Why can't we achieve greatness?

[saberman]

It sounds like you're saying that people should die for a roleplay to be successful.

I'm pretty sure that isn't what he just said.

[TiMoN]

It sounds like you're saying that people should die for a roleplay to be successful.

He means that roleplay should end up with people not dying, i.e shootouts.

[Salmonella]

>English wasn't all that good
>Born and raised in the UK

It still isn't all that great, Box3r

And I agree, freecop should still be dropped. It's useless and generates a handful of problems.

Playercount drops to 30 on peaks again

2016 is the time to stop this. The way I see it, Teddy will eventually give up on trying to improve the server because of the pathetic playerbase (actually, MOST of the playerbase I can't stereotype).

Playercount drops to 25 on peaks

And another small detail, change the name on SAMP Client to 'Argonath Roleplay'.

rip playercount


In all seriousness though, those analogies for the Argonath vision really don't make much sense, but I didn't even use the term 'Argonath vision' to back up my statements. I'm using common sense and the lessons removing freecops has taught us in the recent past.

As for your 'only pro english ppl ingame pls' statement: As long as someone can communicate, it's fine with me. Do you really wanna get rid of players like Favattinho just because they don't speak English that well? He's one of the most loyal firemen in the game and he plays for fun, not to be in some group whose main focus is to try and bully other groups out of the server.

The people you want gone are the very foundation of Argonath; new players that like the game.

[Mikal]

Removing freecops would again be a strike to a server

What? When did freecops get returned to RS5? Am I missing something?

[Deni1997]

What? When did freecops get returned to RS5? Am I missing something?

The new rank that shows is "ARPD Officer" A.K.A freecop.

[Mikal]

The new rank that shows is "ARPD Officer" A.K.A freecop.

Accept it's not freecop because they are an officer.

I miss the freecop system tbh.

[Kostas]

First of all, it's bloody time we stop talking about who's at fault for the problem that we've been having for years, basically. Anyone can toss shitty blame around.

About new players having to go through a test or something. Simply no. I mean seriously, look at the punishments being given. I am not an administrator, but I mainly see people who have been around for a while getting punished. Sure some newbies do also get punished, but it's up to everyone to lead them to the right path.

We've been past the "admins are to be blamed" period, we've been past the "management is to be blamed" period, we've been past the "scripters are to be blamed" period. Do we need to live through the "players are to be blamed" period? And what's next? We blame firemen? then policemen? then criminals? then who's left? We're all to be blamed god damn it...

[Chuck_Norris]

Hi reader!

For those who do not know me, i am onotroll.
I am a veteran of argonath and would like to propose the sollution towards this question.

Its simple: dont release anything untill it is fully tested. Want a reason why you should do that? Rs5..

Back in the days there were little or few bugs, now since there appears to be new scriptors there are more.

Blame the players? Maybe a look into the mirror can also be helpfull.

I agree, players shouldnt abuse and it should be punished severely. But hey lets be smart for a second, wouldnt be abusing if there wouldnt be bugs now would there?

Also, want to know why you cannot achieve greatness? Stop trying to become the new **-** server and KEEP THE GODDAMN ARGO IDENTITY.. the identity I once joined this server for.


Now i know i wont be taken seriously, but its ok. Said what i wanted to say.

For those who want to discuss with me. Feel free to add me on skype. Send me a pm with your skype and i shall add.

[Ivan_Dzeba]

Also, want to know why you cannot achieve greatness? Stop trying to become the new **-** server and KEEP THE GODDAMN ARGO IDENTITY.. the identity I once joined this server for.

Very important what I just quoted there.

[TiMoN]

Also, want to know why you cannot achieve greatness? Stop trying to become the new **-** server and KEEP THE GODDAMN ARGO IDENTITY.. the identity I once joined this server for.

This. I always wondered when this became a srs RP server? I agree there are people who overdo it by metagaming(you know what I mean), but all of people can be disciplined by implementing logical scripts(Yes, people do need scripts to roleplay). Script abusing for money? Thorough testing is the answer, which is what the current tester team is doing.

Take the kidnappers and the victim situation, you take their radio yet they still bad girl over /cb, can be solved by simple rope command(the logical script) and a /cb restriction on tied up people(the requirement of RP).

Oh and the trucker bug? It was there from the start, I reported it and Gimli replied that he presumably it's fixed, guess he didn't completely fix it.

[[NP]Monte Montague]

Hi reader!

For those who do not know me, i am onotroll.
I am a veteran of argonath and would like to propose the sollution towards this question.

Its simple: dont release anything untill it is fully tested. Want a reason why you should do that? Rs5..

Back in the days there were little or few bugs, now since there appears to be new scriptors there are more.

Blame the players? Maybe a look into the mirror can also be helpfull.

I agree, players shouldnt abuse and it should be punished severely. But hey lets be smart for a second, wouldnt be abusing if there wouldnt be bugs now would there?

Also, want to know why you cannot achieve greatness? Stop trying to become the new **-** server and KEEP THE GODDAMN ARGO IDENTITY.. the identity I once joined this server for.


Now i know i wont be taken seriously, but its ok. Said what i wanted to say.

For those who want to discuss with me. Feel free to add me on skype. Send me a pm with your skype and i shall add.

Strong words.

[Devin]

I never knew pushing people to roleplay is acting like a totally strict roleplay server, but alright.

[Chuck_Norris]

I never knew pushing people to roleplay is acting like a totally strict roleplay server, but alright.

Who said this? Im just talking about the economical system, the need to take an exam before joining policeforces, the lack of state cars cause hey you need to shit money and buy cars.

My bad if this was a little bit unclear formulated.

And do not mistake, im not attacking anything, simply stating my opinion and my view.

On a side note, i have read the following on the forums:

What will RS5.2 hold feature wise? A new business system, a new trucking system, factories, crafting, warehouses, proper logistics system, new drug system, new drug market, new economy system, new stock market, new criminal updates, multi-language support, a new Internet and smartphone system and so much more!

Wow! Thought the whole argonath identity was all about roleplaying, a world of its own?

[Mikal]

Who said this? Im just talking about the economical system, the need to take an exam before joining policeforces, the lack of state cars cause hey you need to shit money and buy cars.

If you ask me the exam is great, I've seen a huge drop in general and pure abuse by cops, can't remember the last time I was /su abused, probably RS4.

[SugarD]

I think that we should be light.

For example, for any bug abuse or any rulebreak, it would go from the lightest punishment to the strictest.

Going alot more strict and banning everyone and all that, you are saying ''we might lose players, but it will be better''

Yes, but you would probably die of boredom or something else, Argonath would lose atleast 50 percent of its playerbase, or if we really go strict and ban everyone and other things, it might be over 50 percent.

You bring up a good point I wanted to touch on:

Our balance in punishments is way off in both directions. We have some administration members (and above) who are extremely hard on punishments, and others who are extremely lenient, (or don't even do their job at all). When a user does eventually get banned, we are often giving many people too many second, third, or fifteenth chances at coming back, and they are not learning their lessons. Likewise, many people are getting banned to begin with who just don't know better, (meaning new players), because they were never told otherwise. The difference between teaching someone and not putting up with their rulebreaking anymore just doesn't exist at this point. Everyone knows that they can get banned and come back after a short sob story in little time. Likewise, many of these new players being banned don't know how to actually get unbanned, (or don't understand/care), and often just disappear from the community forever. (That in itself is a potential loss to our playerbase).

In order to fix this, we need the balance back. Some basic standards regarding some types of situations should be met to at least deter laziness or being overly-strict...and I don't mean "do this when that happens". I mean things along the lines of "if this small situation happens with a new player, try to explain to the player what is wrong first. If they ignore you, then move on to the next level of punishment", etc., so our administrators understand the levels of power they can use and when, and figure it out on their own for each scenario. Our administration teams are not trained to handle every situation, (and I would hope that they wouldn't be, as that would be impossible). However, they do sometimes need guidance. From a community-wide standpoint, most of the past administration learned their jobs from watching the other admins and players interact. Unfortunately with the direction our community has been heading the last few years, all they know is what they see, which causes a repeating cycle of failure.