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Reply #30 on: June 01, 2014, 01:33:19 am
The criminal responsible is already in fear of crashes which is according to my experience, very frequent (mostly during chases). Also, the 4 criminals are in one vehicle only, (unless we can use 4 different vehicles, i dont have a problem), so you dont need an army to take em down. There are a lot of cops in the server most of time in my view atleast..

Do you think its fair for the other side of the law?

It is supposed to be a challenge to criminals, not like walking down the park... Imagine any robbery situation in real life, are there more cops or criminals?

We all experience crashes.
I am pretty sure I saw criminals taking different cars to flee the scene.

There are usually other criminals beside scripted robberies, we can't drop everything and turn to you guys. That how most of you manage to get away either. It happened to me often that players suspected in those missions evade way too easy, I even noticed some comments like "easiest xxxx $ ever earned"... etc. If that was the goal then ok. I mean it all depends what are you after for. Easy cash or thrill? Tell me you have more fun with evading the cops 5 mins after the mission or with chase when there are 5 cruisers behind you or with chase like we had today (if you don't count poor RP in the end) ?



Bottom line, increase of /rhl was just a suggestion to make it more fun.

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Reply #31 on: June 01, 2014, 01:56:35 am
We all experience crashes.
I am pretty sure I saw criminals taking different cars to flee the scene.

Changing cars leads to mission failure.

There are usually other criminals beside scripted robberies, we can't drop everything and turn to you guys. That how most of you manage to get away either. It happened to me often that players suspected in those missions evade way too easy, I even noticed some comments like "easiest xxxx $ ever earned"... etc. If that was the goal then ok. I mean it all depends what are you after for. Easy cash or thrill?

IG, 5 cruisers chasing the criminal is a never-ending chase, but I agree about the thrill part you mentioned. In this case, since there is already very very less RP in this script, i suggest remove the money system from it. So people would do it just for RP and not for money. If choosing which suspect to pursue is a problem, perhaps you should organize your activities and coordinate with the cops. Theres always a leader in a group or an organization or a family. I understand theres not much we can do about it with newcomer freecops around but, we need to fair for the other side too.

Btw, the stores that can be robbed currently in dukes area only. Not a problem for any cop to come in seconds. Increase in /rhl time for dark orange suspects seems fair to me though.

Bottom line, increase of /rhl was just a suggestion to make it more fun.

Sure, remove the rule of crashing = out of RP/game over. We are even then i think :P



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Reply #32 on: June 01, 2014, 08:42:43 am
The rank of criminal system : you need 1k of points to get a higher level .
How do you get points ?
*You have two ways to get points .
1-Ordering weed . you get 1 point per gram
2-Robberies . I don`t know how it really  works but i got 3 points when i success at a robbery ( I robbed 1057$).



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Reply #33 on: June 01, 2014, 02:29:43 pm
The rank of criminal system : you need 1k of points to get a higher level .
How do you get points ?
*You have two ways to get points .
1-Ordering weed . you get 1 point per gram
2-Robberies . I don`t know how it really  works but i got 3 points when i success at a robbery ( I robbed 1057$).

Actually, there should be a step by step leveling.

For example: 50-100-250-500-1000 points.

I mean, how da hell are we suppose to get to 1000 points to level up? Doing 334 robberies? or buying 1000 grams of weed for 50k$ from npc?

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Reply #34 on: June 01, 2014, 02:42:22 pm
Actually, there should be a step by step leveling.

For example: 50-100-250-500-1000 points.

I mean, how da hell are we suppose to get to 1000 points to level up? Doing 334 robberies? or buying 1000 grams of weed for 50k$ from npc?
Well, you will get lots of money when you become a high rank criminal , so its not suppose to be easy.



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Reply #35 on: June 04, 2014, 02:26:28 pm
In my opinion this is a great update but .. I think this is kinda not Argonath - check this ..

http://www.argonathrpg.eu/index.php?topic=105363.0

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Reply #36 on: June 11, 2014, 10:11:22 am
With due respect to everyone,

Cops and robbers server is what it has become. People are either suspects or cops. It has destroyed the real purpose of the server, which is roleplaying. I dont mean to be offensive against the management and/or players but the server has become more money oriented and a number of stupid never ending chases. For me, as a regular rp player, the server has become boring and also my activity has reduced significantly. Just saying for the sake - Remove the money from the script and see how many goes for the robbery. Or they might also do it just to get chased by the feds.

You are free to contradict my thoughts and sayings but i hope you understand what im trying to say.



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Reply #37 on: June 11, 2014, 10:36:17 am
With due respect to everyone,

Cops and robbers server is what it has become. People are either suspects or cops. It has destroyed the real purpose of the server, which is roleplaying. I dont mean to be offensive against the management and/or players but the server has become more money oriented and a number of stupid never ending chases. For me, as a regular rp player, the server has become boring and also my activity has reduced significantly. Just saying for the sake - Remove the money from the script and see how many goes for the robbery. Or they might also do it just to get chased by the feds.

You are free to contradict my thoughts and sayings but i hope you understand what im trying to say.
Psyron is right this server is to be a RP server not a cops and robbers servers , as he said remove the money script and see if many people go to robbery or not at least without the money the rp will take place and it will be nice :)

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Reply #38 on: June 11, 2014, 11:29:01 am
The problem isn't only money. I may go against something , but its people mind , maybe too young. I don't want to judge anyone in bad , but if we are in light RP its because we want it.
From the first time i joined i have done more than a hard RP , sometimes organized in all details (or at least the max possible) and sometimes even not organized.

Roleplay borns casually , if one of part isn't roleplaying correctly then you cannot complete it. For example in all robberies done during this period , i have seen 2 - 3 RPs. In other cases people started escaping or using shotgun once police were near.
The problem itself for me is the youngness of people are playing here. I am not old , im young tho but i understand if someone is willing to roleplay or not , i dont force him but just do not be mad when you will end up in a chase without control.
Do not take it as offense , but more young you are , in most cases you need some time for understand properly how to RP. Also for people who have no experience in RP  , its the same. Also for who is playing from long , we all need some time , proibition of money will not solve anything. Do you know why most of criminals become one? For see their color orange , escape from cops like in NFS with the mostest fast cars.

It's been long time since a big RP was made. You want to change it? Start roleplay your role in correct way and do not think on what others do wrong (try to correct in indirect way) and remember it's you're character playing and not your own physic.

I have seen that with this new script the other side of server (LCPD , law organizations) started collaborating more , teamwork is now improved. An example yesterday , Sole_Lucchese robbed a store , after some mins he had LCPD (Freecops sadly :3) , FBI and NoOsE on his tail constantly. We all did a great job collaborating via radio and we caught him. You guys in criminal side gotta collaborate , i know its hard , its the only way. I am aware also that someone will come and waste ur RP , it happened and always will happen , there is nothing to do than teach the guy and tell him where he did wrong.
For one failed RP , there are lot more that can go well.


ps: My english ain't that good , so i hope you understood that i dont want to be mad against someone or critic in bad way.


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Reply #39 on: June 11, 2014, 12:21:56 pm
The problem isn't only money. I may go against something , but its people mind , maybe too young. I don't want to judge anyone in bad , but if we are in light RP its because we want it

Roleplay borns casually , if one of part isn't roleplaying correctly then you cannot complete it. For example in all robberies done during this period , i have seen 2 - 3 RPs. In other cases people started escaping or using shotgun once police were near.
The problem itself for me is the youngness of people are playing here. I am not old , im young tho but i understand if someone is willing to roleplay or not , i dont force him but just do not be mad when you will end up in a chase without control.

Age doesnt matter, we all know that. Its the willingness to RP, everyone knows that too. About the light RP thingy, I will post a quote from John_Doe which is absolutely true in any sense -

it all depends what are you after for.




Do not take it as offense , but more young you are , in most cases you need some time for understand properly how to RP. Also for people who have no experience in RP  , its the same. Also for who is playing from long , we all need some time , proibition of money will not solve anything. Do you know why most of criminals become one? For see their color orange , escape from cops like in NFS with the mostest fast cars.

Prohibiting money will allow people to do robberies for RP. Prohibiting money will leave them no options other than to RP. Prohibiting money in the system will let new players learn about RP rather than just go there and stand till it generates money magically. Prohibiting money will give a perfect sight of people who are willing to RP and who just wants to get chased and/or earn money. I understand its a light RP server and you are not forced to RP everytime, so you may choose what you want to do. I cannot judge you by your work. Im just here to place my view on the script after observing everything carefully for a few weeks.


It's been long time since a big RP was made. You want to change it? Start roleplay your role in correct way and do not think on what others do wrong (try to correct in indirect way) and remember it's you're character playing and not your own physic.

Dont teach me about roleplaying :P I have had enough experience and all I do is RP in the server. Nothing to boast here. I did not say others are doing wrong, I just wanted to say what they could do instead of what they are doing now.


I have seen that with this new script the other side of server (LCPD , law organizations) started collaborating more , teamwork is now improved. An example yesterday , Sole_Lucchese robbed a store , after some mins he had LCPD (Freecops sadly :3) , FBI and NoOsE on his tail constantly. We all did a great job collaborating via radio and we caught him. You guys in criminal side gotta collaborate , i know its hard , its the only way. I am aware also that someone will come and waste ur RP , it happened and always will happen , there is nothing to do than teach the guy and tell him where he did wrong.
For one failed RP , there are lot more that can go well.

Well good thing the law enforcements are collaborating well. Also its way easier for criminals to collaborate than the cops, considering there are freecops who like things their own way. (:P) I have always encouraged teaching newcomers in every way but that is not the concern here. We are talking about how the server is slowly turning into a cops and robbers server. If we keep continuing like this, even the newcomers will forget the real purpose of the server and wont learn about RP in the long run.



I would also suggest to lower the count of robbery missions per day, or only managers can make it available when they wish it to be. Not by asking managers but by their own will, to have control on the system as its going haywire out here if you ask me.

P.S - 2 different gangs doing a robbery together just because they did /takejob when it came available makes no sense/confusing RP relations/disrupting future RP possibilities. Though I give low priority to it since we can go Out of Character.




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Reply #40 on: June 11, 2014, 01:18:12 pm
The money should be thrown out from the RL, not from here. :p
These robberies aren't that frequent. I've seen how Police forces patrol near stores, literally guarding them. This thing is so RPish that it's bloody fantastic.
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Reply #41 on: June 11, 2014, 01:19:17 pm
Age doesnt matter, we all know that. Its the willingness to RP, everyone knows that too. About the light RP thingy, I will post a quote from John_Doe which is absolutely true in any sense -



Most of non rpers are lot young. (starting from 11 to 14). Obviously there are exception but go watch the criminals suspected by Server for Robbery , you will understand that. Most of them are not "able" (They need experience) to understand the RPs and how it works and they dont listen to you due their age.

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Prohibiting money will allow people to do robberies for RP. Prohibiting money will leave them no options other than to RP. Prohibiting money in the system will let new players learn about RP rather than just go there and stand till it generates money magically. Prohibiting money will give a perfect sight of people who are willing to RP and who just wants to get chased and/or earn money. I understand its a light RP server and you are not forced to RP everytime, so you may choose what you want to do. I cannot judge you by your work. Im just here to place my view on the script after observing everything carefully for a few weeks.

I still dont think it will , money cause problems because people do not understand how to use them.

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Dont teach me about roleplaying :P I have had enough experience and all I do is RP in the server. Nothing to boast here. I did not say others are doing wrong, I just wanted to say what they could do instead of what they are doing now.

Well..i was talking in general here , not referred to you. I know you are good , we both came up from a notorious gang and made lot of things.

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Well good thing the law enforcements are collaborating well. Also its way easier for criminals to collaborate than the cops, considering there are freecops who like things their own way. (:P) I have always encouraged teaching newcomers in every way but that is not the concern here. We are talking about how the server is slowly turning into a cops and robbers server. If we keep continuing like this, even the newcomers will forget the real purpose of the server and wont learn about RP in the long run.

Us , regulars have to change it , not managers or admins. The players who play regulars have to try , you cannot stand and watch at them doing something wrong. Obvious not forcing...but trying to approach them slowly , if the guy is really interested will do it otherwise he will keep going on with his way.



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I would also suggest to lower the count of robbery missions per day, or only managers can make it available when they wish it to be. Not by asking managers but by their own will, to have control on the system as its going haywire out here if you ask me.

P.S - 2 different gangs doing a robbery together just because they did /takejob when it came available makes no sense/confusing RP relations/disrupting future RP possibilities. Though I give low priority to it since we can go Out of Character.

I agree with low the missions. About 2 gangs doing robbery together , for me it can bring new RPs on both sides , some interests may start and both gang entering in conflict or allie.


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Reply #42 on: June 11, 2014, 01:32:05 pm
As far as i know  RP is something you can use and should use but its not a must, yes the Rob script killed any remaining RP left in new criminals wanna be, But the 1st few robing that were manager made were full of RP, and i loved it...

Now i get spammed by PM /takejob buy 18974 players who need that 1 extra, no I don't wanna rob with just one more player, i want the entire Lucchese to go on a robing all 8 of us, now that would be RPed and done the way it should be done, also i support the removal of money, all i want from rob is REP for criminal level.

 And about the RP rob part one one does it, well it depends on the cop who is after you, last time i tried to RP in front of cops i got shot down, all that 1 cop did was typed /gu 1 time, then they all shoot, and in general sense this Script has so much potential, its just the players who misuse the Scrip and make it just a $$$ maker, also i would want to point one thing i tested and works its a abuse that's possible if i /takejob and just ignore the way point, i can enter at any time to the way point and get SU alone get the max $$$ and run away while cops are busy. Now this is not ok, and must not be done teamwork should be supported so i suggest if one of the players who took the job gets SU for robbing all get auto SU no matter where they are, also i noted some players just take mission and only one of them goes to way point, other player stays idle, also a timer must be added saying you have x minutes to get to the store or you failed.

  And one more thing it happens that i plan a mission with Sole we took masks, placed road blocks and made a plan, when we did /takejob 1 spot was taken and only he took the mission, can we make some kind of Private mission made by managers with a password so that all the planing and energy put to that, dose not go to waste.

This will be edited later i have few more things i notices while doing more then 20 missions in last 2 days.


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Reply #43 on: June 11, 2014, 02:54:21 pm
These robberies aren't that frequent.

This will be edited later i have few more things i notices while doing more then 20 missions in last 2 days.

Along with that, today El_rayes the regular robber commented on mainchat saying the comrades bar gets robbed every 10mins. (?)



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Reply #44 on: June 11, 2014, 02:57:07 pm
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Let me tell you 1 thing guys, as long as there are rewarding scripts, not only by money but by also fun side, all scripts no matter they re marked as "abusable" or not; will be abused. Whole Argonath IV:MP Players want only these 2 things. More Scripts more abuse, its not that people wants to use scripts to earn money, do bad things to others; they're using these because they want to have fun and yea some money would be good near it, but not really important.

- Question is why do they only use these scripts?
Well its obvious, because most of them dont know how to roleplay or they think roleplaying is done by script supports.
This is pretty wrong, but you cant expect these new players to learn roleplaying by theirself when they re covered by scripts. They want to have fun, they want money and some of them just wants to learn what Argonath IV:MP by scripts, provide to the players.

What I see from this script pointing and your comments, its clearly understood that like cophunting wasnt enough, some other features especially attracting cophunters and people like this type causes this abuses. Script's and its scripter's fault(there is no offense, dont just search for it or change it and understand by different way.) is, offering this script into public, to that public which there are both experienced rpers and people that never heard of rp[In this case this also falls against to argo vision therefore they cant provide a feature to only experienced players]. But this must be only feature to the experienced because new ones dont know how to act with the presence of the script. Meanwhile experienced rpers know how to roleplay already and this must be a feature to create an RP easier, but once you add unexperienced ones, even 1 only, can cause roleplay to be demolished by that single 1 guy's behavior. But this is not his mistake, he doesnt know how to roleplay and needs to be taught; who wishes to learn by time will learn it already, or he ll simply as you guys say only take advantage of it without fun and get its money support or whatever it gives. Why he denies to join properly is because he doesnt know how to have fun of it, or he simply wants to make money.

Now money, first of all, removal of money is what I was thinking to suggest around 1 year ago, but I have never done that because I noticed that most of people are seeking to earn money(You know how people try it to: some really works, some just abuses scripts or people, and someother just attempt to earn money by multiaccounting). The reason these people stand in server is because of it. And these people Im talking about mostly dont know what rping is or how to commit it.

In this case there is a question, instead of removal of money which is equal: Does ArgonathRPG IV:MP want new players no matter if they know or dont know RPing?

If Answer is yes: Money cant be removed, money is the factor and the challenge[just like achievements in games which its objective is to have more time playing it] on the server. And new players[most of new ones] are only looking for it. You earn money, you buy cars, businesses and houses, what new players see is that. When I first join to a server in a game, what I look at first is what server provides you, then I pick one of servers and if there is none I give more chance to current options I have and if it doesnt suit me, I simply delete that game. Money is one which has huge offerings in this server just like IRL. People say this server is not based on money but on rping, well I think its based on both of them. You dont trust me? Then ask what you lose when the money is removed, only rp remains. And what happens if only rp remains?

If answer is no: And money gets removed, server wont attract people that doesnt know rp, well mostly. And imagine a Chinese server you try to play in, you dont know chinese and you try to play in there, will you stand there for more than 2 or 3 hours? Mostly no, but well personality matters but by rper count we can count this as generally No.

Rping is the same thing, you gotta learn rping but for that, you also need something to rely on in case you cant learn rping because without enjoying, learning sucks for most[eh, we re here to play n have fun not only to learn] and in this case money and the luxury life is what people seek in this server. You wont get any of these players and one even who has no idea about rping wont even have a chance to learn rping because while learning rping wihch is not happening in 1 day, this unexperienced player needs something to discover , to waste time on. You only get experienced rpers if you remove money and since we know there arent much IV:MPers who knows rping, ArgonathRPG IV:MP wont have much players without money, or maybe it will have but this time people will act like its a freeroam server and ArgonathRPG in IV:MP list will be categorized as freeroam server and since other servers have freeroam commands, they will prefer to go there.

Therefore removal of money unless trusting to that little chance, is an impossible option and will cause an extreme decrease of number of newcomers and yea, then you know what happens, not much players only regulars, maybe 1 or 2 newcomers who tries to learn the game.

About Scripts, well scripts are here to be abused[as I mentioned at top], removal of money will decrease people who abuses this for money but ppl still will not be rping and try to find a way to have fun in it. Even if you remove money you'll still have lots of ppl you'll complain about.

Scriptless world or only scriptless world for newcomers and some challenge like earning money is the only solution to have both new players and attempts to learn rp, because when you give an omelette[script/fun] to player, he wont try to make his own omelette[script/fun] by using eggs[rp]. But ofc scripts are fun so and has new features and a game which keeps renewing itself by having new scripts in it causes players to stay more in that game. BUT Scriptless world for newcomers is against to Argo Vision. So yea good luck with this problems. But the things you suggest wont be a solution, you ll still complain about em, Im sorry. ^.^

You reached to here without jumping any point? Congratz, you have discovered something new! [At least In My Opinion] ^.^

Just Another one who is declared Public Enemy by the Authority, for expressing his thinkings without harming anybody.Who cares to stand in a community if you cannot express your feelings, your thinking anyway.

[SFC] might be banned with a single pointless accusing, though we know no one gonna forget 3 years of full rping gang by a single pointless, full of constant misunderstanding and ignorant 4 people's ban.We know we'll live in hearts who knew us,which have been our only treasure for us.


 


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