[Denied] Antonio_Gvardia banned by McLaren

[Conroy]

If you want to report me for misusing my powers then by all means send an email to [email protected], but using that in your unban request is only seen as a threat and not related to your ban.

I'm not sharing the logs because they contain racism, it's a stupid move to post them. I have told you multiple times now that your behaviour is not acceptable and I am only repeating myself in every reply.

Just so you're aware, your ban was not just because of racism, I told you to stop when I first saw racist messages but you both decided to carry on. If you would have stopped, you would not be banned.

[Antonio.]

By not showing me any proof you're just accusing me and keeping me banned for no reason. Andy, the same person I supposedly racially abused has said himself that he doesn't feel racially abused, nor has anyone said so, yet I'm still banned for being a racist somehow. All you're doing is saying "yeah your behavior is not acceptable" without pointing out anything that has happened, and without using the real proof that's in front of your eyes.

By the way, I love how you pulled the "please report at [email protected]" card when you saw that you were wrong.

[Conroy]

I have never at any point said that someone was racially abused. No one needs to get offended by what you said, it is still racism. I have told you that I am not going to post the logs, stop going on about it. You should know what was said.

Also, I gave you the email because that is the correct procedure. Bringing these things up in an unban request will get you no where. Also, drop the attitude.

[Antonio.]

I already made a post about the things I said, and pointed out that none of them had anything to do with racism. Everything I said was directed to to Andy, so why doesn't he find it racist? The person that I was "being racist to" is saying himself that none of it was racism, yet you're still saying it's racism. How is that?

[Devin]

Racial remarks are racial remarks, it makes no difference whether the person it is aimed at is offended or not.

We do not accept that kind of behaviour in any way or form, even if it is meant as a joke or how you would like to communicate with your friends in this community.

[Antonio.]

Racial remarks are racial remarks, it makes no difference whether the person it is aimed at is offended or not.

We do not accept that kind of behaviour in any way or form, even if it is meant as a joke or how you would like to communicate with your friends in this community.

I'm getting tired of pointing out the fact that none of it was racism. Since nobody wants to post the logs here, I'm free to start a Skype conversation with you, Andy and Conroy. We can then review the logs together and point out how we weren't being racist. These things COULD be offensive to someone, that is true, but bear in mind that the ban reason is "racism". For it being offensive can't even be valid in this case because nobody was offended.

[Devin]

You know what you said, and I am sure Andy knows what he said. The logs will remain within the HQ and will not be placed in public nor will they be sent to a player to see.

You can always go look at your own SA:MP Chatlogs if you have forgotten what was said.

[Antonio.]

You know what you said, and I am sure Andy knows what he said. The logs will remain within the HQ and will not be placed in public nor will they be sent to a player to see.

You can always go look at your own SA:MP Chatlogs if you have forgotten what was said.

So how can I prove myself innocent if I can't show what I've said and prove to you that it wasn't racism?

[Conroy]

You would not be banned if you were innocent. I know what you said and you should too. If you didn't save your own logs then that is your loss. Admit your wrong doings and move on.

[Antonio.]

You would not be banned if you were innocent. I know what you said and you should too. If you didn't save your own logs then that is your loss. Admit your wrong doings and move on.

Just because you're banned means you're automatically wrong? Admins make mistakes just like how the players getting banned do as well. I got the logs, but you guys don't want them to be posted here.

It's very funny how you're forced to commit to something that you're not unban requests, just so that you can get unbanned. I'm not admitted that it was racism, because I know I'm not a racist. I've been in Gvardia for five years now with players from different countries, not to mention players from countries that my own people are hostile with.

Could the things that I said be found offensive? Most definitely, but the reason here is racism and I'm not admitting to anyone that I'm a racist when it's not true. If the things that I said offended anyone, I'm ready to apologize.

[Conroy]

Being wrongly banned can happen, and mostly occurs when there is a lot going on and the admin cannot concentrate correctly. In this case, I was just reading what you were saying, there is no uncertainty about it.

You seem to be unclear about racism. Throughout your whole unban request you had said that no one was "racially abused" and no one reported you for racism. Devin and myself have said this before, but just to get the point across I will tell you again. Someone doesn't have to get offended at what you said for it to be racism. Making fun of any race, even if you're talking to yourself, is racism. You made a remark about a Turkish footballer being a shoe shiner, which is when I told you to stop with the racist remarks. Andy saw that message and responded yet both of you carried on. The conversation moved on to your ancestors, and how searching for "mongoloid" would show disabled people "because they're turks". After this, Tarik told you to stop with the racism, and he just got insulted by Andy. Both of you were then banned.

I understand that you were saying this in private and you may think that it's safe to say these things, but it's not acceptable. If you think this behaviour is appropriate, then you are not welcome here.

[Antonio.]

You made a remark about a Turkish footballer being a shoe shiner, which is when I told you to stop with the racist remarks.

Again, I ask you how is this racist? I was commenting on the fact that Nuri Sahin, ex. footballer at Real Madrid, was nothing in Real Madrid because he didn't have any success at Real Madrid.

The conversation moved on to your ancestors, and how searching for "mongoloid" would show disabled people "because they're turks".

See this is where you completely misunderstood that part.

[00:40:24] ***[6000] Antonio_Gvardia(23): turkic mongol shut your mouth
[00:41:17] ***[6000] Andy_Gvardia(16): search mongol
[00:41:28] ***[6000] Antonio_Gvardia(23): Search Mongoloid, you will see your asian ancestors
[00:41:31] ***[6000] Andy_Gvardia(16): and you will get photos of down syndromes

Andy said you would get photos of handicapped people, I don't know how true that is, but a Mongoloid is a person that resembles to Mongolic people, not "Turks having down-syndrome" or whatever you are talking about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongols

Tarik told you to stop with the racism, and he just got insulted by Andy. Both of you were then banned.

Please tell me where Tarik stated that he was offended.

I understand that you were saying this in private and you may think that it's safe to say these things, but it's not acceptable. If you think this behaviour is appropriate, then you are not welcome here.

I already said that it was without a doubt offensive, but I'm not going to give myself an image of a racist just because stubborn people with high authority want me to admit to something that's not true.

tl;dr It was offensive, I admit that. But I'm not accepting the fact that it was "racism".

[Conroy]

Nice to see you leave out quotes to make yourself look good.

[00:40:24] ***[6000] Antonio_Gvardia(23): turkic mongol shut your mouth
[00:41:17] ***[6000] Andy_Gvardia(16): search mongol
[00:41:28] ***[6000] Antonio_Gvardia(23): Search Mongoloid, you will see your asian ancestors
[00:41:31] ***[6000] Andy_Gvardia(16): and you will get photos of down syndromes

Andy said you would get photos of handicapped people, I don't know how true that is, but a Mongoloid is a person that resembles to Mongolic people, not "Turks having down-syndrome" or whatever you are talking about.

[00:41:41] CMD -> Antonio_Gvardia (23) : /cb Search Mongoloid, you will see your asian ancestors
[00:41:43] CMD -> Andy_Gvardia (16) : /cb and you will get photos of down syndromes
[00:41:52] CMD -> Antonio_Gvardia (23) : /cb exactly, because they're turks

Please tell me where Tarik stated that he was offended.

Again, Tarik does not have to be offended, stop bringing that up.

[00:43:17] CMD -> Tarik_Gvardia (10) : /cb shut up with the racist shit

[Antonio.]

I thought Andy was just denying the fact of Turks having mongol ancestors and made that comment about them; I was just making my point of Turks being Mongols, not being people with down syndrome.

Again, Tarik does not have to be offended, stop bringing that up.

Make up your mind, you said he was insulted...

[Conroy]

I said Tarik told you to stop and he got insulted in return. Read your logs.