Improving SAFD

[Camels100s]

Well.. thanks to that post, finally 2 commanders logged In game on late night (that make me think something that i will not say here) (GMT+1) otherwise, i'm not attacking anyone, they're my mates even if they can't be IG often etc.. i still recognise them as my "bosses" if we can call them with that name, however we're losing time arguing here, maybe SugarD has lost interest about SAMP, it's something normal eh, we grow up, so maybe we can find interest in other things etc.. you know what i mean, otherwise we REALLY need to do something about SAFD, it's obvius, just check IG players by SAMP client that due to my Commanders UTC, IRL problems, lack of interest and so on they can't be online, But.. we need fresh people, young people call them like you want, or maybe correct word is ACTIVE PEOPLE WITH INTEREST. Talking about Commissioner position, it is specified that Commissioner only do a sort of "Desk" job, and that's okey.. but that doesn't mean that your last IG log was like 4 months ago ( i was there with you SugarD, when you were on cop duty,when we had Freecop) i can understand that you have technical issues with your PC and maybe problems related IRL, but like someone said, Temporary assign someone to your position, same words are redirected to our SAFD Battallion Chief and our Captain.

Hope to don't get tightened by nobody
Hope to don't get fired    ( )

Sincerely
=AV=Massi
Proud SAFD Fire Engineer

P.s.  why people got promoted directly to Lieutenant etc? while i'm about 3 months that i'm Fire Engineer?
P.P.s  I don't wanna argue with nobody, i only letting the people know that we're SAFD and not a newbies group
P.p.s  Let's change that SAFD, don't do it for me, do it for future players.

[Leroy_Kolta]

I'm willing to help you, Fire Engineer Massi and along with every other firefighter. I'm an In-Real-Life Firefighter and EMT and serve as a Fire Officer, so I can understand where a lot of you are coming from. It's quite obvious you don't have to be a firefighter to see the issues that are going on with SAFD, but something seriously does need to change. We (the community) keep asking for a change, and all we get from SAFD Leadership (SugarD) is to apply and help with the change. Well how can that work when you have a fire engineer here complaining that nothing is being done - this is a guy on the inside telling us that their Commissioner, Commanders, and other staff are having issues dealing with this. It's quite obvious something needs to be done.

[Camels100s]

http://www.arfd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=2008.0

Check here for more

[Camels100s]

I'm willing to help you, Fire Engineer Massi and along with every other firefighter. I'm an In-Real-Life Firefighter and EMT and serve as a Fire Officer, so I can understand where a lot of you are coming from. It's quite obvious you don't have to be a firefighter to see the issues that are going on with SAFD, but something seriously does need to change. We (the community) keep asking for a change, and all we get from SAFD Leadership (SugarD) is to apply and help with the change. Well how can that work when you have a fire engineer here complaining that nothing is being done - this is a guy on the inside telling us that their Commissioner, Commanders, and other staff are having issues dealing with this. It's quite obvious something needs to be done.

I really appreciate your words.. even if this is a game, we have to but the basis for a dynamic server.

[Allison]

http://www.arfd.argonathrpg.com/forum/index.php?topic=2008.0

Check here for more

Only those in SAFD can see it, but it does outline an outdated system I've been trying to change for years.

Where is it? In which server cause in SA:MP I never saw one single medic related to SAFD

I've been a medic my entire time in SAFD. I don't go on FD duty because I'm primarily a medic, yet I still go in-game to do my job.

Well.. thanks to that post, finally 2 commanders logged In game on late night (that make me think something that i will not say here) (GMT+1) otherwise, i'm not attacking anyone, they're my mates even if they can't be IG often etc.. i still recognise them as my "bosses" if we can call them with that name, however we're losing time arguing here, maybe SugarD has lost interest about SAMP, it's something normal eh, we grow up, so maybe we can find interest in other things etc.. you know what i mean, otherwise we REALLY need to do something about SAFD, it's obvius, just check IG players by SAMP client that due to my Commanders UTC, IRL problems, lack of interest and so on they can't be online, But.. we need fresh people, young people call them like you want, or maybe correct word is ACTIVE PEOPLE WITH INTEREST. Talking about Commissioner position, it is specified that Commissioner only do a sort of "Desk" job, and that's okey.. but that doesn't mean that your last IG log was like 4 months ago ( i was there with you SugarD, when you were on cop duty,when we had Freecop) i can understand that you have technical issues with your PC and maybe problems related IRL, but like someone said, Temporary assign someone to your position, same words are redirected to our SAFD Battallion Chief and our Captain.

Hope to don't get tightened by nobody
Hope to don't get fired    ( )

P.s.  why people got promoted directly to Lieutenant etc? while i'm about 3 months that i'm Fire Engineer?

Your post wasn't what brought us in-game. We had been in-game on and off the past few weeks, just at night time since we live in the US. Most of that time no one was online, since the server is pretty well low on players at the moment as well, not just FD.  There was no one we could temporarily assign due to the fact we only have 3 other non-command members, one of them being you (which remember, we gave you authorization for in-game command rights, just not the physical rank), so technically you had authority in-game.

You won't get fired for stating your opinion, that isn't how I work. You're entitled to your opinion, be it facts or not.

As for the promotion, no one was every directly promoted to Lieutenant. Jeff had to work his way up for it, and was at one point pending demotion from command. However his attitude picked up to a professional level and then with the new system I put in place (yes, I actually put  one in place for those who are wondering. Check the members list on the SAFD application board), you'll see how it works with ranks. I already explained how the promotion to command works.

I'm willing to help you, Fire Engineer Massi and along with every other firefighter. I'm an In-Real-Life Firefighter and EMT and serve as a Fire Officer, so I can understand where a lot of you are coming from. It's quite obvious you don't have to be a firefighter to see the issues that are going on with SAFD, but something seriously does need to change. We (the community) keep asking for a change, and all we get from SAFD Leadership (SugarD) is to apply and help with the change. Well how can that work when you have a fire engineer here complaining that nothing is being done - this is a guy on the inside telling us that their Commissioner, Commanders, and other staff are having issues dealing with this. It's quite obvious something needs to be done.

Did you not see what I previously said? You and Phil were to be brought into SAFD and given control of the Medical division due to your work in EMS, with rights to work in the fire-rescue division. This idea is still something I'm up for, regardless of what SugarD says about it at this point.

[Leroy_Kolta]

Did you not see what I previously said? You and Phil were to be brought into SAFD and given control of the Medical division due to your work in EMS, with rights to work in the fire-rescue division. This idea is still something I'm up for, regardless of what SugarD says about it at this point.

If that worked out, that would be fine.

SugarD seems to be the only one not wanting to do this and he is the commissioner, so...

[Allison]

If that worked out, that would be fine.

SugarD seems to be the only one not wanting to do this and he is the commissioner, so...

We can make it work. SAFD is my department, and right now I'm not going to wait for his approval.

[Camels100s]

Only those in SAFD can see it, but it does outline an outdated system I've been trying to change for years.
I've been a medic my entire time in SAFD. I don't go on FD duty because I'm primarily a medic, yet I still go in-game to do my job.
Your post wasn't what brought us in-game. We had been in-game on and off the past few weeks, just at night time since we live in the US. Most of that time no one was online, since the server is pretty well low on players at the moment as well, not just FD.  There was no one we could temporarily assign due to the fact we only have 3 other non-command members, one of them being you (which remember, we gave you authorization for in-game command rights, just not the physical rank), so technically you had authority in-game.

You won't get fired for stating your opinion, that isn't how I work. You're entitled to your opinion, be it facts or not.

As for the promotion, no one was every directly promoted to Lieutenant. Jeff had to work his way up for it, and was at one point pending demotion from command. However his attitude picked up to a professional level and then with the new system I put in place (yes, I actually put  one in place for those who are wondering. Check the members list on the SAFD application board), you'll see how it works with ranks. I already explained how the promotion to command works.
Did you not see what I previously said? You and Phil were to be brought into SAFD and given control of the Medical division due to your work in EMS, with rights to work in the fire-rescue division. This idea is still something I'm up for, regardless of what SugarD says about it at this point.

Rights for use a premier and a brush truck? Well, i really appreciate that, although i see how ranks work, i realize very well how they works and i will not explain here why i'm saying that, otherwise, you say that due to your UTC you,SugarD and Retwy will not be available, so it's okey, find someone External or internat to temporary assign to your role, that can organize events, that can post /AD about recruiting! like I DO, we need to show up people that we're not a useless group,we're important like many other official one, like SAPD,FBI,SWAT,MGI,CIA and so ON, However, if we're roleplaying an American Fire Department, why dow e have a private EMS? Shall it be merged with SAFD? just got alking to EMS chiefs, Argonath Scripters and we will have a merged SAFD-EMS (Like majority of USA fire departments). I only see few people online, few firefighters, an abandoned ARFD site (luckily i posted some reports on Multimedia section) And much abandoned Firestations, i knwo that we don't have "manpower" But if we go all together to host an event (i can pay for it if necessary) about SAFD, about recruiting etc.. we "might" have the right manpower, it's true that we must Focus on getting player, but (with all respect toward newbies) we need experienced users that can RP well.

[Leroy_Kolta]

However, if we're roleplaying an American Fire Department, why dow e have a private EMS? Shall it be merged with SAFD?

The fire department in which i belong to is volunteer, and thus it is private. EMS and FD are separate divisions (due to finances), but we each cooperate as a team.

But, I don't see why it wouldn't be merged. But EMS and FD should be different and follow within their own rankings.

[Allison]

Rights for use a premier and a brush truck? Well, i really appreciate that

No, your physical group rights had nothing to do with the command rights we gave you. Had nothing to do with vehicle rights.

[SugarD]

I absolutely love how people keep putting words into my mouth that were never said. Leroy, correct me if I am wrong, but did I not say repeatedly that you could reapply to EMS? I never once said anything about you and SAFD. I would love to know where my "statement" about this comes from.

As for the explanation of ARFD's medical division and EMS both existing, I will explain this one more time: Both types of medical entities exist in real life, including in the United States. Some places even have both operating in the same areas. (GTA V even has both in its game, for example). Because some users prefer one style of medical roleplay over another, they both exist. Argo has always been a free place for imagination. For that reason, among many others, I would never merge them.

And for the people a page back, no, EMS is not an official group, and that was to answer those who assumed it was. There are two different, overlapping discussions happening here.

...an abandoned ARFD site (luckily i posted some reports on Multimedia section)...

The website/forum is not abandoned. There are several sections you cannot see. It has also been quiet in the public SA:MP division boards lately because the server's situation has produced a lack of applicants.

[Brian]

Since when is argonath Reality > partical use.
If you see that both groups barely have any members, isn't it a smart idea to merge them. Make fire-(para)medics and make sure units can do what they like, but get trained in both sections, that way they can do extended, and fun role-plays, while also learning stuff. Remember no one is forced to do something if they don't want to. SugarD and Allison are leading the group but I don't see them come with practicle solutions, you both say that you have lack of applicants and what not, but I still haven't seen you provide the people here, with the concerns with solutions for the said issues, or atleast ask for any solutions from our side. I keep seeing you guys defend yourselves, but if you see most of the people come with the same issue, doesn't a bell start ringing, there's something wrong and it needs to get fixed. Instead of constantly defending yourselves from things that happened in the past, start thinking about things that can solve the issue, other than just expand the issue.

[SugarD]

Since when is argonath Reality > partical use.
If you see that both groups barely have any members, isn't it a smart idea to merge them. Make fire-(para)medics and make sure units can do what they like, but get trained in both sections, that way they can do extended, and fun role-plays, while also learning stuff. Remember no one is forced to do something if they don't want to. SugarD and Allison are leading the group but I don't see them come with practicle solutions, you both say that you have lack of applicants and what not, but I still haven't seen you provide the people here, with the concerns with solutions for the said issues, or atleast ask for any solutions from our side. I keep seeing you guys defend yourselves, but if you see most of the people come with the same issue, doesn't a bell start ringing, there's something wrong and it needs to get fixed. Instead of constantly defending yourselves from things that happened in the past, start thinking about things that can solve the issue, other than just expand the issue.

I have provided everyone here with a very simple solution. Apply and help out. I really don't see how anyone can expect the issues with a lack of members and activity to be fixed if the people we have go inactive and no one else shows up to replace them. I'm also seeing complaints about inactive commanding members needing to have someone below them act in their positions during their absences...but how is that supposed to happen if no one bothers to join so we can fill those spaces and make it happen in the first place? Since day 1 of its creation, SAFD, (and ARFD as a whole), has received nothing but attacks, trolling, and has been ignored by a majority of the community. Aside from some of the servers' developers and a few dedicated to Fire Duty in general, most of the people in Argo have either **** on the group, or just didn't want to acknowledge it. I have tried for years to resolve this, only to be repeatedly attacked, have my reports be ignored by admins in-game, (which Gandalf even had to step in and handle directly), and have other users straight-up say "no one gives a **** about the FD" to my face on a regular basis. If people here really want to help, they should go on duty, apply, and/or interact with firefighters more...and I don't mean for the money in Fire Missions. I mean for the roleplay. The real problem here is people's attitudes. They only want to complain and not take action. Most of the people replying in this topic I have never even see on Fire Duty before outside of doing Fire Missions for money. A few of them are even among those who have attacked the group in the past. What does that really say about the problems we have? The mentality has not changed. The only time we were "popular" was when people realized Fire Missions were quick cash...and produced even more for SAFD members. I can tell you right now that when trucking came out, we lost a lot of people...both Volunteer Firefighters, and SAFD members.

Also, no. EMS and ARFD have different purposes. I care about users' freedom to choose the roleplay they want. I will never merge a group simply because of player count. The whole idea is for people to enjoy quality roleplays they are interested in...not get a mass quantity of users to make a group look big. This is not a business...it is a gaming community founded on the ideals of everyone having a great time. I don't understand why EMS even keeps being brought into this topic when it has nothing to do with the original post, nor ARFD itself.

[.Matthew.]

What happened with this? I see no improvement.

On the list; SFDS, SAFD and EMS to slap around it seems and get motivated people into the right positions.

[SugarD]

What happened with this? I see no improvement.

What are you not seeing improvement in?