'Changes' that change nothing.

[Brian]

Can you believe that Gandalf pays 50 euro each month for this host?

I think its kinda sad that it ends like this, and maybe waste of money. I think its end of Argonath?

Argonath is not 'just SAMP RPG'. We have multiple servers spread across our community.
And we have had far worse than just a simple argument. People should stop thinking that arguments or  criticism on things means that the world is going to end. They're good things that they're being discussed, some people get annoyed by them, some people like them.

[Tiny]

You like to go off topic, no? Discuss the main idea here so we can end up somewhere..

[Teddy]

Give us direct examples of rules you are talking about Tiny.

We are not going to remove /p, add OOC/IC. Let that be very clear.

[Marcel]

RP needs to stop being blamed for lack of players.
As Celso nicely wrote, it's the lack of scripts and features that demotivates people.
Every day "it's being worked on", 1 month later it's still the same. How many months are needed for a simple script to return that existed, which is for example a freecop?
How many for a simple armor and a MP5 or shotgun for SAPD officers? What about business entry fees which are simple yet give more profit than whole current business system?

Stop acting so entitled and start appreciating the regular updates that are being pushed out now that the dev team is properly staffed again.

[TheGreasyChopper]

Stop acting so entitled and start appreciating the regular updates that are being pushed out now that the dev team is properly staffed again.

Not to be an asshole or anything, but what exactly are these regular updates? Bug fixes maybe, but half of those bugs happen again after they're fixed.

What happened to all these scripts that were promised to be added with RS5? Where's the group turf system? Where's the working business profit? Why even say you're going to add them when you're not even close to finishing them?

[Tiny]

The main idea I have is the addition of a rule, 'Do not skip roleplay'.

Players have the freedom to even ignore a scenario for no reason, and several 'small' scenarios being skipped daily leads to lack of roleplay environment on the server. I've observed people skipping scenarios even within my group and that's something I dislike way too much.

I'm not proposing this so people who do skip roleplay get punished or something, not skipping roleplay must be a habbit for players, and step by step it will lead to people roleplaying much more.

I am not saying there is no roleplay, there are many people who do roleplay and interact with you, but it's always the same people, and this situation again splits players into groups. I can make a list with groups of people who roleplay and people who do not - the thing is to get the ones who do not roleplay to do it. I'm not a person who likes limiting freedom myself, but in this case I find it the only possible way.

This thing with being patient for changes to take place has been going on for years, but no practical solution has taken place. At least I came up with something that I'm sure will work. We may indeed lose more players due to this, but we will of course gain more when this actual change has taken place inside people - the habbit of roleplaying.

@Teddy

[Tiny]

Well... yes I don't play.

How about you stop posting if you have nothing to say?

[Dennis.]

The main idea I have is the addition of a rule, 'Do not skip roleplay'.

There is already a rule that doesnt allow you to skip it. I'm not sure but admins are warning players to RP and not avoid it.

[TheRock]

Give us direct examples of rules you are talking about Tiny.

We are not going to remove /p, add OOC/IC. Let that be very clear.

Meanwhile there were few(not all) changes made without Devs/HQ asking players for their opinion. Yes you added requested features which I am quite happy about, but some which were necessary were removed without any public poll and I really can't see the reason behind that!

Good old days, we had 2 excuses for everything! First was that the change suggested was not fit to Argonath Vision and the second was 'RP IT'.

To begin with; The reason I joined and that kept me a regular visitor in the first days were because of the freedom to do whatever I want in game, endless fun no strict rp rules enforcement.. For example; If I had the mood to freeroam nobody would force me otherwise and vice versa for roleplaying whatever I wanted. We even had people comitted to roleplaying corrupt cops without abusing their rights because they had the ability to do so.
Secondly, people change! so does servers sometimes. I am aware that we were never a strict-rp server and that we wont be ever because it never was our style, but we have to adapt few things that people ask for.

In my view, few things like /area or freecop duty should have never changed. And in the end, even if players get what they want they will always have something to say. We were asking for saved tuned cars; we go them. We asked for more slots; we got them. We asked for saved weapons; We got them. We have every element possible for a good roleplay script. MTA:VC even survived it's days with just /me basically and few scripts so why can't SA-MP which is even more advanced do so?

To finish, I am certain sure that the problem is not on the scripts but as it's been previously mentioned on posts, we grow up.. our interests change.. I am no longer 13 years old hyped with GTA:SA like I was when I joined.. So why don't you all stop bitching and go in-game perhaps?

[Jeremy.]

RP needs to stop being blamed for lack of players.
As Celso nicely wrote, it's the lack of scripts and features that demotivates people.
Every day "it's being worked on", 1 month later it's still the same. How many months are needed for a simple script to return that existed, which is for example a freecop?
How many for a simple armor and a MP5 or shotgun for SAPD officers? What about business entry fees which are simple yet give more profit than whole current business system?

I agree with Matthew. All my respects for the developing team but this is the truth. So please, don't show up and throw shit onto him. It's all about this, we must face it.

Everything we have heard is we will do this but there's not anything concrete. If you ask them about an ETA they say "unknown". My opinion is that you have to say things very clearly, in a proper order and when these scripts will be launched.

[Devin]

I agree with Matthew. All my respects for the developing team but this is the truth. So please, don't show up and throw shit onto him. It's all about this, we must face it.

Everything we have heard is we will do this but there's not anything concrete. If you ask them about an ETA they say "unknown". My opinion is that you have to say things very clearly, in a proper order and when these scripts will be launched.

If scripters were paid to do this and it was their primary job, sure then deadlines would be set. As the scripting team are doing the work voluntarily on the side while dealing with their own actual jobs and studies, they have no time limits or deadlines.

It makes no sense to put a time-frame on a script either as you never know how long testing and fixing can take.

[Stivi]

Oh we managed to get players when we had no scripts being developed at all, and then actovity dropped, rhen Teddy became a leader and we gained more players. When Teddy posted "My Status" topic activity dropped. Scripts and faction support. AND REMOVING TRUCKING, IT IS NOT RP.

[Dennis.]

Yes, remove trucking asap.

[AlSforza]

I'm not gonna give my opinion in this topic, did that way to many times. But I am gonna suggest something to the developers and management: Get players with experience within the community, have a chat with them, figure out what could be done. I'm sure that would at least cool down the quantity of new threads posted about similar things, and I'm also sure the veterans of this community have something to say that could help.

[CharlieKasper]

The trucking script does nothing but create more hatred within the community. Removing it (as soon as an alternative has been made) would be the best idea.

1. I don't want to bring negativity or hate, but tons and tons of players want the passport and the license removed. So I suggest either remove it or lower the time for it.