give a signal for stop. If i hear sirens , i reduce my speed and go on the side , as talya said , for make the emergency vehicle have enough space.
If i want to pullover someone , i give him a signal , in this case i use the megaphone.

[BojanS]

Thats why , i think , freecops must use /M for pullover someone. I dont think that in real life police come behind you with sirens on and doesnt give a signal for stop. If i hear sirens , i reduce my speed and go on the side , as talya said , for make the emergency vehicle have enough space.
If i want to pullover someone , i give him a signal , in this case i use the megaphone.

Yes, so if they aren't after you, they will proceed. If they are after you, they will stay behind you. That seems pretty clear.

[Talya_taya]

Yes, so if they aren't after you, they will proceed. If they are after you, they will stay behind you. That seems pretty clear.

The thing you say is clear, but the part of freecops and their non-understandable behaviors is not clear. ^^"

[Valentine]

Wait, seriously? When you see/hear vehicle with emergency lights behind you, lower the speed, move to the side of the road and let him pass. If Police Officers are after you, they will stay behind you right? If not, they will just pass you and be thankful you moved and didn't endanger yourself/officers/other people. It's so simple...

Agree with this +1

[Talya_taya]

A day , just cos of LCPD , I ll leave this server but... lets see when it will be...