Enough is enough, the rules apply for all

[Manoni]

Every cop that commit such actions shall be handled by the administration team, not the other law units in game nor the SAPD at forums. If someone stills getting a respond like that coming from a member of the administration, don't hesitate to speak about it with another one as this is well known.

Coming from my side, being part of a law organization, I can tell that I've encountered with many officers like the ones you are saying, Cofi. And yet, I've been experiencing the same situation as you and many others while I'm not on duty. Plenty of these can be handled by the SAPD and/or the FBI depending on the situation and they can get their badge removed for days and receive verbal warnings as most as possible but still, this is something that for those that like to abuse their rights has the minor importance, as they know that at the end of the day, they will get the chance to be back to what they always do sooner or later.

I'm pretty sure that if we start remind the fact that everyone is equal here no matter what group the person is part of, and make a change related to the way of how these cases are being handled which sadly by handled I mean ignored, we will start to see a positive change in general from the law units to the potential criminals, which I have to remind that everyone is what they decide to do in their roleplays and this is no reason to determine how each person can be.

Most of the players that are participating in the criminal side of the server sometimes gets annoyed by the fact that there's still people like the ones aforementioned in this topic around doing whatever they want and adding the fact that these persons are not being monitored as it's meant to be and they are not receiving a proper punishment from their actions, the criminal players, upset about the respond of the administrators, take the simple decision to leave the game without doing nothing more about what happened. Now, what happens with this? The abusive player stays in the server resuming his "lovely" gameplay, abusing more and more players that probably will do the same as the other one did and rage /q and with that what else comes? a decrease of the playerbase, maybe a slight one but stills a decrease.

I'm pretty sure that if this situation changes the sever will be more enjoyable to everyone but again, is up to the administrators of the RPG server to decide what is going to be made about it.

I'm sure you will find all your answers there: http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=89083.0

I've been noticing that you only like to give vague and sarcastics comments towards others or just throwing out old topics which are losing the relation to the current one instead of contributing to the subject of the topic with an actual opinion. It dissapoints me and I don't know if it is because you are not as active as the others or because that's they way you are. There's more administrative members that actually share proper ideas and comments. I'd like to see that from you too.

[Cyril]

SAPD is a group with a command staff that are taking care of their members.
If a SAPD member break a rule (depending of the rule), he is first removed from the group. If he continues, he is removed from the server.
A cop abuses you? Report him to the CMD Staff or FBI for corruption and so on.

The difference between cops and others is that we can't forcefully remove a criminal from his group.
Let's say Cofiliano_Gvardia starts DMing. We can't remove him from Gvardia as a punishment. So he is punished with a warning/ajail etc..

[Manas]

If a SAPD member break a rule (depending of the rule), he is first removed from the group. If he continues, he is removed from the server.
A cop abuses you? Report him to the CMD Staff or FBI for corruption and so on.

1. Removing a DMer cop from SAPD isn't the proper first hand punishment to be lent out to him.
There must be something with a red line in /p that "xyz has been copbanned and [warned/ajail/kicked/tempbanned] for his DM"
The removal of him from SAPD can be seen just as a extra shield or protection for the guy.
2. We know when to report and whom to report for RP abusing as corruption. But there is a difference between RP abusing and server abusing.

[Devin]

1. Removing a DMer cop from SAPD isn't the proper first hand punishment to be lent out to him.
There must be something with a red line in /p that "xyz has been copbanned and [warned/ajail/kicked/tempbanned] for his DM"
The removal of him from SAPD can be seen just as a extra shield or protection for the guy.

Not all punishment has to be visible to all of the players nor does it need to concern others with how a player has been handled after the matter by administrators.

2. We know when to report and whom to report for RP abusing as corruption. But there is a difference between RP abusing and server abusing.

Someone suspects you for nonsense to kill you or attack you? Sure then administrators shall deal with them.
Someone suspects you and tries to roleplay and make you do things when you're innocent, then SAPD will deal with them after a forum report.

[Manas]

Not all punishment has to be visible to all of the players

But this seems a bit needy cause people on the server doubt if any action is taken against a SAPD member. It can help in a way of creating belief in the people that strict action is taken against such players so that it can prevent such topics from coming up.

[Cyril]

We don't care if people think nothing is done against cops.
Once you have reported someone, it's up to the admin to decide what will happen.
Most of the punishments are not visible anyway.

[Stivi]

We don't care if people think nothing is done against cops.

Well, you should. A copban is nothing, at least for me.

SAPD is a group with a command staff that are taking care of their members.

Not saying that Mike or any other SAPD leader is doing his job wrong, but I find the above quote total bullshit. Taking care of a member is not /copban'ing them. I've often seen chicken-suit players saying "wtf? why my skin chicken skin?" and so on...

If a SAPD member break a rule (depending of the rule), he is first removed from the group. If he continues, he is removed from the server.

If the player is a newbie, then the above would be correct. Not at all cases, of course. "Experienced" players go on cop duty to troll someone. After being cop-banned, they (might) stop.

A cop abuses you? Report him to the CMD Staff or FBI for corruption and so on.

Because /su abuse is corruption. GG. 

The difference between cops and others is that we can't forcefully remove a criminal from his group.
Let's say Cofiliano_Gvardia starts DMing. We can't remove him from Gvardia as a punishment. So he is punished with a warning/ajail etc..

If a group member starts DMing, you can talk to that specific group-leader for the said problem. If no result was shown, then feel free to warn/shut down the group. I know for a fact that Kojak has done this when he came back active. It was a positive result ( for as long as it lasted ).

Every group will have a limit of 5 warnings, after the group leader receives 5 warnings for the group failing to keep up the standards they are at risk of losing their "Recognized" status and HQ along with it.

To will ensure group leaders keep a tight rope around their members necks and a whip on their ankles to keep their members in line as the actions of a single member can bring down an entire group.

Warnings will only be issued for repeat offenses and serious matters; members rulebreaking will count towards an official group warning, let this be an early warning for groups to up their game and prove to us that they’re more than capable of obtaining an HQ once more.

[Devin]

We won't hesitate to shut down a group if they are being more of a problem than a good thing within the server, don't you worry about that.

[Kostas]

SAPD is a group with a command staff that are taking care of their members.
If a SAPD member break a rule (depending of the rule), he is first removed from the group. If he continues, he is removed from the server.
A cop abuses you? Report him to the CMD Staff or FBI for corruption and so on.

The difference between cops and others is that we can't forcefully remove a criminal from his group.
Let's say Cofiliano_Gvardia starts DMing. We can't remove him from Gvardia as a punishment. So he is punished with a warning/ajail etc..

Didn't read the whole topic.
But are you saying that the administration team can remove a member from SAPD?
So if I was in SAPD you would be abled to get me out of there with your own will? IF yes then what is the actual use of the CMD Staff or the FBI Staff?

[Cyril]

Didn't read the whole topic.
But are you saying that the administration team can remove a member from SAPD?
So if I was in SAPD you would be abled to get me out of there with your own will? IF yes then what is the actual use of the CMD Staff or the FBI Staff?

You can be removed from SAPD temporarily with a copban.

[.James]

Just increase the limit of 'copban' to months and so.
Then, players will be so keen not to make rulebreaks on cop duty.

[Cyril]

Just increase the limit of 'copban' to months and so.
Then, players will be so keen not to make rulebreaks on cop duty.

7 days is fine.
For extreme cases, it can be 30 days or more already.

[Cofiliano]

SAPD is a group with a command staff that are taking care of their members.
If a SAPD member break a rule (depending of the rule), he is first removed from the group. If he continues, he is removed from the server.
A cop abuses you? Report him to the CMD Staff or FBI for corruption and so on.

The difference between cops and others is that we can't forcefully remove a criminal from his group.
Let's say Cofiliano_Gvardia starts DMing. We can't remove him from Gvardia as a punishment. So he is punished with a warning/ajail etc..

You can't remove CBF from SAPD can't you? And he had a few moments of his own.

And what you are saying is exactly what Im pointing out. We're done with cops being deal by SAPD or FBI for their rulebreaking. Like the topic says the rules apply same for all.

Gvardia is an offical group, with offical report system, and with harsh punishments toward their members, from now on when ever any Gvardia/Corleone/Ancelotti/etc breaks a rule, report him on Gvardia/Corleone/Ancelotti/etc forum, and you guys promise you gonna promoted this from now on in game?

Or if not, then lets hear the ideas, suggestions how to change this, like I said on the start of the topic, I want HQ to tell us what are they gonna do about this in changing it back to where it belongs, dealt by Admins for breaking the rules, and punished by /ban /tempban for /su abuse, Dming etc,  not 'verbal warning' 'report on sapd forum and 'copban'

The immunity from rules and admins punishment must stop and the response from the A-Team must be harsh. Why? For the sake of all of us, and for the cops who are playing according to rules yet gets a bad name cause of this individuals, for the sake of SAPD and FBI, and for the sake of the entire Community.

[Cofiliano]

7 days is fine.
For extreme cases, it can be 30 days or more already.

No a 7 days full ban is fine. Copban should be 30 days or more for regular players (not new players).

Why? Cause a  regular civilian would get a 2 weeks ban for same reason.

[Cyril]

If someone is behaving or new, I don't see why we should escalate to tempban or ban directely.
A verbal warning is most of the time enough. A copban can suffice too.

Most of people that claim to have been /su abused are either:
- Evading
- Shooting at the cop

And then they decide to report. But it's too late as your action made it valid.
Witnessing a /su abuse is also very difficult, we can't spectate all the cops on the server and we have other things to do. That's why we ask you to take your evidences and head to SAPD Forum where SAPD CMD Staff will investigate it.