My input - Argonath 2015 (Includes a Drug Script)

[Devin]

if it does, i hope it cleans out certain people

  Took the words right out of my mouth.

[Kein_Drenz]

Spoiler for Hiden:

The Development
What is worth offering? What is worth keeping? How far can you push the old “a world of its own” over the player’s will? How much are you willing to sacrifice to reach the top? The questions are many, and the list can be made longer.

As an old player and community member, my quite neutral view of the issues has been that the old and outdated “vision” of SA:MP has changed over the last years. What was fun ten years ago might not be fun now.

If Argonath wants to reestablish as one of the big communities, it needs to be done with an open mindset. Be open for changes. Be open for questioning. Be answering properly, in a mature way. It’s all part of developing to something better. What people think is probably the most important thing since they are the ones feeding the server with activity, ideas and creativity.  No ideas are bad ideas. Do not lock topics just because of people saying something today’s situation. Meet with respect, and respect will be shown in return.

Do not allow people to troll around and destroy the mood for everyone else. Focus on the positive side and let them get the candy. Do not allow people to literally fuck things up. Be friendly, but do not show remorse of giving the trolls the finger, because they do not care a single dime about you or your friends.

Player Base and Activity
How can we raise the activity?
By showing that changes is upon to happen. I know that the leader team has taken several amazing steps towards this already, but let’s push it. Make things public. Be open. Think big, dream bigger. Whenever someone is doing something good, give them feedback. Show support. Talk about the changes being made and create possibilities for everyone. Everything doesn’t have to be hard.

How can we bring players to the community?
We need to work promoting the changes, do videos on YouTube. Share ideas and thoughts openly, for everyone to read. Make the serious feeling about Argonath again and its new era. Do pictures, show that we are doing this to re-create and re-establish a great place to be. Many old players have that picture of Argonath being stuck in the past, unwilling to develop and seek progression. It’s about time we manage to turn that negative spiral.

How can we get players back to Argonath?
Most of my friends has been left out because they have been thinking differently. Many of them are still highly active on LS:RP. The server that is so “haram” to talk about here. The server having the same 500 players online, daily. The community that is having a pathetic forum compared to Argonath, but yet much more active. How is that possible? Because they have always been open for changes. They have always been focusing on the role play for all the years and been listening to its community members.  They are promoting their creative members to the fullest. You can speak about whatever. That’s something we should learn from, not just ban and throw in the garbage. Reality does not work that way. Even the biggest companies copy good things from others. That’s the part of developing.

How can we get them back? By doing the same thing and a little bit more. It’s not harder. People tend to like when something they suggest or do is positively treated. An open attitude is like an open book to success. If we at the same time promotes the role play, whilst promoting the SA:MP community on social media – our future is bright.


Drug script
Remove all the weed/heroin spots. Make it possible to buy ingredients of your local drug shop. Such as seeds, lights and equipment packages.

Marijuana
Pick your own place to grow. If you decide to grow outside (marijuana), your plants will be taken more time, but the quantity will be bigger. Other people should be able to spot your plants and steal them. If you choose to grow at home, which could be made in your home or at a company, there should be a notifying sentence saying: *a strong smell of marijuana is reaching you by this moment* or something similar. If this happen to you when you are entering someone else’s house, you should be notified. This could also work for cops if they are having a tip of someone growing in their house or whatever.

If the growing is made without any issues, you should be able to cut them down and make marijuana out of the grown parts. If you are noticing any suspiciousness, you could cut them down earlier. If too early, you won’t get anything out of the trees. If half through the process, you should get a smaller amount.

The time should be two days.

/set plant
/cut plant

Heroin
Heroin is probably the most dangerous drug, and is mostly shipped from Afghanistan or its neighboring countries. Whereas it’s hard to get, it should be possible to order to the docks to make them valuable. Any established group should be able to own their own dock, where they get their deliveries.  The amount of heroin they will get depends of the amount of cash they put to the deal. As well as here, there should be at risk and the cops should be able to destroy the shipment at any time. The quality should vary, depending of each deal. Pure drugs should always be more valuable and harder to get.

An order should take approximately two days to get.

Cocaine
This should be the hardest drug to get. Its street value should be ranked high. As well as the heroin, cocaine should be either shipped by boat or plane and could be ordered, and the spot will be at an airport, dock or somewhere nearby these places. Cocaine should be hard to get, and only official FACTIONS should be able to order.
It shouldn’t be like you walk up to a wall and then /order heroin/cocaine – it should be more advanced than that. It’s open for suggestions and ideas.
An order should take three days and the quality should vary.

Weapon dealer
A new world for criminals. Ammunation could be available for everyone, but with HIGH prices. The other way to get guns are from the ones with weapon licenses – which are the ones picked by the management. It should trustworthy and good role players. They are able to get guns from Ammunations by paying less and being able to sell medium prices. To get weapon license, you need to be respected and trusted to not abuse your right.

White blips
Let us finally promote the role play. Remove the orange dots/blips. Let us finally give the police department a chance to seek after criminals the real way. Let cops be able to /crime <ID> like now, but prevent cops (and everyone else) from seeing their names until they are pretty close upon the player. Let criminals hide the real way. This will also remove the cop baiting-part of Argonath which has gotten into the bones of the soul. It’s about time role play is something that is strongly promoted within the SA:MP community and this’ll do that.  This will prevent every scenario regarding such unnecessary and unpleasant acts of violence which nine times out of ten is destroying the role play. Let us. For. Once. Do. This.

Stricter Police Department
To be a cop, you have to apply. To get the rights, you have to be valid as one. If being one, you cannot have a criminal record (let’s say no /su for at least two weeks?) and you cannot belong to any criminal organization, such as Gvardia or whatever group. If getting caught being together with criminal groups of duty, you could get suspended. All that should be brought in-game, and not over forum for example. Again – promote the role play.

I Like every idea you have sounds great 

[Stivi]

It won't affect the playercount... I mean, the hell ? Just because no combat ? Combat isn't the only the weapon to DM.

knife...

[.Matthew.]

It kinda did lower it, there's literally nothing to do throughout the day, only at night time there's some roleplay scenes thanks to 18th..

[Que]

It kinda did lower it, there's literally nothing to do throughout the day, only at night time there's some roleplay scenes thanks to 18th..

All because of combat shotgun.

FREE THE COMBAT SHOTGUN SO WE CAN DM LIKE PEPE IN REAL MADRID AGAIN. WE HAVE NOTHING TO DOOO.

Or we could just start role-playing, which is prolly the point of the removal and the current changes.

[Teddy]

we could just start role-playing, which is prolly the point of the removal and the current changes.

This.

[Manoni]

Or we could just start role-playing, which is prolly the point of the removal and the current changes.

Many people will agree to this. Glad to see that Argonath has decided to do all this changes in SA:MP for good. Looking forward to see more, let's give a new glory to the server.

[Cyril]

SO WE CAN DM LIKE PEPE IN REAL MADRID

 

[Ivan_MC]

It kinda did lower it, there's literally nothing to do throughout the day, only at night time there's some roleplay scenes thanks to 18th..

Bans lowers playercount  not combat.

[Cyril]

Bans lowers playercount  not combat.

Quality over quantity.
Who wants to play around with rulebreakers anyway?

[Ivan_MC]

Quality over quantity.
Who wants to play around with rulebreakers anyway?

The whole 'Argonath quality' went into inactive mode, so by banning the active quantity you can go IG one day and play with Sauron.

P.S. : I am not talking nor defending the hackers, just not go get the wrong image.

[SkyHawk]

The whole 'Argonath quality' went into inactive mode, so by banning the active quantity you can go IG one day and play with Sauron.

I'd rather play with Sauron who doesn't rulebreak, than play with someone who does rulebreak. There is no quality in someone who has no regard for the rules, you're just as good as gone at that point, and I for one have no problem showing anyone the door that thinks breaking the rules and disrupting the rest of us who are actively trying to make a positive change for this community.

[Raffaelo1993]

The whole 'Argonath quality' went into inactive mode, so by banning the active quantity you can go IG one day and play with Sauron.

P.S. : I am not talking nor defending the hackers, just not go get the wrong image.

Can't agree more with this !

[Ivan_MC]

I'd rather play with Sauron who doesn't rulebreak, than play with someone who does rulebreak. There is no quality in someone who has no regard for the rules, you're just as good as gone at that point, and I for one have no problem showing anyone the door that thinks breaking the rules and disrupting the rest of us who are actively trying to make a positive change for this community.

Yes but if you go straight and ban the new players that want to play on our server, how can you expect a new group of quality? ( good exemple is the two dudes that used ( not abused ) the Garcia, SF glitch ) The quality players that are active today will be gone one day ( example Mr.Eugene and god knows how many similar examples ). Also when argo was having 200+ players on weekends back in the good days was much more better and interesting than now when you barely get 50players ( so in games like this it will always be quantity over quality ).
We went enough off topic so this will be enough about this.

[Pedro]

The role play has increased, in my opinion, dramatically since most of these changes have been implemented, specially the SAPD "lockdown".

To be honest, I prefer having 30-40 players that actually role play, then having over 100 that are just there to make money or DM.

That's my opinion.