"Provocative Avatar"

[Brian]

The avatar you currently have is not the avatar that you used when I removed the previously ones. I had requested several people from the region for clarification around the item (they were from different countries) and I had checked some items myself on google, read some articles and news items about it, spent about two hours in to it as I was quite interested. It ended up being related to war crimes, and overall slaughter fests caused by arguments and conflicts between countries and regions. I had removed your avatar and several items in your profile which related to provoking (other items, for example 'Your mother' at Skype and Yahoo items.) I recall sending you a PM about it, I am not sure if this was in-game or over the forums but I contacted you about it. I then again got a report about you using an abuse avatar, I again took action. (That was both on the 15th of October.) Then on the 8th of April, this year. You again decided to use one of the avatars related to the previous described items. After again discussing it with some people I had decided to remove you from the forums for 30 days, not sure if it was a full ban or the non tolerance policy, so just a full mute.

It's rather common sense that the items you used can, and will hurt people. Argonath is a community with a lot of different religion, people believing in a lot of different things, and they're free to do so. So you are, that's why you were given warnings before punishment was given, you yet decided to ignore those.

So for the ban, you were removed because you had already been given two warnings, yes there may've been a time-span in between the two items, but that doesn't mean you can do it at another time. If I find someone else having the same type of items, I'll treat them the same, and I'll handle the case the same.

[Gandalf]

In that case, you might as well remove the ability to add avatars and signatures, since this is just a game of who finds what appropriate which is only playing favourites.

Only for those who wish to be provocative.
And yes, we can greate a group that is unable to put siganutres and avatars if needed.

[Eps_Smalls]

The avatar you currently have is not the avatar that you used when I removed the previously ones. I had requested several people from the region for clarification around the item (they were from different countries) and I had checked some items myself on google, read some articles and news items about it, spent about two hours in to it as I was quite interested. It ended up being related to war crimes, and overall slaughter fests caused by arguments and conflicts between countries and regions. I had removed your avatar and several items in your profile which related to provoking (other items, for example 'Your mother' at Skype and Yahoo items.) I recall sending you a PM about it, I am not sure if this was in-game or over the forums but I contacted you about it. I then again got a report about you using an abuse avatar, I again took action. (That was both on the 15th of October.) Then on the 8th of April, this year. You again decided to use one of the avatars related to the previous described items. After again discussing it with some people I had decided to remove you from the forums for 30 days, not sure if it was a full ban or the non tolerance policy, so just a full mute.

It's rather common sense that the items you used can, and will hurt people. Argonath is a community with a lot of different religion, people believing in a lot of different things, and they're free to do so. So you are, that's why you were given warnings before punishment was given, you yet decided to ignore those.

So for the ban, you were removed because you had already been given two warnings, yes there may've been a time-span in between the two items, but that doesn't mean you can do it at another time. If I find someone else having the same type of items, I'll treat them the same, and I'll handle the case the same.

First off, you never send me a PM. Not in the forums, not in game.

The first avatar which you considered provocative was a map which showed locations where my nation is located at so I have no idea how that was provocative, but it's okay, I let it go.

But the latest ban really got into me, because I consider it being pure bullshit.

"It ended up being related to war crimes, and overall slaughter fests caused by arguments and conflicts between countries and regions"
The group you're talking about is an army, and armies protect their nations by eliminating the threats, sometimes with civilian casualties but that doesn't make them a terrorist group. If the logic you used on that FULL ban was this then the US army is the biggest terrorist group on earth.

"I had requested several people from the region for clarification around the item"
You also said that you asked other people about this group, where were they from ? They clearly weren't from Albania because Im 100% sure that they would never make such a stupid arguement. Calling them terrorists is the dumbest thing to do, especially when internet is your main source. Grab some history books instead.

[Danny Soulson]

You maybe don't consider them a terrorist Cause they are on you're side maybe?

Though your current avatar is Provocative placing those 2 flags next to eachother. (Meaning: Together , Their property, Allies)

[Axison]

Regardless of it being provocative, you should not use these kind of political avatars or signatures as this is a gaming community and not some political forum. You may feel right about whoever it is you support but some may not. If you want to show them your support, print a poster and stick it outside your house, by making it your avatar won't make a difference because sadly no one gives a shit(clearly because this is a gaming forum).

[Antonio.]

Though your current avatar is Provocative placing those 2 flags next to eachother. (Meaning: Together , Their property, Allies)

Lol.

[Kostas]

Aren't we old enough to understand when something that we do, can end up provoking someone?

[Eps_Smalls]

You maybe don't consider them a terrorist Cause they are on you're side maybe?

I don't consider them terrorists because I know the history behind the group.

Though your current avatar is Provocative placing those 2 flags next to eachother. (Meaning: Together , Their property, Allies)

[Nathan]

I don't consider them terrorists because I know the history behind the group.

Do you really or are you just trying to be edgy and pushing your "agenda"  because of something you read on the internet?

FFS, use common sense people. If it is being used to provoke something, why have it? I, being a Russian-Jew living in the greatest country in the world (USA, USA, USA), wouldn't need to post on how much I support Zionism and how I think about Palestine because that is not my main goal on these forums.

Ask yourself: What is my main goal with this?

In the end, relax, we're here to create a community, not to destroy each other with our personal ideologies.

[Eps_Smalls]

Do you really or are you just trying to be edgy and pushing your "agenda"  because of something you read on the internet?

Yes, I do really know the history because I lived during the war that happened, and I sure can guarantee you that it's not a terrorist group. I never read anything in the internet about it, my grandfather was also part of the group and Im sure as hell he's not a terrorist, nor he did any terrorist act, I know that for a fact.

And I think that the history books written by people who lived during the war and were part of it are more informative and less misleading then some random websites on the internet, a place where anyone can write anything they want just because they feel like it.

[superh2o]

You do all know that war makes people do bad things with what they think are good excuses.

Wars on Balkan are sadly frequent and bloody, i do hope that will change in future.
I know many people who lost family/friends in the recent war.

a most common accepted explanation of the war by wiki is "The Kosovo War was an armed conflict in Kosovo that lasted from 28 February 1998 until 11 June 1999. It was fought by the forces of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, (by this time, consisting of the Republics of Montenegro and Serbia) which controlled Kosovo before the war, and the Kosovo Albanian rebel group known as the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), with air support from the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) from 24 March 1999, and ground support from the Albanian army, the war ended with the Kumanovo Treaty, with Yugoslav forces agreeing to withdraw from Kosovo to make way for an international presence.[63][64] The Kosovo Liberation Army disbanded soon after this, with some of its members going on to fight for the UÇPMB in the Preševo Valley[65] and others joining the National Liberation Army (NLA) and Albanian National Army (ANA) during the armed ethnic conflict in Macedonia,[66] while others went on to form the Kosovo Police.[67]

 Please note that in this case KLA is UCK and the emblem you were using, there fore anyone who lost any one in that war can feel offended by that emblem, you should put your feet in the other shoes and see what some ppl find it provoking.

And as you can see it was a mess war that spread from region to region i do hope this will open your mind to considering things from all perspectives.

[AK47]

i know someone who got shot by an ak, i feel offended by that still people use it in their sigs

[Antonio.]

Just lock this, please.

[Cofiliano]

It doesn't matter do you consider them terrorist or freedom fighters, it doesn't matter do you consider Kosovo being Serbia, or independent, it doesn't mater are you Albanian, Serbian, or what ever the fuck, what matter is that the head that was cut off, could be someones father, brother, cousin what ever, so what do you gain by poking peoples tough wounds?

This ain't the place to show nor prove to anyone just how big of an Albanian like this,  there's no need for nationalistic bullshit, specially when someone can get offended, and he might be your best friend in game. If you feel like it, you can put Albanian eagle, or flag, but not a  symbol of a para-military group that's considered terroristic by a big amount of players.


I just told you the same things, I've been saying to my people on Argonath last 5-6 years. And guess what, they don't have a problem in having not one, yet two Albanians above them in Gvardia hierarchy.

[Cofiliano]

Oh and one more thing, since you're being really annoying.

The group you're talking about is an army, and armies protect their nations by eliminating the threats, sometimes with civilian casualties but that doesn't make them a terrorist group. If the logic you used on that FULL ban was this then the US army is the biggest terrorist group on earth.

The group was never an offical army, of a offical country during the war.
They were a para-military group-Historical fact that you can't deny.
The group was on CIA terrorist list-Historical fact that you can't deny.
I wont even tell you what Russia, China, and most of other countries, consider them.-That's offical, and that's a fact, that you again, can't deny.

If you placed the symbol of Army of Albania, no one would have a problem.

Calling them terrorists is the dumbest thing to do, especially when internet is your main source. Grab some history books instead.

If you have the stomac for it type "uck head cut" in google, then click pictures. You'll see members of the UCK, in their uniforms, with the same symbol you used for your avatar, holding cutted heads, and having a smile on his face. ISIS style right there, you tell me is it really calling them terrorist the dumbest thing to do? Not for you maybe, but for a huge amount of people, yes they are. And you gotta respect that fact, and those peoples feeling.

Because as I already said that head, could be someone's father, brother, cousin, and if you don't realize just how retarded that is from you, then you should be banned for good.

Same way any Serbian should be banned, if he thinks of putting symbols of Scorpions, Arkan's tygers, etc, the Serbian version of para military group, who made war crimes and slaughter during wars.

Now do you get it? I hope so, cause if you don't you should stay banned until you learn.