'Changes' that change nothing.

[Tiny]

Still there are no concrete suggestions. You can be abstract and vague about ''being strict'' so nobody can actually counter it, but I interpreted it as ''let's start forcing RP again'' and that's just wrong because it's unargonathian

So the new police system is unargonathian, yet it was implemented.

If you open your mind a little bit you'll understand that the lack of RP is because people on Argonath are given the option to skip scenarios and most of the players do it. If you limit that part, Argonath will become a place with much more roleplay, and no it will not become other RP server.

[Robin#]

I seen a post, someone said that we need to look to the future and to the new players. Well.

SAMP is getting less more popular and losing players.

And every new player that joins is either a hacker or a cheater or a rulebreaker. And if he isn't any of that, he just stays for a while and leaves.

We should try to make the scripts etc... that old players loved. The developers are doing a great job on the development, no doubt, I respect them. But, is it possible that we make the scripts that will bring back old players and groups. If that is not possible, are there any plans to bring back the old players and groups.

From what you wrote, I can understand that this server is made for the old players who knows the server. and may they invite their friends cause the old players got the point of this server, but any new player wanna join, he will not get the point of this server, and thinks that it is a free for all server.

[Robin#]

BTW, why do I give a fuck for this server? it is a light RP server at least.

[Salmonella]

So the new police system is unargonathian, yet it was implemented.

Yes. Since I've been back I've been saying it should be undone and from what I've understood it will be undone.

It is also one of the reasons for the inactivity.

If you open your mind a little bit you'll understand that the lack of RP is because people on Argonath are given the option to skip scenarios and most of the players do it. If you limit that part, Argonath will become a place with much more roleplay, and no it will not become other RP server.

There is no lack of RP.
It will not become another RP server, it will just mean the server's death like Truth said.
There is no way to properly 'limit' that part and it will only create more complications on the 'enforcing' part than it will create a good RP.

Think of it this way, is it gonna be an enjoyable RP if one side doesn't even want to do it? Forcing is never the answer.

[Khm]

SAMP is getting less more popular and losing players.

2K players increased since the exact time of today last week, invalid statement.

And every new player that joins is either a hacker or a cheater

Hosted tab.

or a rulebreaker.

New players not introduced properly.

So the new police system is unargonathian, yet it was implemented.

If you open your mind a little bit you'll understand that the lack of RP is because people on Argonath are given the option to skip scenarios and most of the players do it. If you limit that part, Argonath will become a place with much more roleplay, and no it will not become other RP server.

Old police system is coming back with few additions.
RP quality and even quantity has increased even more than RS4.

Since Teddy got the lead this game is boring... If you know what I mean... If you didn't get the point don't post.

No, just no. Teddy has made a great lead for the scripting team and made a progress that never happened in 2 months.
Just read this.

[Justin39]

Robin, if you don't care, you can always find somewhere else, not like we need you talking more shit.

[Tiny]

Think of it this way, is it gonna be an enjoyable RP if one side doesn't even want to do it? Forcing is never the answer.

Yet we have a rule saying 'do not refuse roleplay'. See how Argonath confuses its members with the rules. You're on a roleplay server anyway, /q if you don't want to RP. Admins say that even...

[Celso]

That's exactly the suggestion, and by getting stricter on RP I don't mean to add OOC/IC, remove /p and all. I'm speaking about rules that will enforce people to roleplay things they usually skip. Similar to the police system changes.

This!

When the new SAPD Changes came into play, it looked like everybody liked it better then the other system, police more organised and committing less mistakes or ''abuses''.
The thing is people within that police department that was working couple months ago, got tired  because it was the same stuff all day, suspect get out of the map escaped, people refusing to role play because ''we are interrupting their trucking operation'' and meanwhile SAPD Officers are only a few they don't get any privileges the amount an officer gets paid is literally less then 1k at the end of the day.

Currently for an officer to make money, there are three ways, Fines, Arresting or killing.. Fines can only go up to 250$ which is low af, arresting is what gives them most money but still rare to happen nowadays and even if they arrest someone, the 500$ go straight to a new body Armour because SAPD officers are not equipped with one  when they get on duty.. and the last one killing, well as a cop killing someone is not even worth the moaning they get afterwards, consistently getting '' Omg i was about to surrender'' or '' fuck you, bcz of you i lost 2k weapons''...

Criminal Families also have a lot to complain there isn't much of a criminal script besides drugs or hitman, and both of those are like not even used regularly because the money you get for trucking is much better, and drug dealing doesn't give that much roleplay anymore, small amounts are hard to get because drugs give you nothing, so we are only seeing big batches being sold which causes people to fixate on farming instead of actually roleplaying.

[Robin#]

Robin, if you don't care, you can always find somewhere else, not like we need you talking more shit.

Well, I do.

[Brian]

This!

When the new SAPD Changes came into play, it looked like everybody liked it better then the other system, police more organised and committing less mistakes or ''abuses''.
The thing is people within that police department that was working couple months ago, got tired  because it was the same stuff all day, suspect get out of the map escaped, people refusing to role play because ''we are interrupting their trucking operation'' and meanwhile SAPD Officers are only a few they don't get any privileges the amount an officer gets paid is literally less then 1k at the end of the day.

Currently for an officer to make money, there are three ways, Fines, Arresting or killing.. Fines can only go up to 250$ which is low af, arresting is what gives them most money but still rare to happen nowadays and even if they arrest someone, the 500$ go straight to a new body Armour because SAPD officers are not equipped with one  when they get on duty.. and the last one killing, well as a cop killing someone is not even worth the moaning they get afterwards, consistently getting '' Omg i was about to surrender'' or '' fuck you, bcz of you i lost 2k weapons''...

Criminal Families also have a lot to complain there isn't much of a criminal script besides drugs or hitman, and both of those are like not even used regularly because the money you get for trucking is much better, and drug dealing doesn't give that much roleplay anymore, small amounts are hard to get because drugs give you nothing, so we are only seeing big batches being sold which causes people to fixate on farming instead of actually roleplaying.

Couldn't agree more with this statement, just wanted to say that.

[Salmonella]

Yet we have a rule saying 'do not refuse roleplay'. See how Argonath confuses its members with the rules. You're on a roleplay server anyway, /q if you don't want to RP. Admins say that even...

It's about how you interpret that ''rule''. I never said I wasn't interested in RP, I said I'm interested in RP without people being forcefed shit if they don't want it.

Bottom line is that there is absolutely no need to get stricter because there's nobody to force it on except for newbies. And that's not what you want, right?

I think Gandalf summed it up pretty nicely in a topic a few months ago. All the practical issues and the hows and whys are in there.

[Rusty]

Since Teddy got the lead this game is boring... If you know what I mean... If you didn't get the point don't post.

Since Teddy took over the SA:MP Development team there has been nothing but solid updates.  If you find it boring do not play, why play a game that you find boring it just questions your logic.

Tiny's point - which is a valid and very important one - is that we need to decide what Argonath is. For the last year(s), the community has lost its identity and it's quite important, like I wrote in the other topic, that players/admins/managers sit down and talk to each other.

Leaders from like Corleone, Gvardia, All PD-subgroups, 18th, Soprano and so on together with veterans, community managers and prominent admins.

If people do not think alike about the main purpose of the community, you really need to get to a point where you all do. That's the importance of the changes, so they are strictly towards the same goal. What is ongoing is that there are split opinions of what that goalis, what changes to be made, how to act and how to contribute.

Do not place people into categories. Work it out like a team.

We'll work something out along these lines, just need to fnd the right date and time to do it.

[TheGreasyChopper]

 So far I've mostly seen two types of people around our Community. Ones who stick around, maybe go on LSRP and check it out for a day, then they return saying how many pairs of testicles that community sucks every day.

 The other type of people go there and hardly ever return.

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with all of you people? Comparing both servers and their roleplay is like comparing an automobile and a motorcycle...What all of you "hurr durr enforce Roleplay" people need to understand is that even if we enforce them, that won't increase the level of Roleplay in the community.

My group has been around for long enough now. In the beginning we hardly did any serious roleplay. All we did is chat in /cb and drive around on our bikes. With time came members who were more serious about their roleplay. Eventually we became a strict RP group. We tried moving to one of the so called Srs RP Servers. But that did not and will never work.

What is the reason these topics keep popping up? Have they removed /l? Have they removed /me? Are you not allowed to choose what car to drive and which people to communicate with?

I bet if some newbie comes to you, pointing a gun at you and just says "give me all money, noob", you'll most likely either ignore him or report him to an admin. But that's his personal level of Roleplay. And it still is roleplay as much as you don't want to admit it.

The simple solution is to invite people to roleplay with you and show them your views and ways of Roleplay. But at the same time, why not engage people with different ways than yours?

I've met people who believe RP is just something they have to do before they start shooting or driving around. But hell, that's fun too if you can just adjust your little stubborn brain to it.

Scripts and people leaving don't have shit to do with Roleplay on Argonath. If you claim there's no RP then just look around. Think of something unique and don't do what hundreds of others have done on other servers and on Argonath.(I'm looking at you hoodrats and hood RPers. Pick up something unique to Argonath!)

[Salmonella]

So far I've mostly seen two types of people around our Community. Ones who stick around, maybe go on other RP server and check it out for a day, then they return saying how many pairs of testicles that community sucks every day.

 The other type of people go there and hardly ever return.

Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with all of you people? Comparing both servers and their roleplay is like comparing an automobile and a motorcycle...What all of you "hurr durr enforce Roleplay" people need to understand is that even if we enforce them, that won't increase the level of Roleplay in the community.

My group has been around for long enough now. In the beginning we hardly did any serious roleplay. All we did is chat in /cb and drive around on our bikes. With time came members who were more serious about their roleplay. Eventually we became a strict RP group. We tried moving to one of the so called Srs RP Servers. But that did not and will never work.

What is the reason these topics keep popping up? Have they removed /l? Have they removed /me? Are you not allowed to choose what car to drive and which people to communicate with?

I bet if some newbie comes to you, pointing a gun at you and just says "give me all money, noob", you'll most likely either ignore him or report him to an admin. But that's his personal level of Roleplay. And it still is roleplay as much as you don't want to admit it.

The simple solution is to invite people to roleplay with you and show them your views and ways of Roleplay. But at the same time, why not engage people with different ways than yours?

I've met people who believe RP is just something they have to do before they start shooting or driving around. But hell, that's fun too if you can just adjust your little stubborn brain to it.

Scripts and people leaving don't have shit to do with Roleplay on Argonath. If you claim there's no RP then just look around. Think of something unique and don't do what hundreds of others have done on other servers and on Argonath.(I'm looking at you hoodrats and hood RPers. Pick up something unique to Argonath!)

Couldn't agree more with this statement, just wanted to say that.

[Huntsman]

I no longer play Argonath due to real life commitments, but I have played here for about four years after all, and I still like hopping in the forums once in a while to see what has changed. Nothing that much, I guess. The drama is still there.

The thing is - why don't you let players decide what the server should be? This meaningless, outdated wall of text that has been disregarded by development team themselves and only thrown into players faces when it's convenient to , called "Argonath Vision", is what has been stopping the server for striving for the better whatsoever. The same old comment that Argonath never really was started as a roleplay server is really getting annoying. Did you know that Nokia never originally started as a cellphone company either? Before it became one of the most successful mobile phone producers, they were just some Finnish rubber manifacturer.

You gotta deal with something here - the player base is changing, hence what players want is changing as well. And the only way the server will survive is if it will adapt to the needs of the playerbase. They wont get what they want - they will leave. Just like they did when they were pissed with RS5.. (pissed with the fact they didn't get their millions back more like, though).

In conclusion - give the players what they want. I see no reason not to.