Turks shoots down Russian warplane

[Cofiliano]

Read up, I posted the picture.

As for your questions S-400 can track and hit 300 targets in the same second. That includes all types of aircrafts(supersonic, bombarding planes, stealth planes, etc) and all types of missles(cruise muscles, ballistic miscles). And the best part of it, it can destroy it in the same moment those aircrafts enters the range of 400km away from S-400 (Which is the biggest rang of any anti-aircraft system in the world).

[Salmonella]

After the NATO meeting, it was announced by their officials that the pilot was warned two times not twenty times like Turkey announced. It was also confirmed that the plane was hit outside Turkish territories.

Ahhhh, Russian propaganda and its spreaders in their finest moments.

Again there's an interesting absence of sources, Cofliano.

Let's go over some facts. I've tried to look, but it appears there isn't any source mentioning two warnings. Russia still hangs on to the story that the plane was never warned, they even got the surviving pilot to say this in to the media.

''Russia insisted that its jet never crossed into Turkey’s airspace and that Turkey never warned the Russian bomber. However, the United States military confirmed that Turkish pilots warned the Russian pilot 10 times, but that Russia ignored the warnings.''

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/24/world/middleeast/russia-turkey-jet-shoot-down-maps.html

Other than that, just like ''two times'', neither did anyone say anything about ''twenty times''. Turkey has never said this. What's even more entertaining is you saying NATO supposedly announced this. They of course did not.

I did however find that the result and stance of the NATO Allies was solidarity with Turkey in this. The complete opposite of what Cofi's saying.

''The tensions immediately took on Cold War overtones when Russia rejected Turkey’s claim and Ankara responded by asking for an emergency NATO meeting, eliciting more Russian anger and ridicule. After the meeting, the NATO secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, called for “calm and de-escalation” and said the allies “stand in solidarity with Turkey.”''

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/world/europe/turkey-syria-russia-military-plane.html

In conclusion, I think you should re-evaluate your sources.

My personal opinion is that Russia's trespassing of Turkish airspace was severely ill-advised. Last sunday, Turkey actually announced that these kind of measures would be taken against trespassers in their airspace. This hasn't been the first time Russia provoked Turkey by flying into Turkish territory during this whole ISIS ordeal. I refer to the following source where a similar case was reported less than a month ago where Russia actually admitted to flying over Turkish ground. Now that they got punched in the nose they'd never do that sort of thing, though.

The USSR propaganda machine has been working overhours. Cofiliano's posts are a great example of this, but on top of that, earlier today, Russian news agency RIA Novosti reports that Russian deputies have submitted a bill to hold to account anyone who denies the Armenian genocide. This is rather unsubtle dig to Turkey - who deny that the 1915 massacres constitute a genocide. It is believed this lasted until 1917 and led to 1.5 million Armenians killed - a figure Turkey disputes, putting the figure at 300,000 to 600,000.

Bringing this up now is of course no coincidence, and it is my opinion that bringing history like this into politics like these is below the belt. Russia has also urged ordinary citizens to avoid Turkey in general for no apparent reason. On top of that the Russian police did not intervene when protestors literally bombarded the Turkish embassy in Moscow with all sorts of shit. The Russian government paying protestors to protest in their political favor isn't an uncommon sight, but the completely clueless replies of the present Russian protestors here make an extremely nice example of this Russian practice.

It increasingly starts to look to me like this whole ''fighting ISIS'' banner Russia puts everything under is nothing more than a charade. For what exactly I haven't got a clue, but considering their attitude towards Turkey both militarily and politically it looks like there are more motives, otherwise it wouldn't feel the need to place that S400 system there, which strategically serves no purpose against ISIS and even less so against anything Turkish. It's all a symbolic act of aggresion towards Turkey from a government pretending peace is in the best of its interests.

Turkey does not enjoy that some Syrian rebvels are bombed who are fighting Assad.
As for downing the fighter, if it ignored warning even if the warnings were incorrect, it is a pilot error.
However killing the pilot when on a parachute is below ay form of humanity.

QFT

[Cofiliano]

>Russian propaganda
>Uses NY times as a source for his "Cold war" reply.


This is 2015. Get over your hate, and get some proper education, fast.

[brian1996]

Turkey is in the wrong here, this just is some bs against Russia again (same thing as with MH17 when everyone blamed Russia when it simply were some insurgents), the fact that the Americans are again on top of this (the warmongers who started the entire shit in the middle east) is no surprise either. I wouldn't "defend" Turkey's embassy either after what happend.

[MrTony]

Let's have a moment to appreciate courage of the Turkish Government. That was a pretty ballsy move. Countries like Sweden and Finland just whine about Russians invading their air space or waters. Russia's dick poking needed some ass whooping tbh.

[Kostas]

This time the dick poking may have been for the right reason. And considering how many Greek airplanes have flown in Turkish airspace without being harmed, raises the question. Were they simply 'angry" because of the violation?

[MrTony]

This time the dick poking may have been for the right reason. And considering how many Greek airplanes have flown in Turkish airspace without being harmed, raises the question. Were they simply 'angry" because of the violation?

Greek planes don't fly into Turkish airspace lol. Need I remind you that in 1996, when a Turkish fighter entered Greek airspace it was shot down by a Greek jet.

LOL

Mate S-400 is like having 30 snipers on a non climbing building on Argonath, vs 3 unarmed people 20m away in a open area where they can't take any cover, nor run away.

There isn't any type of plane or rockets that can pass S-400. Its the ultimate anti-air weapon.

Spoiler for Hiden:

lel, that's just for show. Russia's bubble burst with that incident and it's time for all to realize that.


>muh unnoticed superpower
>muh sleeping beast
>america uses expensive shit hardware
>russia uses super effective cheap reliable hardware
>russia stronk


>russian jet gets shot down
>putins ego has just been btfo
>mad af, issuing strongly worded statements
>but in reality can't do shit that has any real effect


>"h-hey ruskie comrades... d-dont go to turkey ok, they poop country"


Aaaaand that's just it lol.


They can't even cut the gas to Turkey because STRONK RUSSIA'S economy depends on gas exports. They can't put economic sanctions on Turkey because they have a trade surplus with Turkey. If they cut the gas to Turkey, they'll be hurting themselves more than they are hurting. Nice economy, Russia :')


And if they cut the gas, Turkey will close the Bosphorus to Russian warships severely limiting their capabilities in Syria (They wouldn't even be able to bring in fuel at meaningful quantities)


So yeah, that sleeping giant strong Russia can't even do shit against Turkey, FKING TURKEY. 

[Mikal]

As for your questions S-400 can track and hit 300 targets in the same second.

It carry's 4 missiles, so it can't hit 300 targets because it runs out of ammo after 4...

Read up, I posted the picture.

As for your questions S-400 can track and hit 300 targets in the same second. That includes all types of aircrafts(supersonic, bombarding planes, stealth planes, etc) and all types of missles(cruise muscles, ballistic miscles)

And actually, it can't target stealth aircraft very well...

Once the powerful air and missile defense system is deployed, only the American F-22, F-35 and B-2 stealth aircraft can operate safely inside a zone protected by the weapon for any length of time.

http://atimes.com/2015/11/russias-lethal-s-400-air-defense-system-is-headed-to-syria/

[Cofiliano]

It carry's 4 missiles, so it can't hit 300 targets because it runs out of ammo after 4...

LOL some of those carry more then one missile bro

the S-400 can track 300 targets simultaneously and engage thirty-six of those at any one time.

http://atimes.com/2015/11/russias-lethal-s-400-air-defense-system-is-headed-to-syria/
I re-read it to 300 targets, it can track 300 targets and shot 36 of those. That's only one unit of this system.

And actually, it can't target stealth aircraft very well...

Lol please, Russians broke stealth technology 20 years ago.
Russian and American source:
http://sputniknews.com/military/20150705/1024235797.html
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/28/new-u-s-stealth-jet-can-t-hide-from-russian-radar.html

[Salmonella]

>Russian propaganda
>Uses NY times as a source for his "Cold war" reply.


This is 2015. Get over your hate, and get some proper education, fast.

muh any western news source is faulty maymay

You did not provide any source, even a Russia Today one would've sufficed. Therefore we can only assume you're lying to us.

I don't really hate anything or hold any grudges towards anyone for anything, for you on the other hand it looks like you're still blaming NATO for Srebrenica or something...

[Archie]

Putin asks Turkish Government to apologize, but they think that Putin is the one who has to apologize here, lol. I really wonder what's gonna happen next.

[Archie]

Btw, I believe Turkish Government trusted NATO during this attack. You know, if a non-NATO declares war on a NATO member, it's a war against NATO and Russia is not a member of NATO.

[Archie]

Topic cleaned from provocative posts, let's be respectful when/if posting.

[Huntsman]

I do not exactly see how my post was provocative...? Jesus, it's damn satire. A really catchy one too.

[RizzE.]

Let's hope nothing "bad" happens after this incident. I don't think Russia is the bad apple in all of this. Also i hope to god that America don't even comment on this.