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Reply #75 on: August 25, 2015, 03:19:55 pm
There are new servers around, who were build in less then 2 months, by one scripter, whos script looks like science fiction to Argonath, and it doesn't have a single script bugged or missing comparing to Argonath, on the contrary they're all sophisticated comparing to ours.

Please stop talking out of your ass when you say a complex server script has been created by a single person in under two months without a single flaw.



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Reply #76 on: August 25, 2015, 03:21:16 pm
Why is that? Because other scripters dedicate more time on the scripting than other additional needs for the server and work efficiently whilst HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO DOES THAT. We're having 2 scripters yet we're lacking of basic scripts that any roleplay server has.

Have you ever considered the scripters have lives, jobs and other things to attend to. They don't have time to sit down all day every day for hours on end scripting for something that brings in no actual income in their lives.



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Reply #77 on: August 25, 2015, 03:21:40 pm
Please stop talking out of your ass when you say a complex server script has been created by a single person in under two months without a single flaw.

There may be flaws, but it's still science fiction compared to Argonath.



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Reply #78 on: August 25, 2015, 03:22:50 pm
Have you ever considered the scripters have lives, jobs and other things to attend to. They don't have time to sit down all day every day for hours on end scripting for something that brings in no actual income in their lives.

I don't blame them, I said that already. Would they work more for the script and be efficient? Okay, instead of paying the hosted tab, let's pay them. Will they be more efficient?



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Reply #79 on: August 25, 2015, 03:23:43 pm
There may be flaws, but it's still science fiction compared to Argonath.

You do realize RS5 was initially based on the others plan for the server which is now being modified by the development team to suit the players?



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Reply #80 on: August 25, 2015, 03:24:55 pm
You do realize RS5 was initially based on the others plan for the server which is now being modified by the development team to suit the players?

Yeah, I do. And that's what I am pointing out, seeing how much of changes we need to get done, we're slow.



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Reply #81 on: August 25, 2015, 03:27:40 pm
Why is that? Because other scripters dedicate more time on the scripting than other additional needs for the server and work efficiently whilst HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO DOES THAT. We're having 2 scripters yet we're lacking of basic scripts that any roleplay server has.
Yeah, I do. And that's what I am pointing out, seeing how much of changes we need to get done, we're slow.
If you know so well what Argonath needs, why don't you apply to become a scripter instead of just throwing negativity around the forums? The telegram bot was developed because a lot of people (including me) asked for it. It is a great addition for many of us. If you read around the forums, you can see that Teddy has trouble with his computer, making it almost impossible to do work on the SAMP server. Be happy he is willing to do this.

Believe it or not, scripters are not paid to do this. They do this in their own free time, next to their dayjobs IRL. They give up time to play as a player in SA:MP to help develop the server, to help it grow even further.

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Reply #82 on: August 25, 2015, 03:30:59 pm
I volunteer to be a SA:MP Scripter. Rest is on you guys

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Reply #83 on: August 25, 2015, 03:31:49 pm
If you know so well what Argonath needs, why don't you apply to become a scripter instead of just throwing negativity around the forums? The telegram bot was developed because a lot of people (including me) asked for it. It is a great addition for many of us. If you read around the forums, you can see that Teddy has trouble with his computer, making it almost impossible to do work on the SAMP server. Be happy he is willing to do this.

Believe it or not, scripters are not paid to do this. They do this in their own free time, next to their dayjobs IRL. They give up time to play as a player in SA:MP to help develop the server, to help it grow even further.

See? That's the problem here. When someone speaks the truth, you all go "oh, why are you negativist" I am not negativist dude. I am pointing out why we're lacking of players after 2 years of RS5 being released, why we don't have newcomers and why some players are leaving Argonath. But the truth hurts, right? I cannot apply to be a scripter because I don't know how to script, and now you gonna say "then why are you commenting?" I am commenting because I want the playerbase grow up, and I am pointing out what we need to do in order to see new players.

Telegram, as you say, is a great ADDITION. Why working on additions when we need the actual scripts that are NECESSARY?



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Reply #84 on: August 25, 2015, 03:32:02 pm
Please stop talking out of your ass when you say a complex server script has been created by a single person in under two months without a single flaw.
Lol, why's that hard to believe? A guy is dedicated and has no life, also has a great knowledge of what he's doing. And he's not even copy pasta it.

The script gets some bugs from time to time, yet they get resolved in a matter of minutes.

And you know what's funny? Its one of the Argonath veteran players(Not AV), who lead some long term factions here.

Our problem is those kind of people were ignored and mocked, and now Teddy and Mikro are the only one left trying to push things around, develop and shit.
Yet they jumped into something the previous scripting team made, and by the looks of it, they're having a constant headache into fixing that script, I even think they would have bigger progress if they start over the entire shit, then constantly hitting walls with these one. Tho at the moment, that would completely kill the Community, so its not an option.

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Reply #85 on: August 25, 2015, 03:34:24 pm
Please stop talking out of your ass when you say a complex server script has been created by a single person in under two months without a single flaw.
Sorry to break your bubble, but I have created such script. Want to take a look in my Github repo?




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Reply #86 on: August 25, 2015, 03:36:23 pm
Please stop talking out of your ass when you say a complex server script has been created by a single person in under two months without a single flaw.
Nothing is complex if you work out the mechanics. Complex scripts can be created in a matter of weeks let alone months.


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Reply #87 on: August 25, 2015, 03:43:23 pm
Yes, scripts can be made in short amount of time, but you need to calculate other factors too. For example the time said scripter has to create and test said script, amounts of work that needs to be done to achieve said script, the changes that need to be made to edit other scripts to get this script to blend in. Some times, more important things need to be done first, thats why a lot of delays exist. Not even begining about earlier mentioned computertroubles where said work is done on.

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Reply #88 on: August 25, 2015, 03:49:03 pm
Yes, scripts can be made in short amount of time, but you need to calculate other factors too. For example the time said scripter has to create and test said script, amounts of work that needs to be done to achieve said script, the changes that need to be made to edit other scripts to get this script to blend in. Some times, more important things need to be done first, thats why a lot of delays exist. Not even begining about earlier mentioned computertroubles where said work is done on.
Thats true, however to not make changes to the base script EVERY TIME a new script gets released you need to be more dedicated and work accordingly. My offer still persists.


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Reply #89 on: August 25, 2015, 03:51:43 pm
Please stop talking out of your ass when you say a complex server script has been created by a single person in under two months without a single flaw.
If we work on the assumption that they could be a NEET, and also entirely dedicated to the script in those two months, then that feasibly gives them every hour of every day to work on it in some capacity. Even if we take a conservative estimate (to account for basic life utilities + some break days to avoid burnout) of something like 12 hours a day, that still works out at like 732 man-hours over those two months, which is a huge amount especially if they already have the necessary technical skills.

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