We have to get the server back in line.

[Stivi]

@Stivi: Listen buddy, you're here since 2012 and i'm here since 2008.

Yes you're virtually older  than me. But not smarter

I know how Argonath was and is now.

No.

Back in RS3/RS4/RS4.1, around 4 AM, yes 4 AM, there was atleast 20 players. You didn't know that i guess, oh wait! That's because you weren't there.

Sherlock, we know the player count dropped. That's not because of /withdraw, though.

Calling people dumb because you failed to prove your point won't get you anywhere buddy.

I've said it before, but I'll repeat for you, because not-dumb people need re-phrasing. /withdraw is the same. Get another argument.

It's not about realising every player's ideas and dreams, because this is stupid, but i'm talking about facts, i'm answering many questions of who wonder why the rate of players in Argonath RPG has dropped.

You can only speak of yourself. /withdraw is not the same as rs4 is not a fact, it's bullshit.

Now i'm not saying that the HQ must or should roll back to RS3/RS4/RS4.1, simply because i can't and i'm not allowed to. If it's realised, even after a while, you'll see the difference. If not, trust me buddy, i have nothing to lose, because all i did was explaining the main, real reasons of this issue.

That being /withdraw and said from a guy last entering the server on June. I see.

[Manoni]

I know how Argonath was and is now.

You are not even active, therefore you know nothing about how Argonath is now. Get your ass in game and then feel free to say your bullshits, otherwise don't talk.

[Cofiliano]

'Crucial' change which you can't list?

They know what I'm talking about. Read my previous reply for a input.

Also I conquer with Panda.

RS4 with a rollback won't bring back anyone.

That's true as well.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

We need Aragorn back. There is no one who could have competed with him, no current developer / manager / division leader / community leader.
Having Gandalf back would as active would be a bonus.

In response to James, Mikal and Luke.
Scripts and community do not go hand in hand.

People did not just leave Argonath because of scripts. Those that are still here are because they feel a part of the community and this is superior in the tiny human mind than the actual game script. People who may have left may have thought they was lied to, or scammed, or just saw no fun in playing.  We will never really know and the worst thing you three can do is speculate and in fighting on things you just have little understanding of. It is not simply one side vs the other, you must consider all factors.

[DamienT]

The server needs back all of the Anim Objects, More SAPD RP Equipement and Vehicles (Towtrucks,Cones, Vests, etc etc) The Full FD/EMS Equipment back, the Train, and other things that were removed, and the best intent in terms of development to resemble Rs4, then, the people will return..

[[NP]Monte Montague]

The server needs back all of the Anim Objects, More SAPD RP Equipement and Vehicles (Towtrucks,Cones, Vests, etc etc) The Full FD/EMS Equipment back, the Train, and other things that were removed, and the best intent in terms of development to resemble Rs4, then, the people will return..

Yes those was interesting features, and I play on other servers which allow me to be Blackonese with CJ Head, and I this improves my roleplay because it's more fun.

Either way, that's but a single part of it. Thankfully it's not really the case here but a server will have 0 players if the Management / Staff / Veterans are shitting on the new players and generally being asses, even if it had decent scripts.

A strong community and management which understands and takes into accounts all of its players views is a good one.

A blanket Autocratic management styles is not the best.
A blanket laissez faire management style would only encourage mistakes.
A democratic management style can be useful.  But without good leadership it turns into in fighting.



As mentioned before. We need Aragorn back.

[Cofiliano]

No that's wrong, we dont need Aragorn cause Aragorn today doesn't have time and energy to spend, the same way he had back in the days. Same goes for Gandalf.
People have families, their own busy lifes and such, you can't base the server stability and development on their presence around, its more then amazing not to mention enough, that they keep paying not a small amount of money, to keep this servers and forums up, and the rest of us(you) can't make it stable without them constantly being around? In long term we'll come back to where we started.
We need to make this server stable and popular again, by ourselves, not waiting for Ron or Ronnel to  show up and solve all our problems with their magic stick.
For that to happen the HQ must change their policy and approach.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

No that's wrong, we dont need Aragorn cause Aragorn today doesn't have time and energy to spend, the same way he had back in the days. Same goes for Gandalf.
People have families, their own busy lifes and such, you can't base the server stability and development on their presence around, its more then amazing not to mention enough, that they keep paying not a small amount of money, to keep this servers and forums up, and the rest of us(you) can't make it stable without them constantly being around? In long term we'll come back to where we started.
We need to make this server stable and popular again, by ourselves, not waiting for Ron or Ronnel to  show up and solve all our problems with their magic stick.
For that to happen the HQ must change their policy and approach.

Ok so what should this "HQ" do?

[Cofiliano]

Rather simple, make playing more enjoyable and more fun, to attract people to join and play it, SA-MP is dying out anyway, and we should be trying to attract people to come (/come back), not make their playing more hard and annoying then it use to be.

The key is in the criminal groups, not cause I'm a criminal, yet cause that's the ultimate truth, no activity by criminal groups=no activity by cops=no activity from random civilian/business roleplayers=server dying out.
And the HQ policy atm, is making the criminal groups die out.
Just check the group section and you'll realize that almost all groups are basically dead.

[.Matthew.]

SA-MP is dying out anyway

Indeed, from 2000 servers to 5000, from 20 000 players to 50 000.

[DamienT]

Not true Matthew, there is other SA:MP Servers that go to 500 people a day, and etc, we need to get back onto that fast lane!

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Rather simple, make playing more enjoyable and more fun, to attract people to join and play it, SA-MP is dying out anyway, and we should be trying to attract people to come (/come back), not make their playing more hard and annoying then it use to be.

The key is in the criminal groups, not cause I'm a criminal, yet cause that's the ultimate truth, no activity by criminal groups=no activity by cops=no activity from random civilian/business roleplayers=server dying out.
And the HQ policy atm, is making the criminal groups die out.
Just check the group section and you'll realize that almost all groups are basically dead.

Samp still is hanging on.

Have you seen the amount of Russian servers? I have seen 6 different Russian servers with on average 350 players.

[Tiny]

It's strange how people still discuss and moan about the current problems instead of facing and solving them. It's very easy to state the shitloads of issues we got, but let's get them fixed instead.

[Devin]

Rather simple, make playing more enjoyable and more fun, to attract people to join and play it, SA-MP is dying out anyway, and we should be trying to attract people to come (/come back), not make their playing more hard and annoying then it use to be.

The key is in the criminal groups, not cause I'm a criminal, yet cause that's the ultimate truth, no activity by criminal groups=no activity by cops=no activity from random civilian/business roleplayers=server dying out.
And the HQ policy atm, is making the criminal groups die out.
Just check the group section and you'll realize that almost all groups are basically dead.

Keep blaming the HQ, keep saying we ruined the server and how we killed the playerbase.
You yourself are not active, neither is your "family", you should not be passing comments about how the server is and should be when you are not aware of the current situation of the server.

Enough bullshit, enough blaming the HQ for every little thing you are not pleased with. Get some activity then we can talk.

[Cofiliano]

Keep blaming the HQ, keep saying we ruined the server and how we killed the playerbase.
You yourself are not active, neither is your "family", you should not be passing comments about how the server is and should be when you are not aware of the current situation of the server.

Enough bullshit, enough blaming the HQ for every little thing you are not pleased with. Get some activity then we can talk.

I'm not blaming the HQ, I'm blaming the HQ policy. And no its not the same thing.
I was active and so was my Family  active Devin, and a big number of people who we were convincing to come back as well, and we didn't bring just our friends yet many random people back, and we already had a talk, in which you(not you personally) guys were more then stubborn in your intentions of how you gonna develop things. After that you basically pulled out a 'rs5 reset' on the drug system by the last update and killed the last and only thing we were relaying on in order to develop groups into being bigger, stronger, more organized, with way more roleplay and fun etc. And I'm talking about small groups, who just started.
So we already tried the 'activity then talk', and it end up in you guys destroying all the progress we build for 2 months. And let me remind you, it was 10 players online average when we came back, it raised to an average of 35-40 people.
And Im being harsh here when I use the word 'destroyed', you guys didn't do it intentionally, yet you didn't wanna step a little out of the outdated instructions that leads no where. And here we are today.
The only guy who actually made some progress and supported the ideas we gave was Gimli, but his updated was changed later on by Zaila.