We have to get the server back in line.

[Kostas]

Well, I don't like being offensive here because people get hurt easily.. but let me be honest. There are shitloads of reasons we can state that have caused this drop to the Argonath servers.
 
However, the problem is not the script, nor the owners, nor bla bla. The problem is me, you, and everyone who has been a part of the community. This community is unfortunately another micrography of the real word, and unfortunately the bullcrap is at very high rates.
Players have forgot the reason they are here. I know, fun is why we all play here, but if you pass the limits in order to "have fun", fun is gone.

And look where we are now! People are indeed having fun on the server, but not RPing. Instead, they are having fun freeroaming, DMing and collecting money/assets.

I find it almsot impossible to see a change here after several tries I've made myself, but if you want my opinion, change and judge yourselves before you want to judge/change something on this server.

Whatever, the server is currently having a bad time, and if you "love" it, then at least the 15 players that are online, must stop causing trouble. So we can finally raise.

Lots of posts, so lots of answers to be given here...

First of all about you Alex. You say that the problem is within the players and only. Well you are wrong, it is like owning a shop and blaming your customers for not buying from you any more. Many people like Argonath, for a shitload of reasons which is why they stay here and try to help in any way they can, either by posting ideas, trying to repair things or by simply presenting IG. Those people are the exception, when a customer does not like your product he simply leaves coz let's face it. We all come here to relax and have some fun. We all have our good and our bad days, either because we failed at our test or because we had a big fight with our boss at work, or because there was that fucktard asking 1k stupid questions about his car while we were repairing it, or because the script that we have been working on for 2 months came out with  more than 100 bugs... or simply because we just had a break up.... We all come here to have fun, when that fun turns into pressure the whole server loses its meaning.

It has been many times that I feel that nobody within the management of the server gives a single crap about us, the players. Either by heavily punishing us for something that we didn't do at all, or we didn't do on purpose or by simply ignoring our efforts when we try to improve our fun. Coz all of those ideas are so that we can have more fun in the server. And this is where we should start, having more fun...

Also about you Mikal, your whole post was a provocation, and it hurts me to say that if it was against the management it would be deleted while it wasn't touched coz it is against Gvardia, or any Gvardia. The thing is, that running a civilian/criminal group is completly different than running a group which recieves everything from the state, and last time I checked, that's where you've spent most of your time as far as I know you. So do not forget how many hours Gvardia,Corleone,Every Group has spent working for those assets, and I highly doubt anyone likes even working in a game for long...

Also Devin is right, before you start building a new house, you got to finish your last one.

Zaila, I understand what you mean, and I am sure that there isn't a single person within the community that doesn't feel bad about that state. The thing is that I hardly believe anyone actually things that it is the fault of the scripters. And if they do, they are simply wrong. There isn't a single game out there, that came out of the scripting phase without bugs, not a single one, so I do not get why we expect this one to be "bug-less". You were given "orders" on what to do and you did it.

Also about those new players from Pakistan. It is true that the older players/groups look down on the new ones. But let's face it, even the server himself does so with that new official/recognised system. I know lots of group who gained their recognised/official status just because they are rs4 groups and existed for a couple of years now... then simply went inactive for months and still have their rights. While new groups have to "fight" for them for long periods. My question once again is why. Why did Gvardia, CM, w/e else recieve their rights so fast?

We keep talking about equalty in our server, but unfortunatelly we are not treating people as equal as we should ... from cops to criminals , to admins and players.

[Stivi]

Why did Gvardia, CM, w/e else recieve their rights so fast?

Maybe because these group deserve it. They meet the requirements, and they have being doing so for years, I don't see why it should be revoked.

[Kostas]

Maybe because these group deserve it. They meet the requirements, and they have being doing so for years, I don't see why it should be revoked.

I didn't only mean about those two particular groups ... I speak in general for every group that recieved its right as soon as it started. And I am asking for the ones fully active to lose their rights, Scotto for examble(Though Scotto worked very hard in rs5 to get it), AoD..., and many otehrs, not going to name every group that should have its rights revoked. And yes, i do not think that Gvardia and CM and many others deserved official/recognised status the day they started. They have indeed been going for years, and this is why they recieved it. But a group that started with rs5 didn't ahve the chance to have a 8 years history. So it is not right for it to have to wait while the history-ful ones don't ... I just want to focus on equalty.

[.Matthew.]

Wasn't RS5 being scripted from 2011 or so?

[Axison]

I didn't only mean about those two particular groups ... I speak in general for every group that recieved its right as soon as it started. And I am asking for the ones fully active to lose their rights, Scotto for examble(Though Scotto worked very hard in rs5 to get it), AoD..., and many otehrs, not going to name every group that should have its rights revoked. And yes, i do not think that Gvardia and CM and many others deserved official/recognised status the day they started. They have indeed been going for years, and this is why they recieved it. But a group that started with rs5 didn't ahve the chance to have a 8 years history. So it is not right for it to have to wait while the history-ful ones don't ... I just want to focus on equalty.

AoD didn't start in RS5, they also worked hard to achieve thier status.

Wasn't RS5 being scripted from 2011 or so?

As far as i've heard, it was re-done a couple times.

[Kostas]

AoD didn't start in RS5, they also worked hard to achieve thier status.

As soon as they started in rs5 ... Didn't say that they started in rs5 ... Many groups recieved their rights simply because they were here since rs4, AoD was the one that came in my mind, I could name many... And no AoD did not work hard to become recognised in rs5 , nor did Gvardia , CM , Ancelotti work hard in rs5 to become official. ANyway I do not want to speak specifically. I want to speak generally about equalty.
Groups from rs4 had a big advantage over rs5 groups... in a server which "treats its players equally" ...

[Mikal]

Also about you Mikal, your whole post was a provocation, and it hurts me to say that if it was against the management it would be deleted while it wasn't touched coz it is against Gvardia, or any Gvardia. The thing is, that running a civilian/criminal group is completly different than running a group which recieves everything from the state, and last time I checked, that's where you've spent most of your time as far as I know you. So do not forget how many hours Gvardia,Corleone,Every Group has spent working for those assets, and I highly doubt anyone likes even working in a game for long...

I'm moderated for starts and didn't mention any names, maybe it wasn't deleted because it's true?

I don't recall any groups I've been in/lead receiving government funds other than ADF which I left and created AAF.. I actually had a couple million in RS4 and so didn't need government funding for that group, I also worked for my money, and yet I didn't threaten to quit if we lost our stuff.

[CharlieKasper]

There's really no difference between official and recognised groups since rs5 day 1. So I don't know what exactly is not equal here, those who deserved it got their recognised+ status. Also to let you know activity and how hard has a group worked aren't the only criteria for being selected as recognised or official group.

[Huntsman]

I mean seriously, look at VC:MP

You better be joking. Funny how you say such shit without even playing in the VC:MP. Our community is increasing daily and we have atleast 10-15 players online most of the time which is more than enough with the Vice City map. We do expierence downtime often, yes, but HQ's incompetence is not our fault..
MTA:VC, on the other hand...

Or maybe it's all a lot simpler and the toxic attitudes towards certain groups of players over the years is having consequences. Karma's a bitch, I guess.

This.

[Devin]

but HQ's incompetence is not our fault..

With that kind of attitude, the same could be said for your existence on these forums.

[Acika]

Or maybe it's all a lot simpler and the toxic attitudes towards certain groups of players over the years is having consequences. Karma's a bitch, I guess.

Interesting observation. I would agree.

[Huntsman]

With that kind of attitude, the same could be said for your existence on these forums.

Well in what other words would you explain the fact that we keep having months of downtime for everysingle attack we get and we're forced to rely on a non-Argonath host because somebody can't do their job right? Don't feed me with the "with that attitude" . We've been suffering the completely ignorant HQ's attitude for far too long to be told that.

[Devin]

Well in what other words would you explain the fact that we keep having months of downtime for everysingle attack we get and we're forced to rely on a non-Argonath host because somebody can't do their job right? Don't feed me with the "with that attitude" . We've been suffering the completely ignorant HQ's attitude for far too long to be told that.

Your behaviour is ridiculous, you haven't a clue what you're talking about nor do you have a clue what is actually happening.
Don't come and call HQ ignorant and incompetent because you think you know better.

Do not come and try to "preach" as if you are aware of the current host situation as well as HQs situation.

[Murt]

We do expierence downtime often, yes, but HQ's incompetence is not our fault..

It is not HQ's fault that the servers gets attacked and that we're experiencing downtime. So talking about "our" incompetence, elaborate further.
But I advise you too choose your words wisely. 

[Kostas]

Okay once again. I personally think that VC:MP or w/e is in a very bad state, the reasons are unknown to me, and since I've never played there I'm not planning to learn them. If you think that VC:MP is in a good state then, I'm obviously wrong as what I've heard is only from rumours and so on.

And once again, from what I've heard, and never witnessed, VC:MP is practicly fucked, and I am in your damn side about this, something needs to be done....
If that's not the case, then just forget my reference to it completly..................

Now as the last guy didn't answer to my post about this, would anyone have the courtesy to answer to this one? If I'm wrong then do let me know!