Tell me why........

[Gandalf]

Ok there are some sounds that players feel some rules are not clear, too strict or not strict enough. Same goes for the 'rights' of some groups.
So come on, discuss the things you think should be improved or are not fair.

Rules :
No flaming, no personal attacks.

This is not killzone, so try to make your statement calm and with good reasons. We will discuss anything.

[VMNT]

I personally think the rules are fine, if people were to abide by them, then the place would be better.

Maybe the rules could be improved if everyone learned to follow them first?

[Jnn]

Well, I guess I said most in MSN.

It's okay to have some rules, but becoming very strict suddenly means a lot of bans and people will start to think "wtf is this, everyone getting banned for stupid reasons."

[Duneseek]

Rules are fine,To me IMO they are easy to follow if you are not a trouble causing type of person...Or a cop lol.
Everything is fun,and very good RP(When im on usually)...

[Watahell]

Well, I guess I said most of MSN.

It's okay to have some rules, but becoming very strict suddenly means a lot of bans and people will start to think "wtf is this, everyone getting banned for stupid reasons."

+1

What he said...

[Aragorn]

I personally do not see a reason to accuse me in "helping the police"... I was playing as criminal all the time and this days I switched on cops work to see what is the problem with cops... And found out a weird thing... Cops actually have no much possibilities as have criminals even thou chasing players around all SA is a goddamn hard work and I appreciate all cops that really do it...
In compare with "omfg he suspected me for speeding" using /helpmeup under the bridge in water being chased to get on the bridge is more "omfg"... And such "omfg" I found a lot...

I can tell what is the problem... Being a cop attracts all sorts of abuse and rulebreaking - ramming a cop, attacking a cop, annoying driving around till will not be suspected, etc... With such "cops life" suspect for speeding looks even innocent...

And as I heard a lot about cops abusers and do not see cops complaining on criminals, I decided to clear up the police side position...

If people cannot get that thei actions "funny, heh" are annoying for other players - time to become cops and saw it your own eyes...

About strict position - all server was warned - after script will be released the developers will check out the current situation and check if the scripts work perfect and FAIR for all types of roles... And found out that there is no any fair attitude to the cops...

Where it went? the simple example - Pershing square... 20 cars around, 30 players around, one deals drugs, other rams to help a "friend" to escape, other hits a cop and runs when suspected, other drives like idiot ramming all cars and people, here landing helicopter or nevada, plus towtrucks that from no fucking idea why tow police cars and drive out... Such messes will be stopped... and so to clear it out - I made roleplay explanations...

For me was enough sitting with criminal 10 minutes in a water asking him surrender and then watch how other smartass arrived with boat to "help his gang mate" to escape... So yeah, I can honestly say - the criminal will be kicked from server for abusing the water advantage (cannot be shot while swimming)...

the same goes to those, who come to weed field during FBI and ARPD raids "Hey cops /growweed what is going on? /growweed I just came to see /growweed why here are so many cops /growweed /public chat wooohoo i grow weed / publicchat WTF why you suspected me? you do not have evidence", etc...

[Duneseek]

Lol,Totally agree with the last parts aragorn 
There is no possiblillity of having a "Clean" system of non-abusing cops...such as the ARPD(being made up of non-abusers)...
If we had to take out all the abusing cops i think it would end up only ARPD or no free cops anymore,Or just take a lot of rights away from the free cop skin...
Idk if roleplaying skills come naturally or you must train yourself to RP good,but all roles(all people who use them) should learn to use them by practicing alot whenever they on the server;for instance. Im cop,I don't have ARPD Rights,I usually patrol(usually with a partner), I spot a suspect,i chase him(i would be driver) and practice chasing skills and then partner should be /m Pull over now! or /m Surrender now!...Train your skils(unless RP skills come naturally)...

Best Regards,
Duneseek
 :ps:  These are thoughts coming randomly,and since i don't usually think before i speak inrl,im speaking thoughts so its sloppy

[Fatboy_Rob]

Where it went? the simple example - Pershing square... 20 cars around, 30 players around, one deals drugs, other rams to help a "friend" to escape, other hits a cop and runs when suspected, other drives like idiot ramming all cars and people, here landing helicopter or nevada, plus towtrucks that from no fucking idea why tow police cars and drive out... Such messes will be stopped... and so to clear it out - I made roleplay explanations...

Now, that really made me lmao.

But i see a problem with this

the criminal will be kicked from server for abusing the water advantage (cannot be shot while swimming)...

you cant be shot?
Can you explain the last 7 times i got killed in the water while trying to swim back to land?

Also, you say

after script will be released the developers will check out the current situation and check if the scripts work perfect and FAIR for all types of roles... And found out that there is no any fair attitude to the cops...

to me, it seems that main attraction that you guys build on, is Cops.
ARPD for example.
i see no other 'official' group up there with ARPD, why? can you answer that?
Thanks

[Gimli]

Now, that really made me lmao.

But i see a problem with thisyou cant be shot?
Can you explain the last 7 times i got killed in the water while trying to swim back to land?

Try shooting while you're in the water, it won't work.


-xcasio

[lionz]

Hayden just because you make the EMRU does not mean that the server shall implement such scripts and groups for medics. This takes time, and the ARPD needed a lot of help, because it was dieing. Now, new cheifs have been put in, and the ARPD is getting to work again, with some good cops. Other groups can wait, because development cannot start on other things, while the ARPD is lying in the gutter, just about dead. Concentration must be on one thing at a time, and it has worked with the ARPD.

Lionz

[Aragorn]

Medics have a script - they can heal, they can run hospitals as private clinics... So I do not see any reason to blame developers in doing nothing for medic group...
Yeah you cannot be shot in the middle of ocean with cops around you... Just cos cops cannot shoot when swim... And if you have no any idea what are we talking about then why comment here?

[Omri]

I think its perfect like how we do but crashes still are there but we cant do nothing Thanks for the Server ArgonathRPG and for the script's! GOOD WORK!!!. Tell me if I'm going to far


People why you want new scripts and all you not doing anything else than demand new stuff ! Learn to script ffs and stop whining about the server. All Devs. made a great job and we should be glad for that. I'm sure if you could make a nice script and gets into the server. Stop whining and enjoy the server they made !


Thanks Gandalf for your great work and other !!

[Aragorn]

Also, you sayto me, it seems that main attraction that you guys build on, is Cops.
ARPD for example.
i see no other 'official' group up there with ARPD, why? can you answer that?
Thanks

Cos you like to shit the developers work and do not see anything around... There is a PriestHood with Padres and Popes... In compare with medics they have only building - cathedral and no any special script command to interest players in anything else...
Still they are running, making cases, reports and roleplay itself... And they do not blame developers in supporting only cops the same as cops did not blame developers in unfair scripting that supports only criminals (which is true)...

Right now Fatboy_Rob you are crying against cops, when cops NEVER cried against criminals... And as medic you really did not get the main... You can roleplay the cases as much as you want... Sharphis made an operation to mr.Scotty in San Fierro Hospital (Aragorn and Clooak - witnesses)... And when anyone on drugs and losing health , that is not a situation to start investigating the "illness"... Cos while you were asking questions - drug user died...
In real life (as you like to wave the real life examples), medics do not ask questions when the client is in critical situation... They start operation immediately...

[Fatboy_Rob]

Medics have a script - they can heal, they can run hospitals as private clinics... So I do not see any reason to blame developers in doing nothing for medic group...
Yeah you cannot be shot in the middle of ocean with cops around you... Just cos cops cannot shoot when swim... And if you have no any idea what are we talking about then why comment here?

Yes, they can heal, but it takes my money and gives it to them.

And learn to articulate what you are saying, to me, you were saying "you cannot be shot in the ocean when swimmimg from shooting cops." - you can.

Cos you like to shit the developers work and do not see anything around... There is a PriestHood with Padres and Popes... In compare with medics they have only building - cathedral and no any special script command to interest players in anything else...
Still they are running, making cases, reports and roleplay itself... And they do not blame developers in supporting only cops the same as cops did not blame developers in unfair scripting that supports only criminals (which is true)...

Ok, yea... im shitting on the work?
Ok go look at the topic i made about it in SAMP General, i agreed to develop it myself, and only help with the /r and the healing command.
xso no shitting on the work of anyone!

You see anyone else trying to improve what they do?
Do you see the popes trying to think and give ideas of good scripts or commands for Preisth00d?
Fuck no....
Do you see me trying to fix & Improve what i love to do?
Fuck yes...

Right now Fatboy_Rob you are crying against cops, when cops NEVER cried against criminals... And as medic you really did not get the main... You can roleplay the cases as much as you want... Sharphis made an operation to mr.Scotty in San Fierro Hospital (Aragorn and Clooak - witnesses)... And when anyone on drugs and losing health , that is not a situation to start investigating the "illness"... Cos while you were asking questions - drug user died...
In real life (as you like to wave the real life examples), medics do not ask questions when the client is in critical situation... They start operation immediately...

How am i crying against cops? Where? Please show me where i did that ron 

Now, about the 'your stupid roleplay sucks and you let Speaker die'
I Very much suggest you read my post under petey's.

Nah better yet, ill post it here, cause it seems that you overlooked it.

13. Medics that got cases with the drug abusers - should heal the drug user to increase his health... The drug abuse removes the player's health, so just "roleplaying a medic" will NOT help him...))) Once again: if a player is addicted to drugs - he loses health REALLY so medics should heal him also REALLY... Not an imaginary healing...

Ok, now i know that was aimed at me.
I'm not gonna sit back and just dust it off, i want you to hear my side of it.

Ok First off, i would have not even came to you if you were anyone else, as you said in OOC "Medic Needed Now!" - that left me with nothing, no description of anything, i had to fucking guess that it was Speaker on the ground, i thought you guys were just asking me to do something for him, like he fell, and he has a fractured leg.
But no, all you said was "Medic Needed Now!" and i came, then you started getting pissed at me because of your fault, your lack of the description.
And it was not my damn fault that i wasn't aware of what abuse of heroin did to your Health, i didn't know it kicks you out of the car when your addicted, that pissed me off, and you bickering at me the whole time.
You were basically yelling at me "do the motherfucking Trigonometry Problem" and i don't know one thing about trigonometry.
In that case, Excuse the fuck out of me for not using drugs.

Now, i have a couple other things to say.
If /call 911 > Paramedic worked, wouldn't you think that would have helped the situation 400x better?
Since it didn't, id advise you to take a small peek at my topic regarding all things with medic + Very good additions Medic Additions + Bug Fixes - if those were fixed, i could have been saving his life.

And if you could have calmed down for a second, you could have explained to me what was happening.
What did you do? stand and watch as i blindlessly try and treat a patient that i had no fucking idea what was wrong with him what so ever, and you know that.
Then you had Grovyle Running into circles doing nothing cop worthy....
i said "/l ok, help me lift him into the ambulance" - what did you do? - stand there, yelling at me.

And still i wasn't aware of the drug addiction effect that speaker had cause i do not play with drugs, and i heard you guys mention something about Drugs and him about to die ( Overdose on a drug ), so i was rushing him to a hospital, then he jumps out, then i couldn't stand anymore of the shit that was being thrown at me cause of everyone Else's fault, so i drove off, left the server.


And yes, just because you do not even look into the medical RP field, Paramedics to not just sit there and /heal ID all day, they check his vitals, his eye's to see if their dilated(to see if he OD'd or is high).
that is the RP i threw in, i tried it, but you guys were freaking yelling at me in OOC about some drug shit i wasn't aware of, then i was confused as hell before i got there.

Please dude, read that topic about the bugs, then come back to me, because my RPing is set in a high place and i KNOW i am a fantastic Roleplayer and i KNOW i am a great Paramedic Roleplayer, and i would rather not have my skills shit on, by someone Else's faults.
Yea....

Hayden just because you make the EMRU does not mean that the server shall implement such scripts and groups for medics. This takes time, and the ARPD needed a lot of help, because it was dieing. Now, new cheifs have been put in, and the ARPD is getting to work again, with some good cops. Other groups can wait, because development cannot start on other things, while the ARPD is lying in the gutter, just about dead. Concentration must be on one thing at a time, and it has worked with the ARPD.

Lionz

And others dont need help?
Ok, you have one guy, working his ass off to develop one group for a month, and then you guys say "well i dont like this, take this away, add this, no i dont like that, add this, take this, add 2 of these"
i would be pissed the hell off.

Now, you overload that guy with requests, not much gets done as he has to work on stuff 1 at a time.
now if you even READ THE POST I MADE REGARDING THIS SITUATION
You will see that i agree'd to do everything for it, apart from fixing /r and /call 911 > Paramedics and /heal ID
As i do not know how to do it.  Everything else, i can.

[Aragorn]

Priests do not need scripts to roleplay - that just shows how high ranked roleplayers they are, cos the real roleplayer does not need any script to get fun from the game... Argonath was always "half-scripted" roleplay server, you should understand it and it was said everywhere already - we do not support tons of commands to keep people in a strongly roles... It is a freedom what Argonath has in game... If you can roleplay only according to scripts - lol - then probably there is some server where you cannot breathe but play by script commands... Try to play there then...

I said - criminal cannot be shot in water - and even described the situation I mean... It means when cops are swimming after you they cannot shoot... And sitting in water 10 minutes "surrender man" is fucking far from roleplay Argonath supports... that is why such criminals who did not surrender and picked up by "mates" - will be kicked (repeatedly banned) from server for abusing water advantage...

Probably you try to improve the roleplay from your point of view... If developers did not react on your "suggestions" then it wasn't accepted... As we have a different point of view, so do not think every suggestion will improve the server... Probably it will lead server to the scripted prisoned roleplay...

If you found out that medic loses money when heals people - PM a bug to me or Gandalf... I did not see any report from you about it...

Yes you accused me in helping cops to make their job easier... When all my posts and notes were on ABUSE from criminals side... Or you think all can just shit cops with abuse and do not react on other side abuse?

About your post I already answered... Drug user loses health - and loses it not imaginary but due to script... Standing and talking to him will not rise his health, and actually I do not see the reason why drug users should call medics even... Cos all they will get - death, cos medic Fatboy thinks he should ask questions first does not matter that client is already dead... I could take to note that you had no idea that drug users lose health - that is why I wrote this EXPLANATION to the roleplay on a case medics have no idea how drug usage script works... That is why I ignored your post... As you did not even understand what I meant and decided i attack you...

"well i dont like this, take this away, add this, no i dont like that, add this, take this, add 2 of these"

And what was that group which developers answered like this?
Also if you think that creating a group gives you possibility act as you like does not mean that if your group is out of rules or developers got idea and suggest to improve here and there according to work with others groups - you are wrong... It is the same as guy comes and tells us he will organize FBI - developers can tell him - join the FBI group and discuss details with FBI leaders...

And yeah I am tired from your shit on developers work all over forums and on server... Do not like our work - fuck off... You know me...