We have to get the server back in line.

[Kostas]

We all know how bad the situation is ... at this moment we are arround the usual time when most of the players are online ... and the member count is 15 ... I mean just focus on that number ... 15! A community running since 2006(right?) Has one of its server which had arround 100 players online arround this time dropped to 15 ... I mean seriously, that's even less than my age!

Take this as a whine, take this as an offencive post, take this as you like. We all have to find a way to fix this. No I am not blaming the scripters, nor the administrations, nor the Owners ... and no this is not on the players either. There are like 4 teams of people in this server ... They are all part of two big ones: Players , Administration. THose four teams have highly failled to communicate, whose mistake that it? I do not care and nobody should. We have today, and we can make tomorrow a better place, let's just start "teamworking" and find a way to solve our problem, coz this is a fucking huge one.

Aww and to the ones saying that the member count is not a problem, well it is! Let's say that there are 5 members of GSF online atm, what makes you think that the other 10 are enough to make a proper RP? WE need medics , police officers ,taxi driver , mechanics, civilians and so on, we need some people at each position out there, Coz if most of the positions are not filled, then the RP scenarios have to either climb the walls, or stop and simply look at them...
And don't tell me that you've never stopped an RP because there is no one abled to RP a medic, or a doctor... Or that you've never bunnyhopped like 1/10 of the width of the map just to get a vehicle, where you could just call for a taxi...

[eymas]

I think you forgot your question.

[Kostas]

Well ... it is simple, how will we repair this?

[eslams]

Well ... it is simple, how will we repair this?

/ad the server (faceBook-SAMP-.........etc) ?

[Kostas]

Why would a new player join a server with 20 players online at its peak? I know I wouldn't ... atleast not in this game, where there are servers with more than 300 players.

[Plam_Knight]

/ad the server (faceBook-SAMP-.........etc) ?

Advertising really ? Don't get me wrong, but before advertising something, why don't we figure out what's wrong with it first, because as offensive as it may sound as Kostas said, the SA:MP server dropped its active members heavly and I am one of those members as well, I've already shared my opinion on to way, the thing is the person that can assist us with that is AWOL for yet another unknown reason.

As well not all of those players left the community, they simply left the SA:MP server, because as far as I saw when I last checked a month ago, we had average of 300 users online in a day.

[Luca Man]

Not to mention all other Argonath servers, where the countdown dropped drastically, like VC:MP, SA:MP Stunt and MTA:SA.

[Pandalink]

They rebooted the script too near the end of the server's lifetime. RS3 was fine because it preceded a huge influx of players, and was a simple script that was welcoming to new players with lots of room for further development. Last time I checked RS5 still doesn't even have pay n' sprays available, which will drive potential new players away.

Or maybe it's all a lot simpler and the toxic attitudes towards certain groups of players over the years is having consequences. Karma's a bitch, I guess.

[Kostas]

Just like they pretty much said ... we must find a way to repair the SAMP server ... and all of our servers if possible, or idk shut them down if needed? I mean seriously, why have a broken wheel on your car? Either repair it or change it... Don't get me wrong, but we got to repair our broken parts, and I don't mind taking this to community wide ...

I mean seriously, look at VC:MP ... From my knowledge the only servers raising/being stable is ArgoMC,IVMP,MTA:SA ...

[TheLegitHabibi]

Here's whats wrong:

The leaders and scripters make rules and scripts based on what they like and feel comfortable with. Good ideas are almost always rejected with "Rp it", "Can be abused", "We aren't gonna copy another server" and of course "Argonath is not a democracy".

Leaders and scripters need to understand that this is a product. Players are the customers. If you don't give what the customers want, the customers will chose another product. Which is exactly what happened.

You spent years hyping about RS5, made extremely high expectations. The script itself looks like it was made in 2 weeks. Lets be real, it was buggy and unpleasing and unfinished after being released for so long.

If you really want to fix argonath right now, I suggest leaders either revert to RS4, or they hire scripters. Proper scripters to fix and develop nice scripts for RS5. If they don't wish to add money, I believe giving donator perks and getting donations from the server to help improve it isn't a bad idea.

One more thing the leaders need to realize is that if a Community is based on friendship, it falls apart. We can still stop this if leaders find and enforce the 'friendships' going on.

Thank you for listening.

[Manoni]

MTA:SA

Sadly no.

[Kostas]

Well ... I do admit that even I myself would like some more democracy ... but as I said, all of the "teams" should start communicating and working together... Also you are right that the expectations set for RS5 were much higher than what happent, though I do not in any chance blame the scripters for that, I do not think that it is their mistake, they got told to do 1,2,3. and they did 1,2,3 with a few bugs, which they struggle to repair, but this isn't the only problem. The scripters count is what I find wrong, coz they are obviously not enough, and I've heard numerous times people within the community offering their service, we do not need paid guns, we need people who will fight for their "server"...

[TheLegitHabibi]

RS5 didn't work out. Let's face it. Switch to RS4 please.
Just make tiny script updates and throw them in.
I don't even get why the ENTIRE script had to change. Why not make a better phone system, upgrade that. Then make a better job system and update that. You know, part by part. Much better that way.

[Kostas]

RS5 didn't work out. Let's face it. Switch to RS4 please.
Just make tiny script updates and throw them in.
I don't even get why the ENTIRE script had to change. Why not make a better phone system, upgrade that. Then make a better job system and update that. You know, part by part. Much better that way.

Well as we were told, RS4 was rewriten many times in defferent ways, therefor modifying it was extremely difficult ... Switching to RS4 is not a case, I'd kindly request nto to turn this into an rs4 vs rs5 topic. We had plenty already and they didn't work out. We need to find a way to get the RS5 opperational and enjoyable so that we somehow can make our member count raise, and finally attract more people...

[Klaus]

I mean seriously, look at VC:MP ...

I mean seriously, you're a complete pleb. Don't talk about something you don't know anything about.