At Least 12 Die In Shooting At Magazine's Paris Office

[ssaammee]

Feels like Gandalf has closed this topic.

Totally agree with you, in all ways.

[Antonio.]

[Hevar.]

- The Kurds defend us all -

I'm not a Kurd, I don't know any, I couldn't even cite a Kurd author. I don't know their culture. Today though, I am. I think like a Kurd, I speak like one and mostly I cry like one. The Kurds besieged in Syria are not Kurds, they are humanity which resists to darkness. They defend their families, their lives, their countries, and they represent the only shield against the rise of the Islamic state. They defend us all, not against a fantasy Islam which terrorists don't represent, but against the most barbaric gangsterism. Against cynism and death today, we have the Kurdish people" - Charlie Hebdo

[Hevar.]

better translate =)

[[WS]Jacob]

I agree with you its freedom of expression,But it doesn't give you the rights to make a movie and create a lot of pictures in a journal to insult the islam and to show the world blablabla, I'm not telling you it's good they got killed but at last they deserve to get jailed for insulting a Messenger, In fact when they did the movie more then year ago a lot of people start laughing to the islam and the government didn't do a shit about it because they care about their religion only, Now all the world think islam who did this and they start kicking the muslims out from their countries to avoid the terrorist in the future and this is not fair at all because islam wasn't his fault, I'm sure there is something worse in the future after this fight.

If I wish to make a journal insulting Islam, because I live in a free society I should be able to do so. Likewise I can make a journal insulting any other religion if I wish to do so. And this is the key point about Charlie Hedbo, they did not just produce satirical comics about Islam but about Christianity too, so you can dismiss any thoughts they were specifically targeting Muslims.

[Dean.]

[RizzE.]

Look at Family Guy example when theymake scenes with Jesus and God its hilarious. Why would anyone take it seriously and moan and kill people over it. I have ssen countless movies/tvshows where they parody/mock christianity all in good fun.

[Gandalf]

I agree with you its freedom of expression,But it doesn't give you the rights to make a movie and create a lot of pictures in a journal to insult the islam and to show the world blablabla, I'm not telling you it's good they got killed but at last they deserve to get jailed for insulting a Messenger, In fact when they did the movie more then year ago a lot of people start laughing to the islam and the government didn't do a shit about it because they care about their religion only, Now all the world think islam who did this and they start kicking the muslims out from their countries to avoid the terrorist in the future and this is not fair at all because islam wasn't his fault, I'm sure there is something worse in the future after this fight.

We have discussed freedom of expression here many times. You are right that freedom of expression does not mean there can not be consequenses as a result of using it. This however is for the laws of the countries to judge.
The law in France does not forbid to make satirical cartoons about religion. This means that no matter what, the people making them will not be punished. Had they done the same in a Muslim country, they might have been sentenced to death.
The people in the Muslim country can not demand their laws to be valid in France, just like th French people can not demand to make judgement to French law in other countries.
However these are all judgements of people. If teligion is true, a much bigger judgement is to come after death

[Crassus]

I think I read somewhere about in France (Don't remember when) drew something about Jews / Israel and got fined for it. Where was his so called freedom?

[Ehks]

I think I read somewhere about in France (Don't remember when) drew something about Jews / Israel and got fined for it. Where was his so called freedom?

That's true.

[DE_Pants]

I think I read somewhere about in France (Don't remember when) drew something about Jews / Israel and got fined for it. Where was his so called freedom?

He probably got sued by the Jewish community in france and the court decided he somehow broke the laws and had to pay (I never heard about it this is just a guess)

[Gandalf]

I think I read somewhere about in France (Don't remember when) drew something about Jews / Israel and got fined for it. Where was his so called freedom?

Having to bear the consequences of legal punishment does not limit freedom of expression.

[TheGreasyChopper]

 Am I the only one who finds it fishy how in December, Charlie Hebdo had financial trouble and couldn't pay their salaries to the workers. Yet after the shooting they won over 10 million pure profit(not counting the salaries they paid).

[Alexander_Rijav]

Am I the only one who finds it fishy how in December, Charlie Hebdo had financial trouble and couldn't pay their salaries to the workers. Yet after the shooting they won over 10 million pure profit(not counting the salaries they paid).

You are.

[Gandalf]

Am I the only one who finds it fishy how in December, Charlie Hebdo had financial trouble and couldn't pay their salaries to the workers. Yet after the shooting they won over 10 million pure profit(not counting the salaries they paid).

Use it as a model for yourself. If you need more money, get someone to kill you. Oh wait...