BSF - Business Support and Funds

[Kaze]

Supported, this will significantly help Argonath's crisis and get it back to where it was a year ago.

This time, there should be more restrictions with the BSF before money is issued. Fingers crossed this goes through, I miss the old Argonath.

An example of restriction may be;

To get BSF funds, the company must have a minimum of 10 players. Those 10 players should have played Argonath for atleast 2 months.

Regulations like this reduces the chances of the economy fucking up.

[Mikal]

Special Treatment Fund..

[Kewlizm]

Supported.

[Monty yate]

100% supported.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

I was the first contract holder of Argonath Business Support Fund.

All of my contracts with BSF was good for both the server and contract holder employees,  when I saw shitty excuse for companies and groups just applying and being dished out money, I was furious.

Those players who found their way into the VIP Committee and  authorized the destruction of the economy should have gotten strict punishments for allocating state funds which counted as an abuse of state funds and abuse of spawning money (regardless of where or how they got access to it).
In my opinion, they got off lightly (BSF was simply closed and they probably just got a verbal warning if at most).
BSF ruined the economy of RS4.1.

It was abused by groups.

NOT AT ALL SUPPORTED UNLESS.
- The funds from the State Bank was used for financial support
- Proper criteria for supporting businesses only - and not EVENTS or Charity.
- Proper Workers was used. not just some rookies running the organization, role play or not, they have to have decent understanding of economy and economics.
- BSF did not simply pay the company employees wages.

[Kaze]

Waiting for HQ input on this, this is virtually the key to bring back Argonath.

[AK47]

Special Treatment Fund..

[TheLegitHabibi]

NOT SUPPORT

[Mikal]

Waiting for HQ input on this, this is virtually the key to bring back Argonath.

Pretty sure it's just the key to create lazyness where nobody want's to 'work' for their virtual money.

Why create something that makes people strive for cash instead of roleplay, that's all BSF was even if you force BSF-group members to upload screenshots of their so called 'RP', on some of the business topics that had BSF a while back I used to laugh so hard at how extremely bad some of the roleplay uploaded in pictures was, sometimes it was just a guy with a van by himself doing "/me loads goods" > drives to destination > "/me unloads goods" and then getting paid like 30k a week just for doing that, honestly BSF is one of the things that brought Argonath down, it didn't encourage group RP situations and honestly, I bet tons of money ended up where it wasn't supposed to be, either it wasn't regulated enough or it was just BSF as a whole that was the problem, BSF is not the way to create RP, it's just another way for players to get money, and from what I can tell even though I haven't been able to play on the server in a while there are already lots of ways to make money.

All it ended up being was:

Special Treatment Fund..

[Hamza.]

Pretty sure it's just the key to create lazyness where nobody want's to 'work' for their virtual money.

Why create something that makes people strive for cash instead of roleplay, that's all BSF was even if you force BSF-group members to upload screenshots of their so called 'RP', on some of the business topics that had BSF a while back I used to laugh so hard at how extremely bad some of the roleplay uploaded in pictures was, sometimes it was just a guy with a van by himself doing "/me loads goods" > drives to destination > "/me unloads goods" and then getting paid like 30k a week just for doing that, honestly BSF is one of the things that brought Argonath down, it didn't encourage group RP situations and honestly, I bet tons of money ended up where it wasn't supposed to be, either it wasn't regulated enough or it was just BSF as a whole that was the problem, BSF is not the way to create RP, it's just another way for players to get money, and from what I can tell even though I haven't been able to play on the server in a while there are already lots of ways to make money.

All it ended up being was:

Let's suppose I am not talking about BSF, let's suppose I am not talking about getting monthly support, let's suppose I am not talking about BSF encouraging "laziness." What if an owner wants to register his business in the directory, but he doesn't have enough reserved capital to cover the expenses? If your answer to this will be that he should earn the money before starting the business, it will take ages to earn such capital to even cover two month's wages.

I found a way to create an era to pay the wages to the employees and it is the policy I am running my current company on. But the problem is, it's my interest to run the business and therefore I am paying the people by my own expenses. But what will an owner get by running a business? He's just covering the expenses, he's not earning anything.

Government's involvement here gets necessary. Why? Well they need to hand some initial stage cash to the ones interested in a business. Everyone will come to receive the funds and then keep it for themselves? No, they will not if you create a proper organization for registering and considering applications of the ones who are actually there with the intention of one. Use proper application form, with all of the information you guys have to ensure before handing the starting cash to run the business. Once the business has received the starting cash, they will have some support to actually get vehicles, getting resources employed and etc.

[.Mario.]

NOT SUPPORT

Oh really.

[Duncan_James]

Totally supported. It'll help people making their businesses sucessfull simultaneously with boosting the economy and creating jobs among the companies. For who just said "Not Supported" and left, maybe you can support your opinion by explaining why.

[AK47]

explaining why.

*cough* Roman Collin *cough*

[Dillon]

Let me explain very quickly why BSF shouldn't be available ever again.

The concept is simply unfeasible and always abusable. It has proven in the past to be a problem for the economy though some companies actually used the money as intended and followed the original vision the rest simply did not. I think it's important to survey and understand the working economics of a server before simply introducing money into the economy.  BSF was never limited or regulated like it should have been to prevent severe economic instability.  If however it does come back it needs to have a separate regulatory agency just to maintain that the money moves as intended. Also limitations the previous system was based on employee count and never paid more than a set amount per employee count of ten, this caused companies to just add members to their rosters in an almost fraud sort of way but also when a company exceeded fifteen employees they were only to receive a set amount no matter how many more thus limiting potential of specific companies. It would take a lot to make BSF work the way it was intended more than should be funded by the state.

If anything should happen it should commence towards banks instead of money spawn agencies. I have a lot of experience with BSF starting out from an ASM rising to the vice of it and the entire time I seen BSF do more harm than good.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

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Let me explain very quickly why BSF shouldn't be available ever again.

The concept is simply unfeasible and always abusable. It has proven in the past to be a problem for the economy though some companies actually used the money as intended and followed the original vision the rest simply did not. I think it's important to survey and understand the working economics of a server before simply introducing money into the economy.  BSF was never limited or regulated like it should have been to prevent severe economic instability.  If however it does come back it needs to have a separate regulatory agency just to maintain that the money moves as intended. Also limitations the previous system was based on employee count and never paid more than a set amount per employee count of ten, this caused companies to just add members to their rosters in an almost fraud sort of way but also when a company exceeded fifteen employees they were only to receive a set amount no matter how many more thus limiting potential of specific companies. It would take a lot to make BSF work the way it was intended more than should be funded by the state.

If anything should happen it should commence towards banks instead of money spawn agencies. I have a lot of experience with BSF starting out from an ASM rising to the vice of it and the entire time I seen BSF do more harm than good.

I did not see you do anything to amend BSF issues at the time.
I wanted a public inquiry.


I would accept nothing less than a complete public scrutiny of BSF if it was EVER to return.  (although it will probably only ever return if State bank money is used) with a committee which answers to the public if needed, on a weekly basis.

Also the members of the committee should be made up of a working quorum of 10 which 5 must be public and should not hold contracts with BSF and they should not represent the state officially in anything else.


They did not heed my warnings at the time and it ruined the economy.
I still think they (each of the members of BSF) should be sent to Mordor for their 30 minutes of punishment!  But hey ho, it's RS5 now.