Enough is enough, the rules apply for all

[Chuck_Norris]

No offence, but I propose my tactics of back in the day :

Punish equally - either your a criminal, a cop or even a fricking hooker. Breaking rules equals breaking rules equals punishment. Either verbally or action-wise.
Yet one verbal warning in 10 minutes time is enough..

DO BE AWARE ADMINS : this method won't make you popular, at all ! but hey, who the f' cares ?

[Devin]

At the end of the day, every person in an administrative position is here to do a job which consists of punishing those that rulebreak every so often. You can't please them all.

[Leon.]

Nonsense, his response is in lines with this:
Whether the punishment is seen by players or not, it is not important. Administrators will deal with rulebreaking players as they feel necessary.

That's a much less cynical and more proper response

[Manoni]

No offence, but I propose my tactics of back in the day :

Punish equally - either your a criminal, a cop or even a fricking hooker. Breaking rules equals breaking rules equals punishment. Either verbally or action-wise.
Yet one verbal warning in 10 minutes time is enough..

DO BE AWARE ADMINS : this method won't make you popular, at all ! but hey, who the f' cares ?

This is very true and is what I said on my previous post. It doesn't matter what you are in the server, you break the rules, you get punished. Not because having the chance to get a break from those issues telling that they should be handled in a different means that you have to do this all the time. Example: The cop abuses a player while he is roleplaying, this player reports it to the admin and the admin replies with "Report on ARPD Forums". Not much later that day the same cop does the same thing with another person which gets the same reply from a different admin, While the report is being handled by the SAPD the abuser already managed to piss off at least 4 to 6 regular players in the server, when does it ends then?

It'll be better if we start to do something like Chuck says.

Because he is a manager. He can say that.

No.

Nonsense, his response is in lines with this:
Whether the punishment is seen by players or not, it is not important. Administrators will deal with rulebreaking players as they feel necessary.

And it'll be necessary once the same cop abuses another 3 players? Just asking. It's like saying that someone should let a criminal to DM 4 cops to punish him.

[Cyril]

It doesn't matter what you are in the server you break the rules, you get punished.

Breaking a rule doesn't mean you will receive a punishment. There might be other way to deal with rulebreakers than constantly punishing them.

[Manoni]

Breaking a rule doesn't mean you will receive a punishment. There might be other way to deal with rulebreakers than constantly punishing them.

By "punishment" I was not referring to the typical /warn /kick etc. My point was that this should not be let only to the hands of SAPD.

[Devin]

Let me put it this way - If some let's call them degenerate child is constantly disrupting the server whilst on cop duty, I have no problem with the administrators removing them from the server without thinking twice about telling someone to report them to SAPD.

If it's some nonsense behaviour, report it to SAPD however if they are disrupting others within the server, administration should intervene.

[ClazzyJogel]

Roleplay that does not violate server rules -> SAPD's commands task.
Everything else -> Administration.

It's that easy guys, I'm not the man to speak about the Argonaths history but I believe It's been like this for ages.

[Cofiliano]

Suspecting someone for something like "ramming" when they aren't even driving then I would say report them to SAPD, if they are doing it with the intent to start a shootout or deathmatch then administration should handle it.

Lets take your example:

To determent did the guy who got suspect drove a car or not, who can get to the truth in this case?

Admins with the command that shows last cars he drove, or some SAPD high rank on forums, who wasn't even around, and has no mechanism to see who's telling the truth, cause of which he rejects the report?

This is exactly what we are talking about, admins are here to protect all players from rulebreakers,  and if some individuals is on /duty he shouldn't be judge by SAPD forums, yet by the admin.

When a rulebreaker makes your gaming unplayable, I dont care is he a cop, criminal, fireman, or what ever, I want to see admins who disallows him from doing that, not asking me to go on forums and attempt proving something that is almost impossible of proving via forums, instead of him wasting few minutes, typing few commands and punishing the guy.

This topic is just about  THE RULE OF LAW, at the moment cause of this system, rules are being avoid and jump over everyday all day, with the admins not being able to do anything about it.

[Devin]

As I said earlier on, I have no problem with administration dealing with the player on their own accord, if the player is disrupting others in-game then the administrator can punish them.
Whether the victim files an SAPD report is up to them and it's up to SAPD whether they want to do anything about the matter.

But at the end of it, if the person is being a pest in any way to be seen as abusing other players or even abusing their duty commands, the administration team should deal with them.

[Solis]

[Manoni]

I saw that too, really surprised me.

[Nexus_Riggs]

The Administration intervenes when law enforcement repeatedly abuses their duty weapons and special features to intentionally abuse other players. Especially when they start breaking server rules such as "revenge killing", "deathmatching", "harassing", "bullying". We do not tolerate players breaking the server rules and regulations nor do we conjecture high level administrative response until everything is fully analyzed. Administration duty focuses on the server/player affairs. No official group, such as SAPD, SAFD, FBI, EMS have any entitlement from being exempt or assented from being disciplined by the Administration. As a SAPD Sergeant, I can assure that SAPD Command Staff neutrally oversees the body of police officers and tracks all perceptible activities to prevent situations like this from happening whenever we can. Officers breaking rules not only hurts them, it hurts the image of SAPD, which we make every effort to retain.

[JDC]

If someone doesn't know how to read properly, then they should not complain when people don't take their own serious insights seriously. Posting that this is not a debate while acting like it is one does not help make a strong case.

I did not skew topic, but only posted the facts; that people have turned this into another attack against the Administration and ARPD.

Why the shitty attitude from a manager?

People can think you're a total piece of shit. But if you know it to be false, then you probably won't care less. Remember that Managers are people too, and sometimes they have to be firm about things. This includes not taking any shit from the shitters.

Fact is that people spread bullshit propaganda against Argonath Administration (HQ) and ARPD. That the admins/HQ and/or ARPD don't care about players and/or don't do anything about complaints.

As someone who has been on both the receiving and giving ends of power accorded to both, I have seen that to be false. To make things worse, many of those talking and making the attacks/implications have no real idea about the effort that goes into making sure that troublesome players are disposed of, and rogue law enforcement removed. Therefore they are (the functional equivalent of) talking out of their asses.

Sometimes, it's a simple as an admin directly witnessing a deathmatch or an ARPD command officer making an on-the-spot to demote a law enforcer for abuse of discretion. But most of the time, things have to be investigated to make sure that punishments issued are valid, not arbitrary. Otherwise you will just complain that Admins/ARPD punish on impulse rather than making sure justice is served objectively.

Let's also talk about the bullshit claim that Management does not care about the server. If that were true, then there would have been no admin-side efforts to rebuild things after the player count dropped upon RS5's release. The work being done for you goes far beyond the dozens of bug reports that have been locked on the forum recently.

One thing that players need to get into their heads, is that just because an admin/HQ member takes a view that is not "popular", that does not mean it is wrong or detrimental to the server. While you have the right to an opinion, they also have the right to exercise their power as necessary, so that you won't have a playing environment overrun by total chaos, lawlessness, and shitters. Most importantly, so that you would have a playing environment at all.

The bottom line? Those responsible for maintaining order are doing their jobs, or else they too will be removed. Unless you want to spread lies and actually distort the facts, don't claim otherwise.

[Pandalink]

civilan runs around, deathmatching people, someone reports him - if the admin thinks he should be punished for deathmatching, he will be punished.

cop runs around, deathmatching people, someone reports him - if the admin thinks he should be punished for deathmatching, he will be punished.

True, but a civilian's punishment is a general admin warning such as a warn, kick, ajail or ban.
A cop's punishment is copban. Which is nothing.

Every admins give the punishment they want according to each situation.

Which is exactly why you need a large mixture of different ideologies in the admin team so that the consensus reached for situations in admin chat isn't as one-sided.

the implicit assumption that admins inherently favor cop players over civilians and criminals for one reason or another.

An assumption one would be foolish not to make.
Only new players don't know this about the server, come on man.

Just because there is no feedback to you (the reporter), that does not mean the person you reported got away with it (assuming they really were in the wrong).

Feedback to the reporting player is always appreciated. It's about going above and beyond in your duty rather than doing the minimum.

Personally, I appreciate players who know how to handle their own problems (i.e: fighting off a DMer sometimes with their combat skills, rather than crying like a bitch every time someone so much as punches them)

I agree but in that case the DMer is liable to file a malicious report, and then you're gonna get punished. The only way to prove your claim would be weapon hit logs, which afaik aren't exactly accessible to an ingame admin.

But just because some admins are more kind and patient, that is no reason to take advantage of them.

Patience is a virtue for administrators. This is just a fact, and anyone without any shouldn't be a part of the team.
Kindness isn't really the right word for it, but common courtesy and respect applies. Nobody is going to listen to some admin being a prick and treating them like a child. They're more likely to act up, if anything.
Basically as an actual human being, that guy flying a buffalo around is no better than you, he just happens to be dicking around with hacks on SAMP instead of administrating a game server at that moment.

8. The complaint email works. Anyone who tells you that it does nothing is full of shit.

Depends who sends the email.
If I didn't have to reveal who I was to make the report make any sense then I wouldn't say since it wouldn't get thrown out as quickly.

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ebin response bro, upvoted

People can think you're a total piece of shit. But if you know it to be false, then you probably won't care less.

Respect is earned, not given.