The New Era

[Acika]

The idea is nice, but it will only attract a few veterans who will roleplay around (as a great example to others) and in my opinion that's not what Argonath needs. Argonath needs a gang with a charismatic leader who is able to organise big roleplays for many people, who will teach new players something, rather than a leader who will roleplay with his 2 already experienced friends in front of a bar.

Actually, this isn't anything new. Many gangs were opened in the past without much success. In fact, if im not mistaken, the creator of this topic is the one who opened and led a few gangs. His whole creativity was changing names of a gang and a location, roleplaying with the exact same 2 players the whole time, nothing went sever-wide. Meaning, that he was lacking that creativity his talking about, he didnt find a way to attract more people to his gang(s). If that changes, maybe something moves forward.


I see some hypocrite supporting this whole idea about gangs, creativity, uniqueness, yet he is the one who forced best man for the job out. A man who taught the hypocrite himself to walk, as well as many other players, a man who led the biggest gang on Argonath for years, a man who was capable to organise and lead 30 people, a man named Frank Hawk.

Argonath lacks players and as i said, it needs someone who can make something big.


PS: You can change and make unique gang's names over years and roleplay in front of a bar and Soprano can take a name from a TV show and make massive roleplays. If they attract far more players (keeping the player count) and teach them new stuff then their contribution is far more than yours.

[Manoni]

I will take my soul and place it into a new gang. Anyone who would like to get on the train are warmly welcomed.
I'd suggest more people doing the same thing, to get things rolling. It's needed and what Argonath needs to develop.

Let me know about it.

a man named Frank Hawk.

I have to admit that it would be good to have him back too, but for the short period of time I met Frank in game I just could not see him with the same spirit he used to have before, maybe with these changes it can make a difference. (Unsure if he stills banned)

[Que]

The idea is nice, but it will only attract a few veterans who will roleplay around (as a great example to others) and in my opinion that's not what Argonath needs. Argonath needs a gang with a charismatic leader who is able to organise big roleplays for many people, who will teach new players something, rather than a leader who will roleplay with his 2 already experienced friends in front of a bar.

Actually, this isn't anything new. Many gangs were opened in the past without much success. In fact, if im not mistaken, the creator of this topic is the one who opened and led a few gangs. His whole creativity was changing names of a gang and a location, roleplaying with the exact same 2 players the whole time, nothing went sever-wide. Meaning, that he was lacking that creativity his talking about, he didnt find a way to attract more people to his gang(s). If that changes, maybe something moves forward.


I see some hypocrite supporting this whole idea about gangs, creativity, uniqueness, yet he is the one who forced best man for the job out. A man who taught the hypocrite himself to walk, as well as many other players, a man who led the biggest gang on Argonath for years, a man who was capable to organise and lead 30 people, a man named Frank Hawk.

Argonath lacks players and as i said, it needs someone who can make something big.


PS: You can change and make unique gang's names over years and roleplay in front of a bar and Soprano can take a name from a TV show and make massive roleplays. If they attract far more players (keeping the player count) and teach them new stuff then their contribution is far more than yours.

Inferno 9 was one successful group, but that was because they had tremendous roleplayers and it can not be made by one individual. And roleplay to me is not to gather forty player by doing advertisements and spamming cb radio and then walk through the city until the reach a specific destination. Roleplay is neither standing in a line, AFK. Frank Hawk is great, but do not praise him like he was something out of the ordinary. He picked the most crowded place in Los Santos, and ninety five percent of the time it was total chaos around that area, if not all the time. That's not unique and if that's something we should aim for, I rather put this new era development aside and do something else. I do like his passion.

Roleplay is about creating something unique and prominent for many and one of many reasons why the roleplay is quite poor is because the ideas and the ones pushing for a better roleplay experience has been thrown away and been placed under the category: "srsbns roleplayer, do not listen to him/her". As the new leaders are making excellent choices and promoting roleplay for the first time, factions like I once created, like "58th", can roleplay without getting interrupted with some totally fucked up shit made by someone whose intention were something else than roleplay, but let's not talk about that right now.

This is happening:
* white blips
* /mdc
* application form arpd
* finally a new drug script
* new drugs
* weapon dealer
* etcetera etcetera

Which means in general that no more "chase the orange blip"-situations will occur. No more "orange blip in a crowded group let's start shooting"-situations will occur. The drug script will finally give us that vital push that was needed. You can actually earn money by being a weapon dealer, which never happened. The last time I earned money out of guns on Argonath were back in 2009 when I hacked guns and that's like six years ago. The police department are getting their shit together and making it a lot more structured than before, that's something we really needed. The police need to work to catch criminals, and not by chasing them by using /area and just kill them.

You, as a leader, Acika, need to step up. Everyone needs to to their all to the fullest to make this happen. It's not about me or my clique, or you and your family - this is server wide. Great players has left but many are quite interested to return after I told them about the current changes within the SA:MP community. I'm happy to be a part of the change, and I'm certainly going to do everything I can to make things work. But I can't do it alone, so do your best and let's see where we land.

[Kaze]

Frank did nothing but raised noobs with the mindset to whip out the deagle in a verbal disagreement. Can't remember one time entering Idlewood and not making it out alive.

[Acika]

Frank did nothing but raised noobs with the mindset to whip out the deagle in a verbal disagreement. Can't remember one time entering Idlewood and not making it out alive.

It's not nice to say such things, someone might get offended. Keep in mind that some of them are now great players and some of them are leading the community.

[Kaze]

It's not nice to say such things, someone might get offended. Keep in mind that some of them are now great players and some of them are leading the community.

Yup, those individuals who eventually realised they are too worthy of being a DM soldier for Frank. End the discussion here, don't want to derail the topic.

[Cofiliano]

Frank and his way of developing factions and their roleplay style can be judged, so can the flaws of ours factions, but his contribution to the server, and the pulse he was giving, is not something anyone can do, or else we would have 10 people like him, and we wouldn't talk about him right now.

I remember Frank since 2008 and the project he ran with Mario Rinna, he was a visionary, enthusiastic, original, big gentleman, with a big understanding of the word 'SPORTSMANSHIP'.

Frank did nothing but raised noobs with the mindset to whip out the deagle in a verbal disagreement. Can't remember one time entering Idlewood and not making it out alive.

Which means he did a good job.
His dedication to new players, that you like criticizing so much left a big positive mark to this community, made alot of good roleplayers and a shitload of quality players. And there's nothing harder to do in this game then being dedicated to new players and developing them into quality players. You felt that few days ago when you tried recruting for Araatus.
How many new players did you raised under your wing until they became quality players?
You got no right to criticize him on that topic.

[TheRock]

Frank did nothing but raised noobs with the mindset to whip out the deagle in a verbal disagreement. Can't remember one time entering Idlewood and not making it out alive.

Don't judge, so you wont be judged back. He introduced many new players who stayed as regulars, he taught them how to play and RP, how many have you taught-mendored?
Everything comes from the point of view, the way you interacted with them.. If you kept 'waters' cool, you'd never be shot down, and their style was quite enjoyable.

Personally I miss the RI times, or even the 2009 Stracci-Cuneo-Corleone-Cems-Gvardia-Z-Araatus times, where every gang would unite to roleplay besides just gang war. Endless fun!

Edit: Did not see Cofi also replied to you, but as you can see our point with Cofi is the same. You can not criticize things you do not even know about..

[Jay42]

We need a daily 150 online players like argo had two years ago. (Call your IRL g's yo)
And more RP and less trucking.

Unfortunately we can't do nothing against it (which is understandable) since everyone needs money to get their properties, weaponary, etc.. But it makes everyone going to truck instead of RP... It's not being lazy or something but most of our members are here since 2009 and they've already worked a lot.

 About the drug system.. Heroin? No-one buys it, weed? It used to be 75pg at RS4 now? 45 per gram. I repeat myself ''is not being lazy'' BUT it will just make everyone works more instead of roleplay.

Why there is no lotto anymore ?
More $prizes events.

We need to improve the roleplay scenes.
Also there is many difference between some admins actions. I mean Admin A has a different opinion of Admin B and it makes a lot of players being ''scared'' to roleplay as they used to 2 years ago, because they don't want to be banned. We need more freedom.. Of course not rulebreaking example: Player A shoots Player B; Player B shoots Player A back; Player A is warned for DM. If Player B shoots back  let them fight each other and solve their problems instead of constant warn them.

But that's quite inconstant there are many different opinions and a lot of issues to solve. It will be hard to get the Old School ArgonathRPG back, but we could try it out... Together. I'm in.

[Drix]

Well, like  you guys noticed SAPD will be application only and i'm sure you will get enough chances to get a clean and enjoyable roleplay from the police side as the SAPD Training will be focused allot on roleplay, and perfectly acting an officer of the law.

[AK47]

focused allot on roleplay, and perfectly acting an officer of the law.

about time

[Cofiliano]

An idea about the suggestion to make firstname_lastname a requirement;

-Maybe the new players that joins the community, should be allowed to register with what ever name they pick(even with examples such as; GLA0ZKRIMINAL), and they can hold on to it for a while, lets say 7 days when they usual go on a passport test.

After they pass the test, the examiner would ask them what name would they like to have in their new citizenship, by the form of firstname_lastname, and when they choose it, they would get a free namechange to do it.


Aslo names such as "Edward." should be allowed and acceptable.

We need a daily 150 online players like argo had two years ago

After the reform is done, and most of the needed scripts that we've all talked about here are developed, this should be our next goal as a community. Which has an easy solution.

A question to Devin and the rest of HQ;

What does it take to put Argonath back on hosted list?
Same question about offical list?

[Que]

Aslo names such as "Edward." should be allowed and acceptable.

Where and how do you draw the line of what's allowed there, though?
If using only a firstname, would a nickname be allowed, would "odd"/not real name be allowed?

I think it's pretty hard to judge what's what when it comes to such additions. It's hard to draw a straight line.

A question to Devin and the rest of HQ;

What does it take to put Argonath back on hosted list?
Same question about offical list?

And in addition to this and what I asked over Skype as well:

When exactly are we going to see the changes and script updates? How far away are we?*

It would be good to know, since many are wondering and it will be easier to plan the upcoming groups.

[Kostas]

I keep on reading the same phrase on many topics... "like it used to be". We finally have a bridge between the players and the server. We should forget the past and who did what and finally properly focus in the future, and what the heroes will do. We do not need to get like we were... we did that, we got the medal, focus on a new goal. Aim higher. So that even a faillure is high enough. Cheers to a future were ideas keep on being heard, implemented, and tested enough to be good. I hope that we'll manage to get the right changes with the first shot!

[Que]

I keep on reading the same phrase on many topics... "like it used to be". We finally have a bridge between the players and the server. We should forget the past and who did what and finally properly focus in the future, and what the heroes will do. We do not need to get like we were... we did that, we got the medal, focus on a new goal. Aim higher. So that even a faillure is high enough. Cheers to a future were ideas keep on being heard, implemented, and tested enough to be good. I hope that we'll manage to get the right changes with the first shot!