At Least 12 Die In Shooting At Magazine's Paris Office

[[WS]Jacob]

Anyone posting distressing or violent footage on these forums will find no sympathy from forum staff.

[Gandalf]

This is something that has been discussed very widely, and as I may say not always in the right direction.

Do not accuse this of being a false flag or conspiracy. These men were Muslim, at least were following an Islam stream that is causing regular uproar and makes a lot of the Muslim world look bad.

In other places I have said the following:
Not so long ago another religion, Christianity, also was extremely violent and used warfare, terror and oppression to spread around the world.
They started fighting between each other about who was the purest in religion, and who was the 'real' Christianity.
Then during what is now called the 'enlightment' it was discovered that there was a world of science and morals that existed outside and even before Christianity and that was no less able to advance and create beautiful things.
Thos who were tired of the fights started understanding that religion is something which has a place on your inside. It is your personal spirit that guides you and helps you make decisions through life. It was understood that just like you can not fight over which food you like best, you can not fight over how you are personal in your religion. Every person is different, they all view spirituality and religion in a separate way.
The violent people were cast out and shown as the bad people they were, and Christianity became a (usually) peaceful community.


Muslims have a conflict within their society and within themselves. There are many different stream and groups who have very different opinions about Islam. But they have the problem that the Quran tells there is only one religion, and Muslims can not be divided. This iw why they hesitate to stop supporting those who blemish the name and reputation of Islam by their violent actions.
It is our duty to help the Muslim world go through their 'enlightment' where they allow themselves to show they are separate individuals and feel very different about how Islam should be used and how others should be met in life. The Muslim community should show that those who are preaching violence are not welcome within the main Islam, and be outcast in to their own interpretation by their fellow Muslims.
Islam is no more violent in nature as Christianity. In fact if you read there are improvements on the Bible.
Yet the Muslims are letting those who have a violent understanding of the words shame their religion. That must stop.
Muslims should fight their Jihad now. Not the Jihad against the unbelievers with guns and attacks. But the Jihad that stops the violence in the hearts of those misled by false preachers. Jihad is the battle between good and evil that is within everyone. People must choose to be peaceful, even when someone or something angers them. It is easy to attack, but it is much more noble to pass your anger and make friendships.

As you may know I have a very different view on religion. I am not Muslim, and not christian. One may say that for me in our century the concept of religion is outdated, as the need for a God to explain the universe in all its wonder is less and less needed.
Still I understand that people need a moral guide and compass, and not many can make their decisions between good and evil without one.
Regarding the after life, if you live your life doing good, not any God of any religion should not let you pass for not calling the right name.

Choose for peace. Choose to fight the evil within you. Choose to fight those who preach violence.
Make your God proud by being the peaceful person he wishes everyone to be.

[Demir.]

The man who is killing in the name of GOD (Allah) is not called muslim....
Terrorism is not accepted in islam..

[Gandalf]

The man who is killing in the name of GOD (Allah) is not called muslim....
Terrorism is not accepted in islam..

Tell that to those who preach violence. Others will not believe you until you cast them out.

[Demir.]

Tell that to those who preach violence. Others will not believe you until you cast them out.

just wanted to say that the terrorists who did that scene at paris, are not muslims, they just want to get the name "islam" to the wrong way.

[Danny Soulson]

Tell that to those who preach violence. Others will not believe you until you cast them out.

True..

[RizzE.]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11335676/Hacktivists-Anonymous-says-it-will-avenge-Charlie-Hebdo-attacks-by-shutting-down-jihadist-websites.html

[Gandalf]

just wanted to say that the terrorists who did that scene at paris, are not muslims, they just want to get the name "islam" to the wrong way.

That is exactly the problem .
Islam teaches that Muslims must be one, so those who do anything that is not approved 'can not be Muslims'.
What you must learn to accept it that they WERE Muslims, and that unless you will start making clear tothose wh preach violence that the majority of Muslims do not accept this, it will only get worse.
These people prayed daily to Allah, visited the Mosque and held themselves to all laws of Islam. Until this week, nobody would deny them to be Muslim.

Tell : this were Muslims who were misguided.
Tell : this were Muslims who misunderstood what Islam should be.
But do NOT tell : this were not Muslims.

[Demir.]

That is exactly the problem .
Islam teaches that Muslims must be one, so those who do anything that is not approved 'can not be Muslims'.
What you must learn to accept it that they WERE Muslims, and that unless you will start making clear tothose wh preach violence that the majority of Muslims do not accept this, it will only get worse.
These people prayed daily to Allah, visited the Mosque and held themselves to all laws of Islam. Until this week, nobody would deny them to be Muslim.

Tell : this were Muslims who were misguided.
Tell : this were Muslims who misunderstood what Islam should be.
But do NOT tell : this were not Muslims.

We are teached to love our religion ,and to respect other religions....
GOD don't wants people who make terrorism... i think it's so clear...

[Bruce.]

We are teached to love our religion ,and to respect other religions....

Go tell this to the muslim guy that shot the muslim cop in the sidewalk...twice...

[Gandalf]

We are teached to love our religion ,and to respect other religions....
GOD don't wants people who make terrorism... i think it's so clear...

That is clear to you, and I am happy you see it that way.
But you can not deny there are people within Islam who are taught very different things.
They are your brothers, but sometimes a brother leave the right path and needs to be corrected.
Denying they exist or that they pray to the same Allah is lying, and lying is not permitted by your religion.

[Hady.]

No one can deny the fact that they were Muslims..
However, Why should the whole world blame the rest of Muslims..

In Islam, Terrorism is NOT allowed at-all.
It's even written in Quran.
Nevertheless, Some 'group' thinks that it's allowed to attack as long as couple of people are showing some 'HATE' towards Islam.
they might do the same thing with us too.. Calling us FAKE Muslims and shit.
Actually, This already happened (ISIS)

We don't consider them as Muslims.. The whole world should know that.
We aren't even allowed to talk with them.

[Gandalf]

Go tell this to the muslim guy that shot the muslim cop in the sidewalk...twice...

Hating those who are of good will is not the solution. Embrace them and teach them that they need to cast out the evil ones among them, and that their duty of Jihad is firtly to cast evil out of Islam.

[yaz000n]

Go tell this to the muslim guy that shot the muslim cop in the sidewalk...twice...

Firstly , a lot of organisations and people + social media try to affect of how people think of Muslims.

Secondly , Muslims are respected people , very nice people too , dont believe everything you see , muslim world is a very nice one.

Thirdly , their are people that do not follow their religion or laws , I mean the cop you are talking about , do you think you would post what you said if the the killer is not a muslim ?

Forthly , do not think about people you do not know personally.

[Bruce.]

Secondly , Muslims are respected people , very nice people too , dont believe everything you see , muslim world is a very nice one.

I know how they are because I have allot of muslim friends and I totally respect them all.

Thirdly , their are people that do not follow their religion or laws , I mean the cop you are talking about , do you think you would post what you said if the the killer is not a muslim ?

I said the muslim thing because Demir was saying they are not muslim when all the news were saying that the people who made the kills in Paris were Muslims. Ye I know the religion doesn't allow you to do those kind of things but even that they were muslims they were part of a organization which trained those guys to be like that. To kill people on sight like that did, no matter what religion the victims are.